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[Massadonious1]

If this thread dies, the terrorists win.

[drunken pyromaniac]

I mean, we've ripped the opposing argument to shreds. Why do they persist?

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

I'm not to big of a fan of ash or kaidan. I liked ashley a little bit better because she recited poetry which made her somewhat interesting to talk to, but once she blows you off completely on horizon thats what hammered the last nail to the coffin.



Harsh i know, but thats just how i feel.

[Fl1pmode]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

I'm not to big of a fan of ash or kaidan. I liked ashley a little bit better because she recited poetry which made her somewhat interesting to talk to, but once she blows you off completely on horizon thats what hammered the last nail to the coffin.

Harsh i know, but thats just how i feel.

The follow-up email actually will show that we cooled down after a while. Which is why this made my romance decision for my male Shepard tougher since I still like Ashley but Miranda is oh so enticing.

[drunken pyromaniac]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

I'm not to big of a fan of ash or kaidan. I liked ashley a little bit better because she recited poetry which made her somewhat interesting to talk to, but once she blows you off completely on horizon thats what hammered the last nail to the coffin.

Harsh i know, but thats just how i feel.

Because people don't make mistakes right? We're all just perfect little automatons who never offend or screw over by accident even the people we care about. And her position is totally untenable, how dare she not immediately join up with someone who's working for human supremacists.

How dare she.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

I'm not to big of a fan of ash or kaidan. I liked ashley a little bit better because she recited poetry which made her somewhat interesting to talk to, but once she blows you off completely on horizon thats what hammered the last nail to the coffin.

Harsh i know, but thats just how i feel.

Because people don't make mistakes right? We're all just perfect little automatons who never offend or screw over by accident even the people we care about. And her position is totally untenable, how dare she not immediately join up with someone who's working for human supremacists.

How dare she.

Don't need to get all ansty about it. Just the way i feel about ash and kaidan. And i know they tried to make it up by sending an email but it didn't click for me. Maybe if we end up seeing them again after the suicide mission i might change my mind.

[Beholderess]

Thing is, it is difficult to change the way people feel with an agruements. Feelings and emotions are tricky like that.

[Nivenus]

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

I mean, we've ripped the opposing argument to shreds. Why do they persist?

Mostly, it seems we're getting new posters who didn't read the previous arguments. I don't really feel like repeating myself, though.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

I've read some of them guys. There really isn't a right or wrong answer its just an opinion. And i still haven't changed my mind. But like i said i might make a playthrough which has my shepard stay loyal just to see what happens.

[Beholderess]

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

I'm not to big of a fan of ash or kaidan. I liked ashley a little bit better because she recited poetry which made her somewhat interesting to talk to, but once she blows you off completely on horizon thats what hammered the last nail to the coffin.

Harsh i know, but thats just how i feel.

Because people don't make mistakes right? We're all just perfect little automatons who never offend or screw over by accident even the people we care about. And her position is totally untenable, how dare she not immediately join up with someone who's working for human supremacists.

How dare she.

They are not real people. They are fictional. Fictional people only make mistakes if the writers make them to. And most of the time, espetially in the medium that pays as little attention to details and minutae as computer games, those mistakes are not meant to be accidental, one of a kind occurences. Computer games tend to use broad strokes in characterisation, so each isolated incident can be considered a big  - and meaningful - part of character.

[drunken pyromaniac]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Don't need to get all ansty about it. Just the way i feel about ash and kaidan. And i know they tried to make it up by sending an email but it didn't click for me. Maybe if we end up seeing them again after the suicide mission i might change my mind.

Oh, it's nothing against you. I just think the argument is absolutely absurd.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Don't need to get all ansty about it. Just the way i feel about ash and kaidan. And i know they tried to make it up by sending an email but it didn't click for me. Maybe if we end up seeing them again after the suicide mission i might change my mind.

Oh, it's nothing against you. I just think the argument is absolutely absurd.

 
Like i said its just an opinion. People have different perceptions of different characters. I'd probably end up doing the same thing your doing for...lets say garrus or thane, but then mentally kick myself since i can't force people what they should think.

[Nivenus]

Beholderess wrote...

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

I'm not to big of a fan of ash or kaidan. I liked ashley a little bit better because she recited poetry which made her somewhat interesting to talk to, but once she blows you off completely on horizon thats what hammered the last nail to the coffin.

Harsh i know, but thats just how i feel.

Because people don't make mistakes right? We're all just perfect little automatons who never offend or screw over by accident even the people we care about. And her position is totally untenable, how dare she not immediately join up with someone who's working for human supremacists.

How dare she.

They are not real people. They are fictional. Fictional people only make mistakes if the writers make them to. And most of the time, espetially in the medium that pays as little attention to details and minutae as computer games, those mistakes are not meant to be accidental, one of a kind occurences. Computer games tend to use broad strokes in characterisation, so each isolated incident can be considered a big  - and meaningful - part of character.

I fail to see how fictional characters can't make low-scale mistakes. I honestly don't think her refusal to come with you in ME2 is going to be a huge plot point in the future.

[drunken pyromaniac]

Beholderess wrote...

They are not real people. They are fictional. Fictional people only make mistakes if the writers make them to. And most of the time, espetially in the medium that pays as little attention to details and minutae as computer games, those mistakes are not meant to be accidental, one of a kind occurences. Computer games tend to use broad strokes in characterisation, so each isolated incident can be considered a big  - and meaningful - part of character.

Or it could be because Bioware is trying to make their characters more realistic. Think about it, even the least sympathetic ME squadmate (imo Zaeed) has recognizably human and understandable motivations, much better than some of their older characters. Some of whom seemed to fall under the alignment  of chaotically stupid.

[DrunkenGoon]

I felt the same way... You go around asking everyone where Ashley is.. You finally run into her on Horizon where you try and save her from the Collectors and she treats you like ****.. For two years you have been dead.. How the hell am I supposed to get in contact with her?



When she pulled that **** move I was done.. Like somebody mentioned above this is a game and very complex emotions are all simplified into one or two scenes.. Thats how I felt about the whole situation.. She rubbed me the wrong way and I was done.

[drunken pyromaniac]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Like i said its just an opinion. People have different perceptions of different characters. I'd probably end up doing the same thing your doing for...lets say garrus or thane, but then mentally kick myself since i can't force people what they should think.

I know. You can't expect to deliver a harsh point and then not get callled on it by the character's fans though, surely?

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Like i said its just an opinion. People have different perceptions of different characters. I'd probably end up doing the same thing your doing for...lets say garrus or thane, but then mentally kick myself since i can't force people what they should think.

I know. You can't expect to deliver a harsh point and then not get callled on it by the character's fans though, surely?

Actually, its not that harsh compared to what i seen to other characters, especially garrus believe it or not. Really my only pet peeve with ash is that shes kind of racist. But who knows, maybe she changed her mind after being on shepard's rag tag multi species anti reaper team number one. And then once she sees what you and your team has been through in me2 she might get a different perception. Kaidan? I really don't know to much about him. Hes almost like the same person as ashley isn't he?

[Nivenus]

Bashing a character is going to draw a negative response, whether you intend to or not. Arguing on behalf of that character is not the same thing, at least so long as it doesn't become ham-fisted.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

I wasn't bashing ashley was i? If i was i'm sorry it came out that way.

[Beholderess]

Nivenus wrote...

Beholderess wrote...

drunken pyromaniac wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

I'm not to big of a fan of ash or kaidan. I liked ashley a little bit better because she recited poetry which made her somewhat interesting to talk to, but once she blows you off completely on horizon thats what hammered the last nail to the coffin.

Harsh i know, but thats just how i feel.

Because people don't make mistakes right? We're all just perfect little automatons who never offend or screw over by accident even the people we care about. And her position is totally untenable, how dare she not immediately join up with someone who's working for human supremacists.

How dare she.

They are not real people. They are fictional. Fictional people only make mistakes if the writers make them to. And most of the time, espetially in the medium that pays as little attention to details and minutae as computer games, those mistakes are not meant to be accidental, one of a kind occurences. Computer games tend to use broad strokes in characterisation, so each isolated incident can be considered a big  - and meaningful - part of character.

I fail to see how fictional characters can't make low-scale mistakes. I honestly don't think her refusal to come with you in ME2 is going to be a huge plot point in the future.

Oh? I see plenty of ways of how it might influence the game in the future. For once, it clearly tells that Virmire survivor loyalty is not to Shep, and in situations of conflicted loyalty a fight is possible.

[drunken pyromaniac]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Actually, its not that harsh compared to what i seen to other characters, especially garrus believe it or not. Really my only pet peeve with ash is that shes kind of racist. But who knows, maybe she changed her mind after being on shepard's rag tag multi species anti reaper team number one. And then once she sees what you and your team has been through in me2 she might get a different perception. Kaidan? I really don't know to much about him. Hes almost like the same person as ashley isn't he?

Condemnation as a trator or an idiot is pretty harsh, you know.  And I hate to tell you this but no reasonable person would say Garrus gets more hate then Ash or Tali.
And I could type out paragraphs on how you're wrong about saying she's racist but I'm just goiing to give you this link instead.
http://social.biowar...iscussion/6895/
I come in on page 2.

[Nivenus]

Possible fight for loyalty doesn't mean "big plot point" unless you think each of the loyalty missions was a huge plot point. Yes, they're important to the story, but they're not all story critical.

I think what we may have had is just a misunderstanding of one another's terms.

EDIT:

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

I wasn't bashing ashley was i? If i was i'm sorry it came out that way.

I wasn't talking about you specifically. But people who target Ashley specifically as a character they "hate" and so on and rant about how she's a racist are character bashing, though it comes in degrees. Similarly, anyone who said Tali's just a useless stalker with a crush would be bashing her character. Or anyone who said Jack's just a *****.

Several people in this thread have been bashing Ashley. That's why pyro and I, along with a few others, are acting defensively.

Modifié par Nivenus, 18 mai 2010 - 05:42 .

[drunken pyromaniac]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

I wasn't bashing ashley was i? If i was i'm sorry it came out that way.

No offense taken. I've seen you around, you're normally pretty nice.

[Beholderess]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...
 Kaidan? I really don't know to much about him. Hes almost like the same person as ashley isn't he?

Not really. They will the same function, but the charactes themselves are very different. Much like Samara and Morinth=). I liked Kaidan more in ME1 (his worldviev was more compatible with mine) and Ash more in ME2 (her letter was much, much more promising than Kaidan's)

[drunken pyromaniac]

Nivenus wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

I wasn't bashing ashley was i? If i was i'm sorry it came out that way.

I wasn't talking about you specifically. But people who target Ashley specifically as a character they "hate" and so on and rant about how she's a racist are character bashing, though it comes in degrees. Similarly, anyone who said Tali's just a useless stalker with a crush would be bashing her character. Or anyone who said Jack's just a *****.

Several people in this thread have been bashing Ashley. That's why pyro and I, along with a few others, are acting defensively.

Word.