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[FlintlockJazz]

apoc_reg wrote...

My problem is I have Lelina and set her up with a bow etc but all she seems to do is put it away and get her swords out!

I have the exact same problem!   After checking the AI combat tactics though I think it's because the Archer default has the first slot with Use Dirty Fighting if someone is meleeing her, so the moment anyone gets close she automatically pulls out her swords.  Will have to try changing it to something else, though I'm reluctant to leave her with nothing to defend herself in melee...

[Ace Attorney]

People always forget Archery is a support tree before a damage tree.

They also don't count a Ranger's Pet damage & utility.



Think before you post TC.

[Vaeliorin]

My main character is a rogue (bard) archer and I do the most damage of my entire party (close to 40%), and I'm using Alistair (~30%), Wynne (9%), and Morrigan (~20%). I'm playing on hard, and there have been a grand total of 2 fights so far that I've had to reload more than once.



Honestly, archery seems pretty awesome to me. Granted, I'm sporting a tier 7 longbow (Falon'din's something or other, I don't recall the exact name) but even before that, I had a pretty decent bow that I bought at Warden's Keep.



As far as I'm concerned, if it wasn't for the healing, mages would be kind of useless (the crowd control is pretty nice when there's a massive number of enemies, I guess.)

[ComTrav]

Is Aim or Rapid Shot better for straight damage?



(Yes, I know everyone says that archers are more supportive, but sometimes you just want things to die.)

[VxChemical]

I play this game as an RPG, i'm not really focused on numbers, i keep the characters around me that i enjoy the company of, i havent gotten that far yet ofcourse, but still. Maybe its because back in the good ol d&d days it didnt really matter who dealt out the most damage, it was sharing the quest and expiriencing the stories that was key.

[JandauX]

I understand when people are saying it doesn't matter and that people should focus on roleplaying and the story. However, there are large parts of the game where you're supposed to fight wave after wave of enemies. Combat plays an important role in the game so it shouldn't be too much to ask to have it somewhat balanced. Saying people are too focused on numbers and such would only be a valid argument if combat didn't play a major role or could be avoided. It does play a major role and it can't be avoided. Hence, people want their characters to be able to pull their own weight.



Ranged combat is currently crap. Saying it plays a different role is just silly. It has some crowd control and debuffs, but so does every other combat style in the game, while putting out far greater numbers. In a combat situation bows and crossbows don't measure up to any other option.



Want more? Here's a recent DEVELOPER POST regarding this very issue, detailing what is currently wrong with ranged combat and what fixes are being implemented:

http://daforums.biow...forum=135&sp=15

[Vasharai]

Archer PC, "Sweet! Archer weapon!"

Alistair says, "It has defense on it!"

Archer PC relies, "That's my DPS stat!"



Anyone who's played WoW will know what I'm talking about.

[Spaceweed10]

apoc_reg wrote...

My problem is I have Lelina and set her up with a bow etc but all she seems to do is put it away and get her swords out!

Behaviour = Ranged.

I'm surprised half of you on this site even managed to get the disc out of the box...Steam maybe?

[Dragon Age1103]

once again if u need to cry just stop playing the game, don't cry on here b/c you're terrible at it. just don't play, problem solved!!!!

[Niksis]

Spaceweed10 wrote...

apoc_reg wrote...

My problem is I have Lelina and set her up with a bow etc but all she seems to do is put it away and get her swords out!

Behaviour = Ranged.

I'm surprised half of you on this site even managed to get the disc out of the box...Steam maybe?

Rofl, so true.

This debate is funny as hell, people crying about their archer sucking ass. lol. I've tried both Warrior Archer and Rogue Archer, both could stand their own ground at any level. I play on Nightmare and I had a Dwarven Warrior Archer standing his own in the Provings in the Origins without healing pots, again later (SPOILER) when i came back to the dwarven city, I could do both the 2on1 battles with my X-bow only, no healing pots.

Its about how you build your guy/girl, your equipment and how you actually play it, trying to tank as an archer will get you nowhere. you have to take advantage of your ranged attacks, use stuns/dirty Fighting and run away.

tactics is key.

[Madlax27]

Something tells me you guys have never used the highest abilities of the Archer trees.



Arrow of slaying: Highest damage dealt = 822.



http://social.biowar...&game=dragonage



I dare anyone try to top that damage.



Scattering shot is also very powerful, anyone that has played near the end of the game when the enemy archers are using it against you has felt the pain of it.



I had a Tier 7 bow around level 13 or 14 I think, and replaced it with slightly superior stat teir 7 bows a couple of times by the end. If you are stuck with a Tier 3 I recommend trying to scour vendors for better ones.



True, archery is support until you hit the 4th rank abilities. But when you do, Arrow of Slaying is a sure-kill one shot on normal mobs, with many elite mobs (mages mostly) dying from one shot as well. This was on Hard difficulty.



It is important to pump up only dex as much as possible for archer DPS. This also gives you tremendously high +Attack and Damage (because Dex effects bow damage as well). Ignore strength and wear Light armor instead. The link I posted above gives you a good idea of what your stats should look like by completion as an archer rogue.

[alwt1991]

according to ur stats,u just proved that archer suck at DPS

29% contribution and 76% hit rate

THAT"S LMAO



But,thank you for ur comment though

[Madlax27]

alwt1991 wrote...

according to ur stats,u just proved that archer suck at DPS
29% contribution and 76% hit rate
THAT"S LMAO

But,thank you for ur comment though

29% contribution with 4 party members including Shale (DPS), Ohgram (DPS), and Morrigan (DPS).  I would say doing more than 25% on this full dps group setup is quite nice.

Top 822 damage, that is all I ask, when you do that you can laugh

[alwt1991]

the fact that ur own PC has the opportunity to deal damage for the whole game,which is a privilege that none of the other characters have.In this cause,it's crappy dps if u can't get like 35% + .

Also,even my tank alistair can do 82%+ hit rate,that's another point archer being suck due to low accuracy.

(Archer with low accuracy??Can u call it archer?)

[Ace Attorney]

Madlax27 wrote...

Something tells me you guys have never used the highest abilities of the Archer trees.

Arrow of slaying: Highest damage dealt = 822.

http://social.biowar...&game=dragonage

I dare anyone try to top that damage.

Scattering shot is also very powerful, anyone that has played near the end of the game when the enemy archers are using it against you has felt the pain of it.

I had a Tier 7 bow around level 13 or 14 I think, and replaced it with slightly superior stat teir 7 bows a couple of times by the end. If you are stuck with a Tier 3 I recommend trying to scour vendors for better ones.

True, archery is support until you hit the 4th rank abilities. But when you do, Arrow of Slaying is a sure-kill one shot on normal mobs, with many elite mobs (mages mostly) dying from one shot as well. This was on Hard difficulty.

It is important to pump up only dex as much as possible for archer DPS. This also gives you tremendously high +Attack and Damage (because Dex effects bow damage as well). Ignore strength and wear Light armor instead. The link I posted above gives you a good idea of what your stats should look like by completion as an archer rogue.

You didn't spec in any subclasses? o.O

[MeSoFatSo]

alwt1991



I hope your realize that bow damage isn't just DEX, could be part of the damage issue your having.



"Each point of Strength above 10 adds +0.5 Damage Bonus with Daggers. Longbows and Shortbows."

http://dragonage.gul...ibutes/strength

[mian52]

It's pretty easy to get some good bows early on. There are several that can be found on one of the "major" quest places. Attainable at the same time as Redcliffe.



My major concern is the Archery Warrior. There's no ranger pets to help out. In fact there aren't really any good specilizations for an Archery Warrior (Berzerker requires a melee weapon, despite not saying that anywhere).



As for the whole DPS issue, yes bow DPS isn't that hot. You are not bad at CC (Shattering Shot is one of the biggest AoE stuns in the game as far as I know) and you can gank mobs pretty quick (Arrow of Slaying). But the poor debuffs do not make up for it.



My main concerns about archery are these two.



1. It blows at the start, it's pretty much useless until you get Shattershot and Arrow of Slaying (both fo wich are VERY good). I honestly find the debuffs to be fairly useless unless your fighting a boss, they aren't helpful fighting the big waves of white mobs.



2. Solo, with archery. Let's just say at one point in the game, I don't think it would have been possible for me to beat if I wasn't level 13+ when I got there.

[Aryma]

Suspage wrote...

alwt1991 wrote...

i say LOL that people think that archers are not supposed to DPS
Then who to be?THE TANK?
LMAO

You are one of those guys that thinks there are:

Tanks
DD
Healers

Think again noob. Or just go play some mindless grinding rpg.

Go play BG before you make yourself look stupid again..

Where do these idiots come from? I can only imagine what their parents must be like.

[Polluxor]

Of course archers sucks, they don't even have strings on their bows...

[Madlax27]

alwt1991 wrote...

the fact that ur own PC has the
opportunity to deal damage for the whole game,which is a privilege that
none of the other characters have.In this cause,it's crappy dps if u
can't get like 35% + .
Also,even my tank alistair can do 82%+ hit rate,that's another point archer being suck due to low accuracy.
(Archer with low accuracy??Can u call it archer?)

Oh, have you even recieved your 250 damage in one hit achievement yet?

Considering that your profile has absolutely no uploads or achievements on it (which the game does automatically by default) I am doubting that you even legitimately own this game.

Either you are a troll who doesn't own the game yet or you pirated it most likely.  Either way I think your thread is fail because of it.

And on the STR for 0.5 damage posted above,  Why would you want to when dex does the same and also gives you +Attack/Defense?  I suppose you could if you wanted to wear heavy armor (with the proper talent) but I never felt the need to wear heavy armor.

Dexterity gives you +Damage for bows as well as +Attack/Defense while strength just gives you +Damage.  Should be a no brainer.

Let's actually look at this thread topic title seriously though.   "Being an archer is simply pointless in current game" :  Maybe you are looking at archers wrong?   What good is a lot of DPS on Normal monsters (whites) when it takes a single yellow to wipe your entire party on Hard/Nightmare?  

I believe the archer isn't designed for constantly high damage, even though the damage is still there.  The fact that you can snipe any monster while in stealth (negating the channeling time of Arrow of Slaying because you stay stealthed until the arrow flies), especially dangerous spellcasters, before starting the combat is reason enough to have an archer.    

On top of this, many times if you kill a monster in a single shot it doesn't aggro the entire room.  Sometimes you will get only one or two monsters charging you.


There, regardless of your DPS argument, I have presented an argument on how to use an archer without considering DPS.  

I still say hands down Arrow of Slaying is the highest damage ability in the game. 

[Ace Attorney]

T3hAnubis wrote...

Madlax27 wrote...

Something tells me you guys have never used the highest abilities of the Archer trees.

Arrow of slaying: Highest damage dealt = 822.

http://social.biowar...&game=dragonage

I dare anyone try to top that damage.

Scattering shot is also very powerful, anyone that has played near the end of the game when the enemy archers are using it against you has felt the pain of it.

I had a Tier 7 bow around level 13 or 14 I think, and replaced it with slightly superior stat teir 7 bows a couple of times by the end. If you are stuck with a Tier 3 I recommend trying to scour vendors for better ones.

True, archery is support until you hit the 4th rank abilities. But when you do, Arrow of Slaying is a sure-kill one shot on normal mobs, with many elite mobs (mages mostly) dying from one shot as well. This was on Hard difficulty.

It is important to pump up only dex as much as possible for archer DPS. This also gives you tremendously high +Attack and Damage (because Dex effects bow damage as well). Ignore strength and wear Light armor instead. The link I posted above gives you a good idea of what your stats should look like by completion as an archer rogue.

You didn't spec in any subclasses? o.O

 Madlax27, care to adress my question? 

Modifié par T3hAnubis, 09 novembre 2009 - 01:13 .

[levigarrett]

I love my archer.



I let my party sit back while i pull. Half of the time i kill a few mobs before they get back to the camp



the only suck aspect is that no specialization is even half decent for him =/

[Madlax27]

Ranger/Duelist were my two specs.  Ranger for the buff extra party member Great Bear and Duelist for Dueling mode, which affected archery and proved to be superior to Aim because there was no loss to attack speed.

I suppose if I wanted to maximize damage I could have gone Assassin/Duelist for the Dueling mode and Mark of Death, but I couldn't pass up Great Bear .

[simpatikool]

My experience with Archery so far is on the receiving end of scattering shot. (Lvl 14 now) All I can say is a couple of bandit archers with this ability puts me in a world of hurt sometimes. So much so that I put Leliana back in my party to see if I can do something similiar.



For those of you that are liking the Acher skills, what do you think works better? Warrior or Rogue Archers? I am inclined to try the Archer/Ranger in this game. Just don't know for sure.

[jayheld90]

yep, arrow of slaying is a beast. had leliana doing hundreds of damage with one shot, my first play through.

Modifié par jayheld90, 09 novembre 2009 - 01:18 .