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[Onyx Jaguar]

Confirmed



Grunt is the returning Favorite for Mass Effect 2: Dark Space



Zaeed will assist you in matters of galactic affairs.

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Actually, it's called ME:2 - The Clone Wars. Features a full four hours of extended trial for Tali!

[Rive Caedo]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Confirmed

Grunt is the returning Favorite for Mass Effect 2: Dark Space

Bwahaha. +3 cleverness points.

And, just because it was at the very bottom of the last page and took me a good 5-10 minutes to photoshop together:

Modifié par Rive Caedo, 15 mai 2010 - 05:38 .

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

TJSolo wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

To some extent you could equate 'Overlord' to being ME2s version of UNC Geth Incursions but with a bit more story to it than just going to random planets and blowing up Geth. The only real bit of story in that came when speaking to Tali about the Geth data and choosing whether to give it her or not..

...and in all the 5 Overlord pics and single paragraph description leads you the believe there will be more story or dialogue?

Well we can guess Overlord will have some kind of dialogue to introduce himself and some kind of dying line at the end but how much interaction will that elicit from the crew? You can assume as much as you like but there are no grounds for this to mission chain to be any more involved then current ME2 missions.

So many people riled and hyped up over this DLC that is completely random and unknown. An A.I going amuck taking over other machines, familar.

You think that is all that we know about it?

To answer your question, no the 5 pics and single paragraph didn't lead me to that assumption. Reading some previews about the DLC did.

Gamespot's impressions of the DLC - **POTENTIAL SPOILERS ABOUND**

with Mass Effect 2's signature not-so-straightforward moral choices
factoring in as the nature of the supposed rogue AI is revealed.

Now in my original comment I never said squad interaction, merely that the only 'story' element was when speaking to Tali in the aftermath. Granted we were just up against Geth in UNC: Geth Incursions, but due to the nature of that mission is is the fairly obvious one to compare it to.

So if this is correct to answer some other comments made, it sounds like no new weapons or gear in it.

[Cael]

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Cael wrote...

BOYCOT Overlord - until they get the Liara DLC out.  Tell them to focus on content which continues the story, not some wanabe eye candy which means nothing for the real plot.

You missed the "UNTIL" part me thinks ...

Yes, boycott Overlord so they stop making mission DLC altogether, and the Liara/Shadow Broker DLC never sees the light of day.

There's still 2 years left until the release of Mass Effect 3. The earlier they release the Liara DLC, the less important she's going to be in the next game.

Of course, that's not to mention a Liara/Shadow Broker DLC is the equivalent of another character loyalty mission, so it's not really story-driven at all. Story-driven would be connecting Shepard to the Reapers, or convincing the Council or the Alliance of the Reapers.

Squadmates and love interests are irrelevant to the main plot once they've done their job.

I completely agree with it being done right.  However, it'd be nice to know they are actually working on it ... some sort of feed back ... and how it's progressing.  We the community can only speculate as to whats being worked on.  Cheers.

Modifié par Cael, 15 mai 2010 - 11:30 .

[ThisIsMadness91]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Wow, this place get's hostile very fast. *looks at the past pages* oh what do you know, Dink started this sh*t, AGAIN!. *sigh*

So anyone here hoping that Legion, Miri and Tali have unique dialog?

Oh, for sure! Especially if we get to hear Miranda try to justify this shining example of Cerberus incompetence.

[Cael]

morrie23 wrote...

mosor wrote...

Liara fans would rather see her situation
with the shadow broker dealt with on a 7 dollar DLC rather than a full
expansion pack?

Many Liara fans would just like to know that they are not wasting their time waiting for either.

This is really my point and I 100% concure.  I just want to know that it is even in the works.  I need my little wing ...   lol

[Cael]

Ecael wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Wait, you don't have a Liara avatar and you do criticize the game...me haz a confusion!

**sphlipsplap**

That's funny ... I actually have a save game where everyone except Miranda survives.  My mind set was ... that's one less Cerberuative operative I have to watch out for -- lol

Regarding the DLC - I'm interested in playing it .. but as stated before I would just like to know where the Liara content stands.  And ... um ... I dont have a Liara Avatar because I WANT Liara ... kinda like playing Liara in game ... it kinda invalidates the situation ...

Modifié par Cael, 15 mai 2010 - 11:36 .

[Cael]

Some Geth wrote...

I love that I am not a fanboy I am just Some Geth and that makes me happy.

I love you people ... this is so very funny ... (and pointless) ... but a lot of fun to watch.  *sits along side the popcorn eaters*  *giggles*  

[Mister Mida]

Cael wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

I love that I am not a fanboy I am just Some Geth and that makes me happy.

I love you people ... this is so very funny ... (and pointless) ... but a lot of fun to watch.  *sits along side the popcorn eaters*  *giggles*  

Sure, pull up a chair. Just bring your own popcorn

[Ecael]

Cael wrote...

I completely agree with it being done right.  However, it'd be nice to know they are actually working on it ... some sort of feed back ... and how it's progressing.  We the community can only speculate as to whats being worked on.  Cheers.

The sound files buried in the game data (as well as the save file triggers for "_LiaraDLC") basically confirms that the DLC will be produced some time in the future. BioWare knows that people are going to see these sound files, so they didn't put them in accidentally.

So they tease everyone with that, but they can't talk about it until they start working on it.

[Aradace]

ThisIsMadness91 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Wow, this place get's hostile very fast. *looks at the past pages* oh what do you know, Dink started this sh*t, AGAIN!. *sigh*

So anyone here hoping that Legion, Miri and Tali have unique dialog?

Oh, for sure! Especially if we get to hear Miranda try to justify this shining example of Cerberus incompetence.

You  know, I agree that Cerberus is completely and utterly incompetent....However, I'd rather run with people who are incompetent than the Alliance.  Seriously, given the choice in ME3, I WILL be telling the Alliance to get stuffed.

[Icinix]

Question : I've only briefly looked over the forums, but does anyone know if Overlord will require Hammerhead to already be downloaded from the Cerberus network? Or if the Hammerhead parts act independently from the Hammerhead DLC?



I imagine it would require Hammerhead to be downloaded, but does this mean people will be able to purchase it but not play it if they don't own the Hammerhead DLC as well?

[Bravenu3]

The DLCs should be pretty independent from each other, don't worry. The patch 1.01 is a must though.

Edit: Ooops, didn't read the Gamespot article before posting. Then I guess you HAVE to install Firewalker before Overlord. If BioWare is clever they bundle both into one install package :-)

Modifié par Bravenu3, 15 mai 2010 - 02:35 .

[Icinix]

Bravenu3 wrote...

The DLCs should be pretty independent from each other, don't worry. The patch 1.01 is a must though.

Oh, I'm not worried. I have them all as my obsessive compulsive games collecting is flaring up again .  But was curious as to how that would work if you haven't purchased Hammerhead DLC, but you get to use it in the mission?  If you don't need the Hammerhead DLC, then you'll get a 'new' hammerhead? I thought as it was a prototype there was only one?

[Bravenu3]

Then I guess you HAVE to install Firewalker before Overlord. If BioWare is clever they bundle both into one install package :-)

[Mister Mida]

Icinix wrote...

Bravenu3 wrote...

The DLCs should be pretty independent from each other, don't worry. The patch 1.01 is a must though.

Oh, I'm not worried. I have them all as my obsessive compulsive games collecting is flaring up again .  But was curious as to how that would work if you haven't purchased Hammerhead DLC, but you get to use it in the mission?  If you don't need the Hammerhead DLC, then you'll get a 'new' hammerhead? I thought as it was a prototype there was only one?

I was thinking the same thing. It would be really stupid to find another Hammerhead down there if you got the only one. I'm sure someone will complain that you need to have Firewalker before you can do Overlord, but would it be really too much to bother to first collect the Hammerhead first? It's free (if you got first hand copie) and retrieving the vehicle itself takes ten minutes tops.

[Unit-Alpha]

Cael wrote...

morrie23 wrote...

mosor wrote...

Liara fans would rather see her situation
with the shadow broker dealt with on a 7 dollar DLC rather than a full
expansion pack?

Many Liara fans would just like to know that they are not wasting their time waiting for either.

This is really my point and I 100% concure.  I just want to know that it is even in the works.  I need my little wing ...   lol

Absolutely, why can't we just have an indication that they are working on it. I will buy Overlord when I get that indication, not sooner.

[Unit-Alpha]

Ecael wrote...

Cael wrote...

I completely agree with it being done right.  However, it'd be nice to know they are actually working on it ... some sort of feed back ... and how it's progressing.  We the community can only speculate as to whats being worked on.  Cheers.

The sound files buried in the game data (as well as the save file triggers for "_LiaraDLC") basically confirms that the DLC will be produced some time in the future. BioWare knows that people are going to see these sound files, so they didn't put them in accidentally.

So they tease everyone with that, but they can't talk about it until they start working on it.

"Confirms" is a bit strong. There is the possibility that those were junk or even just tease files for DLC that will never see the light of day.

Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 15 mai 2010 - 04:07 .

[Ecael]

Mister Mida wrote...

Cael wrote...

I love you people ... this is so very funny ... (and pointless) ... but a lot of fun to watch.  *sits along side the popcorn eaters*  *giggles*  

Sure, pull up a chair. Just bring your own popcorn

Well, it seems most of the people left, but I'll just point out some things:

Statement: It is a rarity to find someone who likes ME2 but hates ME1.

Why do I say this? Because while the opposite is possible, if there are people who hate Mass Effect 1, then they wouldn't go and buy Mass Effect 2 in the first place. There are people who have heard about Mass Effect only recently, but those with the intention of playing both games (and not just buying Mass Effect 2) would logically buy Mass Effect 1 first. You wouldn't watch a movie trilogy starting at the middle unless you had no intention of ever watching the ones before it - it would spoil the story if you did.

Conclusion: The people who can compare the two games are divided into two categories: 
  1. People who loved ME1 *and* ME2
  2. People who loved ME1, but dislike ME2.

Corollary: It is counter-intuitive to call someone an ME2 meatbag fangirl or fanboy when they liked ME1 enough to buy the sequel!

Statement: Aside from the varied characters and their stories, Mass Effect 2 is very much similar in every other aspect to Mass Effect 1.

I've accused others before of bias because the way their character was treated in the story was affecting their opinion of the game in general. However, since there are people who genuinely have issues with the game (in comparison to ME1) without any preference toward the characters, I have spent pages of threads either:
  1. Comparing ME1 and ME2, saying that they are similar in every other aspect (including 'splosions)
  2. Justifying a reason for why the writers did this or that to the story

In other words, the more I post, the more similarities start to appear between the two games. After all, it's still Mass Effect, and it's still mostly the same team working on all three games. The more similar these two games seem, the more damaging it is to nitpick an aspect in one game so vehemently when the same is true for the OTHER game. This applies to glitches as well - nothing is more annoying than getting stuck floating in the air in Mass Effect 2 as it is getting stuck in an bugged elevator whose door won't close in Mass Effect 1.

It's easy to explain why they kept many aspects - it was successful in the first game, and should be successful in the next two. However, if you do want to point out differences between the two (if there are any remaining), you also have the extra work of answering one question.

Query: Why then, would BioWare be so "malicious" to change the game so drastically? They must have done so for a reason that does not involve the words "greed" or "dumb/dumbed down", because that isn't the intent of the gameplay designers OR the writers.

Conclusion: While I spend time pointing out similarities between the games (which some people take offense to for some reason), others will point out flaws. If they continue to argue, I redirect them so that they will essentially start arguing against themselves - because, as I said, criticizing one game for non-character related issues is criticizing BOTH games.

Observation: Whatever you do when Mass Effect 3 is released - even if in spite of what I say or what BioWare says to hype the game up - it's beneficial to them. And all I'm concerned about as a fan (not a blind one) is their continued success at making games. Even the people most infuriated with Mass Effect 2 will be left with three choices:
  1. Not buy the next game, and thus are unable to complain about it endlessly on the forums (they're gone, so good for me and other, more optimistic posters here)
  2. Buy the next game, so they've bought all three games in the trilogy, and may complain on the forums (good for BioWare anyway)
  3. Buy the next game, but either don't post on these forums or don't complain about it (good for BioWare, and good for me and other posters).

Conclusion: Say anything you want about what BioWare is doing - bad job or not - and whether you'll buy or not buy Mass Effect 3, but whatever you actually do as a result of your complaining, however pointless, will actually benefit BioWare or its fans in the long run (and most of all, me!).

You can't complain about a game that you haven't bought (especially one of this scale), and if you buy it BioWare's already been successful in getting you to buy all three games. As I said, BioWare's continued defense and preservation of humanity is what I'm concerned about - and not just one or two characters.



Addendum: It's become an "I win or you lose" situation. In the meantime, I'll continue playing Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2 as much or as little as I want - because I love both games, despite shooting stuff in the Mako or planet-scanning (both of which I try to avoid as much as possible, since it's optional - even on Insanity difficulty =P).



Not buying Mass Effect 3? That's a heavy risk...

Modifié par Ecael, 15 mai 2010 - 04:11 .

[cynicalmicahel]

Here is a question: Is it possible that they have released so many piddily DLC's that we are becomming some what jaded and cynical to what they are releasing? I mean i know that yes, the alternate appearance pack are cool, and yes I like the extra armors, but for the most part the DLC's are just lacking pretty hard. And, every time they put something out there we jump on it t the point where we )I know I am, at least) are getting burned out. I mean we can only take so much dissappointment and 5 or 7 dollar purchases before we think "Hey they are just framing us for more money," and lose interest in everything all together...

[ThisIsMadness91]

Aradace wrote...

ThisIsMadness91 wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Wow, this place get's hostile very fast. *looks at the past pages* oh what do you know, Dink started this sh*t, AGAIN!. *sigh*

So anyone here hoping that Legion, Miri and Tali have unique dialog?

Oh, for sure! Especially if we get to hear Miranda try to justify this shining example of Cerberus incompetence.

You  know, I agree that Cerberus is completely and utterly incompetent....However, I'd rather run with people who are incompetent than the Alliance.  Seriously, given the choice in ME3, I WILL be telling the Alliance to get stuffed.

Why is that?

[cynicalmicahel]

I know I glossed over the Stolen Memories and Hammerhead DLC's but lets face it those felt half finished and cobbled together. I know you have your opinion; I have mine.

[Ecael]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Absolutely, why can't we just have an indication that they are working on it. I will buy Overlord when I get that indication, not sooner.

"Confirms" is a bit strong. There is the possibility that those were junk or even just tease files for DLC that will never see the light of day.

Liara's DLC is likely to be one of the largest releases by the DLC team, and thus the continued support of the current mission-based is all that is necessary to justify such a release. The triggers are already there to make implementing it as easy as possible for the DLC team.

It's possible they didn't set it up perfectly when they started on Zaeed and Kasumi - for some reason, they could no longer modify the Normandy to include dialogue wheels, even though the voice actors were voiced in the loyalty missions (Mark Meer, Jennifer Hale, Kym Hoy for Kasumi DLC with Robin Sachs for Zaeed's DLC).

Liara's DLC is set up to make the transition as simple as adding another choice on her dialogue wheel. The only thing that would stop the DLC team from releasing a Liara DLC at this point is if they either run out of funds or they all get fired (which I really hope doesn't happen).

In the meantime, I'll continue supporting mission-based DLC by buying all of those, but I'm not fond of all the paid appearance/armor DLCs.

[Ecael]

cynicalmicahel wrote...

I know I glossed over the Stolen Memories and Hammerhead DLC's but lets face it those felt half finished and cobbled together. I know you have your opinion; I have mine.

I thought the Hammerhead DLC was fairly lacking (no new voiced dialogue), but I think they did a great job on Kasumi's DLC. They brought back Mark Meer, Jennifer Hale and Kym Hoy to voice the remaining dialogue and the level in itself was fairly unique, even if the enemies weren't.