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This is the most striking of the visual treats provided by the Overlord DLC, which is intended to offer something"new and different" to the main game
darknoon5 wrote...
Hey people are distorting my original post. I never said ignore people with blue avatars-I said ignore people with blue avatars saying ME2 sucks, which is valid, as the number seems to be alarmingly high
Modifié par Unit-Alpha, 15 mai 2010 - 04:31 .
Ecael wrote...
Statement: It is a rarity to find someone who likes ME2 but hates ME1.
Modifié par dentaru, 15 mai 2010 - 04:30 .
O_ocynicalmicahel wrote...
I know I glossed over the Stolen Memories and Hammerhead DLC's but lets face it those felt half finished and cobbled together. I know you have your opinion; I have mine.
Which one did you buy first?dentaru wrote...
Ecael wrote...
Statement: It is a rarity to find someone who likes ME2 but hates ME1.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<< IM ONE!!
The FPS aspect of ME1 on the PC really sucked IMO. Also, the graphics and design of running around on the planets in the vehicle were only so so, hell I thought Halo 1 was better!
I'd be more optimistic, though. Liara's the only squadmate who can't die, so she's much better off than the other 16 squadmates are right now.Unit-Alpha wrote...
darknoon5 wrote...
Hey people are distorting my original post. I never said ignore people with blue avatars-I said ignore people with blue avatars saying ME2 sucks, which is valid, as the number seems to be alarmingly high
I think you are overestimating based on a number of vocal Liara-avatar'd people who hate ME2. I love ME2 as it is almost always better than ME1. Sure, a few characters disappointed me (see ME1 LI's) and the game lost a bit of the "spacey" feel/non-linearity. ME2 had better gameplay, VAing, sense of urgency, graphics, sound, nearly everything. Sure, I have ME1 and ME2 tied in my mind in terms of how good the game is, but objectively speaking ME2 is superior. But I still adore ME1 just as much.
And I'm the leader of the Liara fan club so I wouldn't generalize too much.
Modifié par Ecael, 15 mai 2010 - 04:35 .
Ecael wrote...
I thought the Hammerhead DLC was fairly lacking (no new voiced dialogue), but I think they did a great job on Kasumi's DLC. They brought back Mark Meer, Jennifer Hale and Kym Hoy to voice the remaining dialogue and the level in itself was fairly unique, even if the enemies weren't.cynicalmicahel wrote...
I know I glossed over the Stolen Memories and Hammerhead DLC's but lets face it those felt half finished and cobbled together. I know you have your opinion; I have mine.
Ecael wrote...
Which one did you buy first?dentaru wrote...
Ecael wrote...
Statement: It is a rarity to find someone who likes ME2 but hates ME1.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<< IM ONE!!
The FPS aspect of ME1 on the PC really sucked IMO. Also, the graphics and design of running around on the planets in the vehicle were only so so, hell I thought Halo 1 was better!
If you bought ME1 first, then you liked ME1 enough to buy the sequel.
If you bought ME2 first, then I have no idea why you'd play these story-based games in reverse.
Ecael wrote...
Unit-Alpha wrote...
*Snip*
I'd be more optimistic, though. Liara's the only squadmate who can't die, so she's much better off than the other 16 squadmates are right now.
What do you mean with pulling a Bastilla? Turn on you?Unit-Alpha wrote...
Ecael wrote...
Unit-Alpha wrote...
*Snip*
I'd be more optimistic, though. Liara's the only squadmate who can't die, so she's much better off than the other 16 squadmates are right now.
True, although I am worried Bioware is going to pull a Bastila on us without the "happy" ending.
Unit-Alpha wrote...
Ecael wrote...
Unit-Alpha wrote...
*Snip*
I'd be more optimistic, though. Liara's the only squadmate who can't die, so she's much better off than the other 16 squadmates are right now.
True, although I am worried Bioware is going to pull a Bastila on us without the "happy" ending.
Well, as I mentioned before, I'm only buying the mission DLC anyway, so I can't comment on the usefulness of the paid DLC armor or appearances.cynicalmicahel wrote...
Ecael wrote...
I thought the Hammerhead DLC was fairly lacking (no new voiced dialogue), but I think they did a great job on Kasumi's DLC. They brought back Mark Meer, Jennifer Hale and Kym Hoy to voice the remaining dialogue and the level in itself was fairly unique, even if the enemies weren't.cynicalmicahel wrote...
I know I glossed over the Stolen Memories and Hammerhead DLC's but lets face it those felt half finished and cobbled together. I know you have your opinion; I have mine.
Not saying they did not, and yes it was unique. My point is this. Think about Fallout 3. They had not nearly so many items, but the ones they did release I thought were a lot more "Hit" than "Miss." And, even the ones that did miss were at least very interesting to play, I felt.
I guess that is the nail of the argument I am hammering on: Thus far the majority of DLC's are not things to "play," and in fact have marginal use at all in game (yes DLC armor I am looking at you!) they just look "Cool," and add little depth to a game that richly deserves it. I mean I could put a $5000 dollar paint job on a Dodge Omni, and have a really nice looking Dodge Omni, or I could take that same amount of money and get soemthing so much better.
Modifié par Ecael, 15 mai 2010 - 04:48 .
Well, that's my point. If you hated ME1 after buying it first, you'd have no reason to buy the sequel. Unless you're masochistic (and rich) enough to pay for and do things you dislike intentionally, of course.PARAGON87 wrote...
I bought ME1 first, but I like ME2 for a different reason. I thought ME1's story was better and I liked how you were on a mission to stop Saren and track his whereabouts. I didn't really like that 90% of the story of ME2 was based on pure recruitment. I would think there would be more after the Suicide Mission, too. But really both games have their own reasons to be great.
If BioWare can somehow combine the RPG mechanics of ME1 with the shooter presentation of ME2, BioWare has struck gold.
Well, if BioWare really wanted Liara to meet a quick, bad end, they would have killed her on the first Normandy, now wouldn't they?Unit-Alpha wrote...
Ecael wrote...
Unit-Alpha wrote...
*Snip*
I'd be more optimistic, though. Liara's the only squadmate who can't die, so she's much better off than the other 16 squadmates are right now.
True, although I am worried Bioware is going to pull a Bastila on us without the "happy" ending.
Well, I would hope that Bethesda had faith in the success of Fallout 3. It's more about them having faith in the success of DLC - EA/BioWare's decision to structure the Cerberus Network the way it is now (to prevent used game sales) isn't an old idea, so by making DLC and setting aside a team for it that early is a heavy risk (and investment) in itself...Rive Caedo wrote...
While I largely agree with that point, Ecael, you still need to consider that Fallout 3's success was far less certain than ME2.
Is it really fair to compare content that was in production while the main game was such as Kasumi, Zaeed, and... crash site (yay snow?) to Operation Anchorage considering that Anchorage probably wasn't even started until after Fallout 3's sales were ensured?
If Anchorage was in production at the same time as the main game of Fallout 3, my argument is invalid
Ecael wrote...
Well, I would hope that Bethesda had faith in the success of Fallout 3. It's more about them having faith in the success of DLC - EA/BioWare's decision to structure the Cerberus Network the way it is now (to prevent used game sales) isn't an old idea, so by making DLC and setting aside a team for it that early is a heavy risk (and investment) in itself...Rive Caedo wrote...
While I largely agree with that point, Ecael, you still need to consider that Fallout 3's success was far less certain than ME2.
Is it really fair to compare content that was in production while the main game was such as Kasumi, Zaeed, and... crash site (yay snow?) to Operation Anchorage considering that Anchorage probably wasn't even started until after Fallout 3's sales were ensured?
If Anchorage was in production at the same time as the main game of Fallout 3, my argument is invalid
But anyway, I don't see many game companies as large as BioWare or Bethesda releasing games while saying "Oh crap, this game is going to fail. Hard. Start working on your resumes again, people!"
Ecael wrote...
It's possible they didn't set it up perfectly when they started on Zaeed and Kasumi - for some reason, they could no longer modify the Normandy to include dialogue wheels, even though the voice actors were voiced in the loyalty missions (Mark Meer, Jennifer Hale, Kym Hoy for Kasumi DLC with Robin Sachs for Zaeed's DLC).
True, all of us have minor prejudices in some small way. I wasn't saying all Liara fans are haters and trolls, but I've had too many negative experiences with them so far (spamming threads, people like Dinkamus hating on ME2 using illogical reasoning, cheating and spamming of Survivor when Liara died-I could go on for hours) to view the fanbase as a whole in a positive light, unfortunately. I guess it's a shame a whole fanbase endsd up in such a poor light due to some people<_<Unit-Alpha wrote...
darknoon5 wrote...
Hey people are distorting my original post. I never said ignore people with blue avatars-I said ignore people with blue avatars saying ME2 sucks, which is valid, as the number seems to be alarmingly high
I think you are overestimating based on a number of vocal Liara-avatar'd people who hate ME2. I love ME2 as it is almost always better than ME1. Sure, a few characters disappointed me (see ME1 LI's) and the game lost a bit of the "spacey" feel/non-linearity. ME2 had better gameplay, VAing, sense of urgency, graphics, sound, nearly everything. Sure, I have ME1 and ME2 tied in my mind in terms of how good the game is, but objectively speaking ME2 is superior. But I still adore ME1 just as much.
And I'm the leader of the Liara fan club so I wouldn't generalize too much.
Ecael wrote...
Well, that's my point. If you hated ME1 after buying it first, you'd have no reason to buy the sequel. Unless you're masochistic (and rich) enough to pay for and do things you dislike intentionally, of course.PARAGON87 wrote...
I bought ME1 first, but I like ME2 for a different reason. I thought ME1's story was better and I liked how you were on a mission to stop Saren and track his whereabouts. I didn't really like that 90% of the story of ME2 was based on pure recruitment. I would think there would be more after the Suicide Mission, too. But really both games have their own reasons to be great.
If BioWare can somehow combine the RPG mechanics of ME1 with the shooter presentation of ME2, BioWare has struck gold.
Even so, there's a few unique cutscenes in Zaeed's and Kasumi's loyalty missions. Nothing could have prevented them from doing the same on the Normandy unless there was a technical problem adding the interactive dialogue or - like you said - a technical problem adding more cutscenes to the Normandy.Funker Shepard wrote...
Ecael wrote...
It's possible they didn't set it up perfectly when they started on Zaeed and Kasumi - for some reason, they could no longer modify the Normandy to include dialogue wheels, even though the voice actors were voiced in the loyalty missions (Mark Meer, Jennifer Hale, Kym Hoy for Kasumi DLC with Robin Sachs for Zaeed's DLC).
Has nothing to do with the Normandy - IIRC Zaeed and Kasumi have "light" dialogue because the cinematics take a lot of place byte-wise. Nothing to do with integration, just space issues.
My guess is that if the Overlord features (a lot of) dialogue from the NPCs, it's a sign of several pieces of DLC of this size or a major expansion.
I'm pretty sure BioWare uses some kind of lip-syncing program that automatically emotes facial expressions and movements so that more dialogue can be added without worrying about cinematics. Dragon Age: Origins' toolset mentions this:Also 99 % sure that the VO work for everything up to Kasumi was all done
during the sessions for the main game. Since the VOs have to be done
before the cinematics (to get the lipsync right etc.), it's obviously
done very early - this would mean that expansions coming out months from
now would need to have the VO work mostly done (I assume it's a longer
process, depending on availability etc.)
Once we figured out the direction Modifié par Ecael, 15 mai 2010 - 06:46 .
But you can't compare the two well until you've bought it (and unless you give into all the hype when they market it). Not only that, Mass Effect is the kind of single-player game you'd play over and over again without getting old because of the different classes, the different dialogue you can choose from each time, etc.OverlordNexas wrote...
Ecael wrote...
Well, that's my point. If you hated ME1 after buying it first, you'd have no reason to buy the sequel. Unless you're masochistic (and rich) enough to pay for and do things you dislike intentionally, of course.PARAGON87 wrote...
I bought ME1 first, but I like ME2 for a different reason. I thought ME1's story was better and I liked how you were on a mission to stop Saren and track his whereabouts. I didn't really like that 90% of the story of ME2 was based on pure recruitment. I would think there would be more after the Suicide Mission, too. But really both games have their own reasons to be great.
If BioWare can somehow combine the RPG mechanics of ME1 with the shooter presentation of ME2, BioWare has struck gold.
Thats not necessarily true. This is the generation of highly improved sequels. Its possible for developers to fix most of the issues in a sequel and convince those who didn't like the first game to buy into the sequel. For example: I did not like the first Uncharted. It was simply not a very enjoyable shooter. Naughty Dog vastly improved the combat in Uncharted 2, and it turned out to be my favorite game of 2009.
Funker Shepard wrote...
My guess is that if the Overlord features (a lot of) dialogue from the NPCs, it's a sign of several pieces of DLC of this size or a major expansion.
dentaru wrote...
<<<<<<<<<<<<<< IM ONE!!
The FPS aspect of ME1 on the PC really sucked IMO. Also, the graphics and design of running around on the planets in the vehicle were only so so, hell I thought Halo 1 was better! But, ME2 really delivered for me so far as far as the FPS aspect goes, and the hammerhead expansion showed some promise of changing the dull ME1 vehicle on a planet (SPEED BOOST AND SUPER JUMP ZOMG!). ME2 was also a lot more challenging as far as Insanity goes VS ME1 hard mode. I blew through ME1 on highest difficulty, all side quests and planet searching included, like no time went by at all, and at least ME2 took some skill. I only play on the PC versions so I don't know what its like on a system, but this is my opinion on that matter!
PS! I cant wait for the new content, always nice to continue on in the game and see what they have in store....
PSS! One last ME1 RANT, WTH was up with the mineral collecting for nothing in that? OOOO Credits yay! No no, ME2 was more thought out as to content, where ME1 was just a mediocre shooter/rpg that was only held together by the story more than the game part....
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