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[Shal-ziar]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

2pac Shakur wrote...


pfft typical 15 year old, all you want is flashy pew pew braindead OMFGZ LOL PEW PEW gameplay. Please stop asking your mommy to get you M rated games until you understand the concept of an RPG 

Mass Effect is a TPS not an FPS (bet you don't know what a TPS is). It is not meant to be a pure shooter at all, but a hybrid RPG. If you want to play a dedicated shooter, go play Halo or Gears of War. Most older fans prefer mass effect 1 because it had a great storyline and many innovative RPG elements. While mass effect 2 gameplay was great, it lacked in the story department

Many fans disliked that Bioware attempted to cater for the masses in ME2 by creating yet another shooter game to appeal to braindead kids like you 

Seriously Mass Effect 2 is not that disconnected from Mass Effect 1 gameplay wise.

Also you need to play more games, in fact anyone who brings up what an RPG is on these boards needs to.

Agree with most of the above, though I do miss the sloppy but interesting Inventory system from ME1 which allowed you to really change you're characters appearance. Oh, and the fact that in ME 1 the story/dialogue was better, but I have to admit that some of that was because of it being new.


On the DLC part I don't get that for the entire game you pay 60 bucks A cerb net pass kosts €15,-? Then that means that According to my calculations that we should at least get 1/3 of the gameplay on the CD in DLC form purely looking at the Cerb Net pass kost. I don't see that happening. The free DLC's released until now didn't even come close to 10% of the game content on disc.

[Ecael]

Shal-ziar wrote...

Agree with most of the above, though I do miss the sloppy but interesting Inventory system from ME1 which allowed you to really change you're characters appearance. Oh, and the fact that in ME 1 the story/dialogue was better, but I have to admit that some of that was because of it being new.

I liked the fact that there were so many armor selections, but by the end of the game, everyone looked the same since we were either all wearing Colossus or Predator X armor (except Wrex, but... he's Wrex).

On the DLC part I don't get that for the entire game you pay 60 bucks A cerb net pass kosts €15,-? Then that means that According to my calculations that we should at least get 1/3 of the gameplay on the CD in DLC form purely looking at the Cerb Net pass kost. I don't see that happening. The free DLC's released until now didn't even come close to 10% of the game content on disc.

The $15 isn't supposed to signify how much content there is, but it's there to discourage the customer from buying used games from places like GameStop. If they eventually end up paying more for a used game and the Cerberus Network, then they're better off buying a new game.

[Relix28]

JohannRSA wrote...

I hope this DLC is sign of more story based content in the future.
Me and my team need more a** to kick.

Team Red madness. Love it. The only thing I dislike is the visor on the Inferno armor. God that thing looks retarded. Way to ruin a perfectly nice armor.
Anywayz, nice pic.

[Ecael]

Relix28 wrote...
Team Red madness. Love it. The only thing I dislike is the visor on the Inferno armor. God that thing looks retarded. Way to ruin a perfectly nice armor.
Anywayz, nice pic.

New Inferno Armor helmet!

[TJSolo]

Ecael wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

You say people ignore the loudest voice, which is extremely contrary to the truth.
Even if you believe that it is obvious you don't abide by that BS rule as you and others around here never ignore vocal posters that don't share your opinion.
Proof? The 6 damn pages of you soapboxing and pic spamming because of a specfic person that posted their opinion.

Of course, the "BioWare will ignore you if you soapbox" rule is not in the site rules, either.

BioWare's made it clear that they do read posts on the forums, but I post assuming that they'll never read mine (mine are essentially short essays, too long to read after all). Knowing that, I can soapbox and pic spam as much as I want, as long as I stay on-topic. If I really needed a response or wanted them to notice my opinion, I'd PM one of them directly.

Also, it probably helps when you always try to take BioWare's point-of-view in your argument, rather than going against them. That makes them more amenable to soapboxing, it seems.

You do know why "BioWare will ignore you if you soapbox" is not on their site rules, because it would contradict the basis for this site. There has been some pretty off the wall, insulting, and standoffish threads from a people ranting. On occasion Gamble, Woo, Priestly or some other forum Mod will come in and attempt to converse with the person. There is still an intention to keep this forum open to communitation and not all eol/Lockdown.

Through PMs it has been recommend several times that if the someone in the community wants a change or improvement the best way to go about it is gain support in the community so that Bioware will see the support it more then one person.

This is not 1984 or a communist regime. People posting their opinions are not going against Bioware.

[MrNose]

Ecael wrote...

Shal-ziar wrote...

Agree with most of the above, though I do miss the sloppy but interesting Inventory system from ME1 which allowed you to really change you're characters appearance. Oh, and the fact that in ME 1 the story/dialogue was better, but I have to admit that some of that was because of it being new.

I liked the fact that there were so many armor selections, but by the end of the game, everyone looked the same since we were either all wearing Colossus or Predator X armor (except Wrex, but... he's Wrex).

On the DLC part I don't get that for the entire game you pay 60 bucks A cerb net pass kosts €15,-? Then that means that According to my calculations that we should at least get 1/3 of the gameplay on the CD in DLC form purely looking at the Cerb Net pass kost. I don't see that happening. The free DLC's released until now didn't even come close to 10% of the game content on disc.

The $15 isn't supposed to signify how much content there is, but it's there to discourage the customer from buying used games from places like GameStop. If they eventually end up paying more for a used game and the Cerberus Network, then they're better off buying a new game.

This.

Also remember that DLC is 'Premium Content', which means that it costs more per content than the 'basic content', which is the game itself.  If you think of DLC as a bunch of luxury items, which they are, then it begins to make sense. 

The implications of this are also that DLC should be better polished than the base game's content or at par with it at least, and based on the Zaeed and Kasumi missions, I would say this is true so far.  The Kasumi mission features a ton of detail, fantastic scenery, and great cutscenes.  The Zaeed mission features fantastic morality choices, a great environment, and multiple endings. 

[Ecael]

Barquiel wrote...

that's "new"

iirc...Tali fans started their thread last summer (old forums), it was the first "love thread"
They got what they wanted (romance, squadmate status)
Every fangroup did the same

Well, Tali and Garrus were the only ones who couldn't die and couldn't be romanced in Mass Effect 1, so it's not unreasonable that both could return as potential love interests (especially since it sets up a nice clash with Kaidan/Ashley and Liara in ME3).

I don't see anyone making a fan group to make Wrex or Grunt romancable...

[Ecael]

TJSolo wrote...

You do know why "BioWare will ignore you if you soapbox" is not on their site rules, because it would contradict the basis for this site. There has been some pretty off the wall, insulting, and standoffish threads from a people ranting. On occasion Gamble, Woo, Priestly or some other forum Mod will come in and attempt to converse with the person. There is still an intention to keep this forum open to communitation and not all eol/Lockdown.

Through PMs it has been recommend several times that if the someone in the community wants a change or improvement the best way to go about it is gain support in the community so that Bioware will see the support it more then one person.

This is not 1984 or a communist regime. People posting their opinions are not going against Bioware.

Urg, you used the word communist. That's like using the word **** (err.. Germans in the 1940s!) in an argument.

(Godwin'd!)

It's harder to gain support if you do so with vitriol and berate them in the process. Doing so will only cause the argument to become more and more polarized, to the point where the only thing an idea needs to get shot down is enough opposition (which often occurs). I'm fine with the state of the game as it is and its direction, so anything novel for Mass Effect 3 - and not just a recycled aspect from either game - is welcome.

Modifié par Ecael, 15 mai 2010 - 09:00 .

[Relix28]

Ecael wrote...

Relix28 wrote...
Team Red
madness. [smilie]../../../../images/forum/emoticons/w00t.png[/smilie] Love it.
The only thing I dislike is the visor on the Inferno armor. God that
thing looks retarded. Way to ruin a perfectly nice armor.
Anywayz,
nice pic. [smilie]../../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

New
Inferno Armor helmet!

Inferno man helmet ftw. lol
Basically anything would be better than that awful visor. They could at least made that visor reflective, like in the official artwork. Same thing goes for the Cerberus Armor.
*sigh*

Sometimes I think BioWare needs a stylist, bad.

Modifié par Relix28, 15 mai 2010 - 09:03 .

[JohannRSA]

Relix28 wrote...

JohannRSA wrote...

I hope this DLC is sign of more story based content in the future.
Me and my team need more a** to kick.

Team Red madness. Love it. The only thing I dislike is the visor on the Inferno armor. God that thing looks retarded. Way to ruin a perfectly nice armor.
Anywayz, nice pic.

Thanks see you on the Bounce.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Relix28 wrote...

Ecael wrote...

Relix28 wrote...
Team Red
madness. [smilie]../../../../images/forum/emoticons/w00t.png[/smilie] Love it.
The only thing I dislike is the visor on the Inferno armor. God that
thing looks retarded. Way to ruin a perfectly nice armor.
Anywayz,
nice pic. [smilie]../../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

New
Inferno Armor helmet!

Inferno man helmet ftw. lol
Basically anything would be better than that awful visor. They could at least made that visor reflective, like in the official artwork. Same thing goes for the Cerberus Armor.
*sigh*

Sometimes I think BioWare needs a stylist, bad.

Indeed (I could say the same thing for all of their dev teams at this point)

[TJSolo]

Ecael wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

You do know why "BioWare will ignore you if you soapbox" is not on their site rules, because it would contradict the basis for this site. There has been some pretty off the wall, insulting, and standoffish threads from a people ranting. On occasion Gamble, Woo, Priestly or some other forum Mod will come in and attempt to converse with the person. There is still an intention to keep this forum open to communitation and not all eol/Lockdown.

Through PMs it has been recommend several times that if the someone in the community wants a change or improvement the best way to go about it is gain support in the community so that Bioware will see the support it more then one person.

This is not 1984 or a communist regime. People posting their opinions are not going against Bioware.

Urg, you used the word communist. That's like using the word **** (err.. Germans in the 1940s!) in an argument.

(Godwin'd!)

It's harder to gain support if you do so with vitriol and berate them in the process. Doing so will only cause the argument to become more and more polarized, to the point where the only thing an idea needs to get shot down is enough opposition (which often occurs). I'm fine with the state of the game as it is and its direction, so anything novel for Mass Effect 3 - and not just a recycled aspect from either game - is welcome.

Communism is a political concept that is not the meme you are looking for.

You are the one taking it to an extreme in saying "It's harder to gain support if you do so with vitriol and berate them in
the process." 
They're are just ideas no matter the force against them. They don't get  "shot down" by opposistion.

Modifié par TJSolo, 15 mai 2010 - 09:24 .

[Funker Shepard]

Ecael wrote...

[snip]
Thus, much of the Kasumi DLC was completed well after release. BioWare left hints of Kasumi in the original files and finished the rest of it, just as planned.

Well, looks like my reasoning might have been faulty - I've always assumed that VOs need to be done early in these kinds of games, but looks like I 'm wrong. Not that it really matters, I don't feel short-changed one way or the other. My point was more like that the VOs might be done early, in groups, with the two participants in the dialogue doing their lines months apart.. and anyway way ahead of the actual level design - the presence of VO files doesn't mean that something was pulled out, it just means that the VO was done.

[Gnaeus.Silvanus]

Could we please get some more free DLCs before buying this new episode?

[Zekebugs]

Gnaeus.Silvanus wrote...

Could we please get some more free DLCs before buying this new episode?

It's coming out in June. Giving the track record with planned DLC's so far, I would estimate late June. I don't think it is outside the realm of possibility for a small freebie and/or another micro transaction. Like maybe some unique N7 armor parts *crosses fingers* and the second appearance pack.

[Ecael]

TJSolo wrote...

Communism is a political concept that is not the meme you are looking for.

You are the one taking it to an extreme in saying "It's harder to gain support if you do so with vitriol and berate them in
the process." 
They're are just ideas no matter the force against them. They don't get  "shot down" by opposistion.

Well, I wasn't exactly trying to reference a meme there, but anyway...

The thing about these BioWare forums is that, as a whole, we represent the vocal minority. We don't represent the critics or the majority of players who buy this game and then move on (or post about it on other forums).

When I refer to "we", I mean everyone here, including me and you. Right now, for a lot of ideas/opinions, the vocal minority is split. The only way for a minority to push an idea through and get noticed by BioWare is:

1. It's a entirely novel idea for the next game (and not something reused from Mass Effect 1 or 2)

or

2. There's unanimous agreement among the vocal minority for it to be included in the next game

In both cases, it's extremely rare that either happens on these forums.

For the former, arguing about which part of Mass Effect 1 or 2 is better (or arguing that they're the same thing, like I often do) doesn't produce any new ideas.

For the latter, you don't need new ideas, but you do need to be able to convince everyone here to support it. Any form of disagreement, even by a few people, is enough to discourage the change. For example:

-Some in the minority (the forum) say they want Mass Effect 1's inventory system back
-A few people in the same minority (the forum) disagree, expletives are exchanged, blah blah blah
-The vocal minority's arguments cancel each other out, and the idea looks weak in the end.
-As a result, BioWare can continue with Mass Effect 2's loadout system or carefully implement a simplified inventory system (simpler than ME1, but an inventory nonetheless), but cannot return back to the old system from ME1

So, unless someone comes up with an idea that's entirely new to Mass Effect (and one that fits well) or can make a convincing argument so strong that the entire forum would agree, I doubt anything we say will actually affect the development of Mass Effect 3.

That's why I say that ideas can get struck down very quickly - posting on this forum only makes you part of a small vocal minority. After all, the critics opinions represented the majority's opinions in Mass Effect 1 (or at least it seems that way), and the changes that they did make to Mass Effect 2 seem to be proof of that.

In other words, this forum altogether has about the value of 2 or 3 critics. Unless we can *all* agree on a solution that looks good for Mass Effect 3, then we won't be able to affect the game at all.

And honestly, I don't think I can come up with any ideas right now that everyone would agree upon...

[Ecael]

Funker Shepard wrote...

Ecael wrote...

[snip]
Thus, much of the Kasumi DLC was completed well after release. BioWare left hints of Kasumi in the original files and finished the rest of it, just as planned.

Well, looks like my reasoning might have been faulty - I've always assumed that VOs need to be done early in these kinds of games, but looks like I 'm wrong. Not that it really matters, I don't feel short-changed one way or the other. My point was more like that the VOs might be done early, in groups, with the two participants in the dialogue doing their lines months apart.. and anyway way ahead of the actual level design - the presence of VO files doesn't mean that something was pulled out, it just means that the VO was done.

It's true that they try to get as many lines out of the way, but Michael Gamble did say they weren't sure about the direction they wanted to take with Kasumi - that is, her personality or backstory. So they can include some sound files in the game that don't give much indication to her background (other than the fact that she's a thief -she steals things), but the unique lines - like her comments on love interests - were saved for later.

One thing they did do, however, was record references to Kasumi very early in the game by other voice actors - Joker, Kelly Chambers and EDI all had some dialogue referring to Kasumi well before Kasumi was even announced. That way, they only had to bring back both Shepards and Kasumi's voice actress to complete the rest of "the squadmate".

[TJSolo]

Ecael wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

Communism is a political concept that is not the meme you are looking for.

You are the one taking it to an extreme in saying "It's harder to gain support if you do so with vitriol and berate them in
the process." 
They're are just ideas no matter the force against them. They don't get  "shot down" by opposistion.

Well, I wasn't exactly trying to reference a meme there, but anyway...

The thing about these BioWare forums is that, as a whole, we represent the vocal minority. We don't represent the critics or the majority of players who buy this game and then move on (or post about it on other forums).

When I refer to "we", I mean everyone here, including me and you. Right now, for a lot of ideas/opinions, the vocal minority is split. The only way for a minority to push an idea through and get noticed by BioWare is:

1. It's a entirely novel idea for the next game (and not something reused from Mass Effect 1 or 2)

or

2. There's unanimous agreement among the vocal minority for it to be included in the next game

In both cases, it's extremely rare that either happens on these forums.

For the former, arguing about which part of Mass Effect 1 or 2 is better (or arguing that they're the same thing, like I often do) doesn't produce any new ideas.

For the latter, you don't need new ideas, but you do need to be able to convince everyone here to support it. Any form of disagreement, even by a few people, is enough to discourage the change. For example:

-Some in the minority (the forum) say they want Mass Effect 1's inventory system back
-A few people in the same minority (the forum) disagree, expletives are exchanged, blah blah blah
-The vocal minority's arguments cancel each other out, and the idea looks weak in the end.
-As a result, BioWare can continue with Mass Effect 2's loadout system or carefully implement a simplified inventory system (simpler than ME1, but an inventory nonetheless), but cannot return back to the old system from ME1

So, unless someone comes up with an idea that's entirely new to Mass Effect (and one that fits well) or can make a convincing argument so strong that the entire forum would agree, I doubt anything we say will actually affect the development of Mass Effect 3.

That's why I say that ideas can get struck down very quickly - posting on this forum only makes you part of a small vocal minority. After all, the critics opinions represented the majority's opinions in Mass Effect 1 (or at least it seems that way), and the changes that they did make to Mass Effect 2 seem to be proof of that.

In other words, this forum altogether has about the value of 2 or 3 critics. Unless we can *all* agree on a solution that looks good for Mass Effect 3, then we won't be able to affect the game at all.

And honestly, I don't think I can come up with any ideas right now that everyone would agree upon...

You need to use the proper word to describe the player base here and not the loaded term "vocal minority".
Sampling is the proper description.
No matter how good an idea is there will always be someone to disagree, the point here is not to come to "complete agreement"(Extreme utopian concept) but to give feedback and to provide opinions. Gathering support has been noted in PMs with Bioware to garnish a bit more attention from them. What Bioware does or does not do with the provided feedback/opinions is up to them.
You just do not seem to grasp what this forum is.

[Rive Caedo]

2pac Shakur wrote...
Most older fans prefer mass effect 1 because it had a great storyline and many innovative RPG elements. While mass effect 2 gameplay was great, it lacked in the story department

I'm not sure if I would agree with that.
I've always found Bioware overall plots (especially Mass Effect) to be fairly generic (if nicely executed). But I've commended them for having much better characterization and dialogue than pretty much every other game series on the market.

Mass Effect 2 turned character interactions (largely via loyalty missions) into a much, much larger focus of the game than ME1. Which was the primary thing that made ME2 blow me away compared to ME1.

Ecael wrote...
I bet if people posted banners saying "Liara's
DLC is going to be bad and you should feel bad! Don't release it! Ever!"
they'd probably release the Liara DLC right after just to spite them.

+1 Zoidberg point (redeemable for sandwichs and edible flags)

[Ecael]

TJSolo wrote...

You need to use the proper word to describe the player base here and not the loaded term "vocal minority".
Sampling is the proper description.
No matter how good an idea is there will always be someone to disagree, the point here is not to come to "complete agreement"(Extreme utopian concept) but to give feedback and to provide opinions. Gathering support has been noted in PMs with Bioware to garnish a bit more attention from them. What Bioware does or does not do with the provided feedback/opinions is up to them.
You just do not seem to grasp what this forum is.

Well whether the term is charged or not, the forum is a vocal minority in itself. We don't represent the majority of the population, and we do post on a public forum. Thus, we are a vocal minority. If Mass Effect 2 is any evidence of this, the most important feedback comes from the actual critics that affect the development of the game. Critics didn't like elevators, so they took out elevators completely. Critics didn't like the Mako, so they didn't even bother with ground vehicle combat until a DLC. A forum like this - where everyone has a slightly differing opinion - is worth about as much as two or three critics. And that only works when you can actually build a consensus among most posters.

It's not Utopian to get practically everyone to agree to some feedback or an idea - there are some great ideas out there, they just need to be shared.
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Modifié par Ecael, 30 juin 2010 - 08:57 .

[Rive Caedo]

Ecael wrote...
Is it possible that they held back those files? Yes, there's always a possibility, but there's more evidence that works against this. We all know the "Ah yes, Reapers" meme that started a little time after the game was released, and it seems Kasumi has her own airquotes:

... Frak.

You're telling me that I'm going to need to go around to talking to every NPC again on my Kasumi playthrough, aren't you? I would have never talked to Avina again under normal circumstances

[Ecael]

Rive Caedo wrote...

Ecael wrote...
Is it possible that they held back those files? Yes, there's always a possibility, but there's more evidence that works against this. We all know the "Ah yes, Reapers" meme that started a little time after the game was released, and it seems Kasumi has her own airquotes:

... Frak.

You're telling me that I'm going to need to go around to talking to every NPC again on my Kasumi playthrough, aren't you? I would have never talked to Avina again under normal circumstances

There's quite a lot of "hidden" dialogue that most people will never see. I think Jack, Kasumi and Thane have a comment on the lower level Avina. Everyone except Grunt and Garrus (I think) makes a comment on Reapers on the middle level Avina, but Kasumi's is the most unique with the airquotes.

[Ecael]

Well, since the thread frame for this page is broken, I'm just going to spam a few pictures:

Ecael wrote...

A forum like this - where everyone has a slightly differing opinion - is worth about as much as two or three critics. And that only works when you can actually build a consensus among most posters.

[Icinix]

Damn right we're a vocal community! And a divided and proud one at that!

BioWare fans have always been passionate, with this new influx of fans introduced from the modified genre of Mass Effect, that has only been expanded upon.  So what we have is a collection of highly passionate fans from different genre backgrounds all vying for their arguments to be acknowledged.

I don't think it will ever be possible to obtain any kind of consensus, because it's the same game game that unites us, but the same gameplay that divides us.  So we continue to discuss, debate and argue because hell, what else are we going to do until ME3 comes out?