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[alwt1991]

I've played as a tank and 2-hand warrior.
Then i started a human rogue specced archer.(difficulty:Hard)
I am currently level 8 and have 40 dex,having almost all points in archery tree(including master archery)
However,alistir and morrigan simply out-damaged me,here are the reasons:

1.Even having 100+ attack in Aim mode,miss are oftens seen and the slow attack speed ****** me off.
2.In rapid shot mode,the miss situation is even worse.
3.Most archers' skill like pinning shot,crippling,shattering require like 3 sec to channel and the effect they do isn't very sound,in addition to without dealing extra damage
4.The normal attack damage is even lower than my tank Alister,not to mention he got shield pommel and buff from frost weapon by morrigan.
5.I couldn't find bow that is tier 3 or above in current game.(After redcliff castle)
6.Lelina has more pathetic damage than me but she can picklock and has team buff,she seems to be even more useful to the team.
7.There's no big difference with only alistir and morrigan since both Lelina and I did very low damage.

Discuss

[Dragon Age1103]

archers are NOT designed to be tanks. They are NOT design to deal massive damage. They pin a target for your tank to wale on such as a mage so they can't run away. They also slowly wear away a targets health from behind while a tank aggros. Leliana is a key component to my party especially when fighting a boss or Dragon. So you either are using poor tactics, don't fully understand how to use an archer or are used to games like Oblivion with unrealistic classes. I use Leliana, Morrigan, & Alistair & 4 times is the most ever on Hard that I have had to attempt a fight. You must learn & adapt not repeat mistakes & complain.

[Napoleon1853]

I hope archers are good. I kinda plan to play one sometime. If I don't, I know at least that one companion I plan to make an archer. So archers CAN'T DPS? Wow, I would hope that isn't true. If I play an archer I would like to DPS. Are there a few diff types of archers maybe...like one that pins, stuns, and stuff like that...and one that does DPS?

[Napoleon1853]

Suspage wrote...

It's clear that WoW ruined the mind of RP gamers.

I don't think WoW is the only game where archers can DPS.

[Taiko Roshi]

They play more like GW archers, ie: they are fine. You are a conditioner not a spiker

[alwt1991]

i say LOL that people think that archers are not supposed to DPS

Then who to be?THE TANK?

LMAO

[alwt1991]

Suspage wrote...

Archers are a debuff/support with average damage output.

And archers can do allot of damage if you use correct placement on the battlefield and tactics.

The archers in current game are not even doing AVERAGE DAMAGE OUTPUT.
I know how to play this game,no one ever touches my archer but he's having lower damage than the tank alistair.

[Staalkbh]

I actually like my Ranger alot, dont know what you are talking about, of course I dont know if its different with misses from normal to hard.

[BackwardCompatibility]

I'm a bit disapointed about the achery skills myself seeing how often I am forced to switch to close combat weapons, but it surprises me a bit that your archer actually misses more often than your fighters, since an archer should have an even better hit rate than your melee fighter (considering you don't have to put as many points in constitution). In my archer build, I made sure to only put points in dex and a bit of con after standing at 16 str. I'm doing well, although I'm not playing on hard difficulty. 

Modifié par BackwardCompatibility, 09 novembre 2009 - 10:21 .

[Marhkus]

I like Rangers/ Bow users but I did always see them as backups... I mean, he/she's there to stun, slow, slowly eat the targets HP while i'm the one wailing on the beasty face to face!



I guess that if I were to play a ranger type character, I would want him to be main dps perhaps but I understand completely why this isn't possible just by using your bow...It's an RPG. If I can't kill a guy in one shot with my 2 handed-sword, why could you with a bow. The balance of the game would be F'ed up. Just keep your distance and do as much damage as the frontline tank that also takes damage, Ranger/ Bow would be over power. No..!?

[Tanolus]

just try to FIND normal arrows in this game there are NONE.The fire and ice arrows costs more a king's ransom. 40 fire or ice arrows will cost the party more than half the accumulated gold coming out out of the broken circle after completeting Lothering. Archery in this game is a totaly design flaw that is only to be used by the enemy. Bio Ware has made archery for players or the support NPC's so unbelievably expensive and rare no arrow drops from archers that shoot you, to be insanely bad.

[MrGOH]

You don't need to equip normal arrows - you have an unlimited number.

But there are normal arrows in the game; I found 2 in my inventory sometime during the korcari wilds quest. No idea how they got there or what purpose they serve.

[apoc_reg]

My problem is I have Lelina and set her up with a bow etc but all she seems to do is put it away and get her swords out!

[Staalkbh]

Oh which reminds me, I believe a dev talked about adding lower miss rate on ranged, dont quote me on that though, but I am positive I read it somewhere on the forums from a dev.

[MrGOH]

Georg Zoller ( a dev) has made or is making an unofficial mod that changes archery so it's more powerful.



No way in hell I'd download it because it makes enemy archers more powerful too and they already are a big pain in the butt.

[Krynis]

Taiko Roshi wrote...

They play more like GW archers, ie: they are fine. You are a conditioner not a spiker

Obviously you never played as a Ranger spike team.

[Jacobite McArdle]

I find archers extremely invaluable.

Infact.

I find just putting any sort of long ranged wepon on all of my chars (if possible) extremely invaluable.

Not only do you do a fair amount of damage while the enemy are carelessly running into your fiendish traps but they are so much better than tanking and spanking a high dragon early game.

social.bioware.com/da_game_screenshots/81000/80043/Screenshot20091107200026489.jpg

(as this lovely screen shows what a high dragon does to you).

Modifié par Jacobite McArdle, 09 novembre 2009 - 10:33 .

[Youmu]

apoc_reg wrote...

My problem is I have Lelina and set her up with a bow etc but all she seems to do is put it away and get her swords out!

Check your tactics screen, make sure it's set on ranged, not melee.

Speaking of Leliana, is there any way to make her use Scattershot via tactics? The automatic "Archer" setting for her uses all tactics slots for bard stuff, and there's no way to make her use any abilities with clustered enemies. For every other party member there's "Enemy -> Clustered with atleast X allies", and option to make them use an ability, but not for Leliana for odd some reason.

Krynis wrote...
Obviously you never played as a Ranger spike team.

Or Barragers in PvE 

Modifié par Youmu, 09 novembre 2009 - 10:38 .

[Contrapositiv3]

To all who are ****ing about it, advance far enough in the game and then talk. Early in the game, I agree, Archers do suck. I wiped many times when I had Leliana in my party early on, so I got rid of her. But then I started to like her character and well, I let her back in my party around level 16. The woman is a friggin' beast, and has saved my Rogue's ass on more than one occasion. The dps she puts out isn't that great but the burst damage is insane. One normal arrow shot takes out a 1/3 of the opponent's health. Keep in mind, I have her equipped with Marjolaine's bow (I won't explain how I got it, that'd be a major spoiler). Its a longbow that deals ridiculous damage. I never use the special arrows, they are completely un-needed unless I fight a dragon or another orange boss. I keep ice arrows and flame arrows in my pack just in case, but I don't use them until I fight an orange-name boss. She is completely specced for Archery and she is also specialized as a Ranger, and the pets are insanely helpful. Just give it some time, and make sure you buy the Ranger tome from the party camp merchant.

[alwt1991]

Contrapositiv3 wrote...

To all who are ****ing about it, advance far enough in the game and then talk. Early in the game, I agree, Archers do suck. I wiped many times when I had Leliana in my party early on, so I got rid of her. But then I started to like her character and well, I let her back in my party around level 16. The woman is a friggin' beast, and has saved my Rogue's ass on more than one occasion. The dps she puts out isn't that great but the burst damage is insane. One normal arrow shot takes out a 1/3 of the opponent's health. Keep in mind, I have her equipped with Marjolaine's bow (I won't explain how I got it, that'd be a major spoiler). Its a longbow that deals ridiculous damage. I never use the special arrows, they are completely un-needed unless I fight a dragon or another orange boss. I keep ice arrows and flame arrows in my pack just in case, but I don't use them until I fight an orange-name boss. She is completely specced for Archery and she is also specialized as a Ranger, and the pets are insanely helpful. Just give it some time, and make sure you buy the Ranger tome from the party camp merchant.

It's suck if archers are only useful until like 15 level because u've played most of the game.

[soteria]

Suspage wrote...

It's clear that WoW ruined the mind of RP gamers.

Obviously never played BG 1 or 2.  Archers did very respectable damage in those games, with very little in the way of debuffs or other support abilities.

[Delikar]

<===Level 16 not even 30% completion. As for archers...simple tactics make them super useful. In a high amount of situations archers can simply 1 pull mobs, without linking a whole **** ton with them. This makes those huge 15 man fights a cinch. They wont pull the same damage as say a mage, but the main benefit is no mana pool.