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[Valdan777]

[cruc1al]

Widow, because you get to one-shot folks without AR, and because revenant is pretty much on par with vindicator in terms of damage, even though they serve a bit different roles.

Modifié par cruc1al, 13 mai 2010 - 10:36 .

[xiiz]

Revenant, because it tears people up like nothing else in mid/close range, and the Viper is brutal at long range/for taking out big targets. Combine it all with Hardened Adrenaline Rush and you got some crazy DPS and survivability.

[SmokeyNinjas]

Revenant because slowmo Widow reloads are sick<_<

[Spartas Husky]

Widow, has extremely high damage, and in higher difficulties unless your an infiltrator the few moments you get to pop a shot before shields go down you need to have an edge, so for any other class besides infiltrator or soldier, the widow is a risk/gamble. Doesn't mean is not worth it, but I I found it more difficult to use in insane if I wasn't infiltrator or soldier.



Mostly I use revenant due that in the end, it has extremely high capacity, high damage, great rate of fire, and when you get all the upgrades, the accuracy is very manageable if you fire in control pairs.

[swk3000]

Widow. I don't care how powerful a weapon is if it can't hit the broad side of the proverbial barn. Accuracy is far more important than Power any day of the week.

[Spartas Husky]

swk3000 wrote...

Widow. I don't care how powerful a weapon is if it can't hit the broad side of the proverbial barn. Accuracy is far more important than Power any day of the week.

True, true and true.

But by the end of the game, the Revenant's accuracy is quite good.....problem is and is true, through 80% of the time you get the revenant its accuracy is very difficult to manage.

[McBeath]

Spartas Husky wrote...

swk3000 wrote...

Widow. I don't care how powerful a weapon is if it can't hit the broad side of the proverbial barn. Accuracy is far more important than Power any day of the week.

True, true and true.

But by the end of the game, the Revenant's accuracy is quite good.....problem is and is true, through 80% of the time you get the revenant its accuracy is very difficult to manage.

I disagree... the trick is to just burst fire it.  Full auto is nice, though very situational, like when krogan closes one you.  Any other time just burst fire it once or twice and your good to go.  I've never really had issues with it's accuracy except at long range, at which point you should be using a sniper rifle like the viper.

[xiiz]

When you use Adrenaline Rush you can still do full auto and practically never miss.. And when AR is down, burst.

[enormousmoonboots]

Revenant (I've actually figured out an order to do missions so I immediately unlock the accuracy upgrade upon getting it). I admit, I just don't have the patience for a sniper rifle like the Widow. I tried taking it once and either wasted most shots by missing or not getting headshots. I'm not a very good aim on the Xbox.



And I'll take more ammo over power most days, keeping track of heatsinks can be a pain. I prefer the Viper to the Mantis, too.

[JaegerBane]

McBeath wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

swk3000 wrote...

Widow. I don't care how powerful a weapon is if it can't hit the broad side of the proverbial barn. Accuracy is far more important than Power any day of the week.

True, true and true.

But by the end of the game, the Revenant's accuracy is quite good.....problem is and is true, through 80% of the time you get the revenant its accuracy is very difficult to manage.

I disagree... the trick is to just burst fire it.  Full auto is nice, though very situational, like when krogan closes one you.  Any other time just burst fire it once or twice and your good to go.  I've never really had issues with it's accuracy except at long range, at which point you should be using a sniper rifle like the viper.

QFT. I've never understood why people use the lack of accuracy at long range as the main reason they prefer the Rev over the Widow. Particularly on a soldier, where you get to make a whole one widow shot before AR wears off.

It's a machine gun. It's purpose is that it's effective at varying ranges but with an accent on short range. It's a hell of a lot more versatile than the Widow, that's for sure. The Widow is basically a boosted Mantis - The rev is essentially the Scimitar, the Carnifex and the Avenger rolled into a single gun that has more ammo than all of them. What's not to like?

[JaegerBane]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Revenant (I've actually figured out an order to do missions so I immediately unlock the accuracy upgrade upon getting it). I admit, I just don't have the patience for a sniper rifle like the Widow. I tried taking it once and either wasted most shots by missing or not getting headshots. I'm not a very good aim on the Xbox.

And I'll take more ammo over power most days, keeping track of heatsinks can be a pain. I prefer the Viper to the Mantis, too.

I prefer the Viper and the Rev, but it's not even a patience issue for me. I just prefer flexible weapons. A missed shot with the Viper is a 0.2 second long annoyance. A missed shot with the Widow is a minor catastrophe.

[2pac Shakur]

pffft, why not just take both?



(80% of you should know how to do this)

[JaegerBane]

2pac Shakur wrote...

pffft, why not just take both?

(80% of you should know how to do this)

My Adept is already toting a Scimitar, a Tempest, a Revenant and Viper with both Warp Ammo and Barrier. There's only so much cheese my computer can take before it implodes into edam overload

[OniGanon]

JaegerBane wrote...
A missed shot with the Widow is a minor catastrophe.

There's nothing minor about it!


But seriously, you choose the Widow because you think it's fun to oneshot mooks from long range and threeshot Scions. You choose the Revenant because you think it's fun to run up close to people and hold down the trigger until everything near you is dead. That's really all there is to it.

[MarshalMeLee]

I love the Widow. But I save it for my Infiltrator.



The Revenant is the defining Soldier weapon. It is short-medium ranged, very powerful, makes a lot of noise, and makes me want to yell like Picard blasting away in First Contact.



And if you run out of ammo with the Revenant, you are a very strange person.

[Alamar2078]

OniGanon wrote...

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But seriously, you choose the Widow because you think it's fun to oneshot mooks from long range and threeshot Scions. You choose the Revenant because you think it's fun to run up close to people and hold down the trigger until everything near you is dead. That's really all there is to it.

THIS.

Note:  As a soldier I like [stupidly?] to run up as close as I dare / cover allows and shoot from there.  The Revvy is hard to beat.

BTW:  The Revvy doesn't start to shine until AFTER the assault rifle accuracy upgrade!!

[Urazz]

swk3000 wrote...

Widow. I don't care how powerful a weapon is if it can't hit the broad side of the proverbial barn. Accuracy is far more important than Power any day of the week.

The Revenant is best for short range and does well in mid range when you have the assault rifle accuracy upgrade and burst fire it.  Any further than that and you'll want to use a sniper rifle anyways.

[swk3000]

Well, I have no HUD saying 'Mid-Range', 'Long Range', etc., so I have to make educated guesses. The distance that I believe to be long range wastes roughly an entire 80 shots to kill a single Collector. In contrast, with the Vindicator, a couple of bursts does the same job. So unless you have some magic tool that tells you what range an enemy is at that can be used on the 360, I'm going to stick with the Vindicator and take the Widow.

[Athenau]

Well, I have no HUD saying 'Mid-Range', 'Long Range', etc., so I have to make educated guesses. The distance that I believe to be long range wastes roughly an entire 80 shots to kill a single Collector.

You have a sniper rifle for a reason.

[Thompson family]

The Revenant has a bad reputation for accuracy because the temptation to keep blazing away is enormous. The Vindicator forces its short bursts. The Revenant can fire more short bursts because it carries more ammo — if you control it.


This really boils down to a personal preference question, anyway. Use the one you like best. if you want to use a Revenant, though, practice tapping the fire button. Blaze away when the range is shorter.

And don't forget your heavy pistol if you want to hit the top of someone's head as it sticks over a crate.

Modifié par Thompson family, 13 mai 2010 - 09:23 .

[OniGanon]

For me...



Short range: the home of shotguns.

Short-Mid: the comfortable range of SMGs and ARs, where most of their bullets will hit when fired full-auto. Shotguns can be used at this distance, if need be.

Mid-Long: Shotguns are no good here. SMG and AR needs to fire in short burst to hit anything worth a damn. Comfortable range of SRs, Pistols, Locust, Vindicator and Collector Assault Rifle.

Long: Only SRs, Pistols, Locust, Vindicator and CAR have a serious chance of hitting, and only SR does it comfortably.

[Thompson family]

This is also a tactical question: Do you want to do all the killing yourself or do you use yours squad?



If you want to do all the killing yourself, use the one-shot, one kill Widow.



I like to strip the barriers/shields/amour off of an enemy and use squadmate biotic powers on them, particularly if a pull/warp combo, for instance, will damage or knock over nearby shielded enemies.

[Doriath]

The revenant is a perfectly fine assault rifle.

Accuracy isn't a legitimate gripe, every time your in AD the recoil becomes a non-issue. Targets outside it's effective range should be handled with your viper. If you can't discern what is in or what is outside the effective range of the weapon, than play it safe and change to your viper. You have to actually move a little bit and get into positions closer to the enemy with that weapon.

The choice comes down to how you want to play and what your most comfortable in. But make no mistake, no choice is bad.

Sitting back and playing a battle of attrition in every firefight you're in as a soldier isn't the only way to play on insanity....

Modifié par chrisnabal, 13 mai 2010 - 09:35 .

[Thompson family]

chrisnabal wrote...

Sitting back and playing a battle of attrition in every firefight you're in as a soldier isn't the only way to play on insanity....

That's very true. More than a few times in Insanity I go: "OMG, I'm hurt and about to die" -- and get closer so my Revenant chews the enemy up. Great for creating a hole in a bunch of husks where there was none.