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[Carmen_Willow]

I posted a similar topic in the wrong thread, so I thought I should put it where it belonged.

I've seen numerous posters (in various topics) who are quite determined to chase Morrigan down to the ends of Thedas, even though her "help" in defeating the archdemon without dying included an agreement between the two of you that you would never go after her ---EVER.

Since there are those who lambast Cullen for having rather complete fantasies about a certain female mage and call him a perverted stalker, am I the only one who sees the irony here?

Morrigan was pretty adamant that she never see you again as part of the condition for helping you to live.  I believe that she might see the GW who comes after her as a stalker and with good reason.  Had I demanded, as the price for my help, the right to raise the child alone and without interference from my lover, I would be "upset."  Morrigan might just fireball your tushy.....

Please help me understand why you would pursue her in light of that. (Aside from the fact that she''s "smokin hot" as one poster put it.)  Is there a legitimate reason to break your word?

[sylvanaerie]

My HMN let her go. He gave his word and he kept it. As he wasn't in a romance with her at the time that might have had something to do with his lack of stalkeresque qualities though.

[Sarah1281]

If you really doubt her parenting skills or don't trust the demon-baby but were selfish enough to do the ritual anyway.

[sylvanaerie]

Well Roland was selfish enough to want to live and Morrigan offered him an out. He knew Alistair was a virgin and placed a lot of value on finding someone special to share his first time. Besides I as a person wouldn't ask someone to do something I won't do myself. So my boy stepped up to the plate and did the DR himself.



But he was honorable enough to keep his word to her and by this time Morrigan was a trusted friend. Maybe not COMPLETELY trusted but he trusted her enough that on this she was being straight with him.



Stalking wasn't an option even if the dialogues at the end suggested you could.

[Johnny Jaded]

There's the reasons Sarah pointed out above. Additionally, if you were in a romance with her, she states that leaving is something she feels she has to do and says it in such a way as to imply that she doesn't necessarily want to and possibly even regrets that she has to - something which is confirmed to a certain extent by the epilogue card regarding Morrigan's ring

Modifié par Johnny Jaded, 13 mai 2010 - 05:52 .

[tom2504]

Because we want answers?

This might be a bad route to take by trying to give you an example but;

Let's take a scenario where-by you romanced Morrigan in the game and performed the DR yourself, she loved you but had to leave you.

We don't know WHY Morrigan has to leave, perhaps she figures It's the only way to protect you from this god-baby who could potentially be a weapon of destruction.

Apply the same situation ( minus the Dark ritual and God-baby) to a real girlfriend, she tells you she loves you but  has to leave and can't tell you why.

Do you follow/find her?

I sure as hell would.

Despite the crappy example I think the principle applies. I personally think Flemeth plays a big role in this, Morrigan tells you herself that Flemeth wants to take over her form when the time comes, ergo she asks you to kill her, whether or not you do is irrelevant because:

Her spirit remains - So, either way Morrigan had to eventually cut, keep in mind she only figured all this out AFTER Flemeth sent her packing, Flemeth most probably didn't see this coming nor want her to find this out.

And Morrigan does in fact leave whatever the ending, the Dark Ritual was most PROBABLY for her own benefit to raise a child capable of protecting her from Flemeth, coincidently this could save your life. I don't believe that's the only reason Morrigan wanted to do it, she tells you in advance that she knew eventually a Warden would have to sacrifice himself to destroy the Archdemon, perhaps It was all part of her plan. However - she (BASICALLY0 told you that she loved you, that she regretted how things had to end and you're told by the ring that she was thinking about you a few months after she had left. Because of this I highly doubt that Morrigan never wants you to find her again.

But that's where it gets complex, we don't know WHY she had to leave and WHY she doesn't want you to follow and that's why we want her back - to find out why. I would be furious if I had to find out from someone other than Morrigan, especially considering the emotional ordeal your warden goes through.

Because the way I see it - I believe I should find Morrigan and think It's a valid reason to want to.

[Addai]

OP, as a preface question, have you ever played the Morrigan romance?

Besides what the poster said up above about the tone with which the discussions with Morrigan have, i.e. that she is leaving because she feels she has to (IMO in large part because she feels she needs to protect the Warden), there is also the fact that she gives you a ring which in theory allows you to find her and vice versa.  So I read her saying "don't follow" as being heavily tinged with "but I secretly want you to."  She knows when she gives you this ring that she's going to do the ritual.  Why would she do such a thing if she really intended never to see him again or know anything about him?

That is not to say that she'll welcome the Warden back with open arms.  We don't really know what the future holds for Morrigan, but if they ever do find one another, it's likely to be a lot more complicated than that.

The comparison to Cullen really doesn't hold, unless your PC is following her with the intent to kill her.  Cullen makes it pretty clear in Broken Circle he'd run a sword through you if given half a chance.

My male PC would probably not follow her right away.  He would try to go back to whatever life of a shiftless nobleman and unhappy Grey Warden could.  If he follows her, it will be because the idea of Morrigan raising his child all alone, possibly hunted by templars (edit:  and by Flemeth), compels him.  He would want to, at the very least, know she is safe.

Modifié par Addai67, 13 mai 2010 - 06:56 .

[blademaster7]

Before I proceed to answer you question I would like to ask a few questions to the women that romanced Alistair.

How many of you reloaded the landsmeet because you initially thought it would be a cool idea to have Loghain in your party? How many of you jumped back to the DR when you saw Riordan fall from the archdemon? And how many of you started a whole new playthrough as a Human Noble because you found out you can marry your favorite character?

Don't answer. I know the majority reloaded, and those who didn't, started a new game anyway. You didn't just say "meh" and then give up. That's right, you didn't let go. You kept trying and in the end you got what you wanted.

There are many reasonble excuses why would anyone follow her and refuse to give up. If you're  roleplaying a "Grey Warden to the bone" character that didn't romance her you will not let her go for the same reason Duncan didn't let Jory go. A friend of hers may feel betrayed or may worry about her safety to the point where he/she decides to break the promise.

For players that romanced her(which I assume is what you are interested in) I would use the key word hope. I was one of the few players that roleplayed a PC that tried to let her go but in the end he couldn't. I told Alistair I wouldn't bother and yet my Awakening ending said that the Grey Warden Commander ended up in Orlais looking for a dark haired sorceress. It wasn't my choice but there you have it. So, there is hope after all(there isn't really but just humour me here). My PC is a hopeless romantic(or an idiot, Alistair still owes me a boon, I should've stayed in Denerim).

He took a fireball in the face and then got chewed by a high-dragon-abomination in order to protect the woman he loves. He got back to camp and made a promise to Morrigan that he will always protect her.

And speaking of that promise, lets not forget the whole "Flemeth body-snatching" tale. If your character truly loves her, would he really let her and his child at the mercy of Flemeth? I think not.

A simple "don't follow me" without any explanation won't stop him. Flemeth didn't stop him, the archdemon didn't stop him.

After 60+ hours of putting your heart into the game you feel the need to get the most of it and it's characters. Even if you try to let go, you just can't. She owes my Warden a lot of answers, and they better be good ones. The epilogue hints some sort of continuation. In my opininon it is a false hope but I'm probably the only one who thinks this way. Most Morrigan fans are very optimistic for some reason.

I hated that ending to be honest, something I mentioned it countless times on these forums. I think I desrved better than that(and everyone else in my shoes really). I would rather not play the same ending again. So... the opinion of someone who hates her ending and yet decided not to let go must mean something... right?

If the writers ever give me the chance to wrap up that storyline then I'll take it. Whether it's tragedy, death or simply a happily ever after, I'll take it.

Modifié par blademaster7, 13 mai 2010 - 07:18 .

[old book]

I agree with a lot of what was said above.



Morrigan doesn't leave you because she no longer loves you, but for reasons she won't make clear. She also gives you a ring that may let you find her, that lets her keep tabs on you, and through which you can feel some of her regret. And she's having your child, god-ridden or no.



Some of my characters would let her go anyway. Most would feel the need to one day seek her out.



Using another strained analogy, the situation is not unlike that of a lover who leaves you to deal with personal issues, but who takes the child you shared with her, and who remains your Facebook friend and hangs out on some of the same web boards. You see her updates and comments, and you know she sometimes misses you. You also start hearing about how your child is doing.



Should you stay away? Probably. But the heart wants what it wants, and your love for eachother was powerful. You want to see your child. You want to see your lost love. You want to see if it's possible to heal the gap between you. Maybe you're making a terrible mistake, and maybe you know it, but love makes fools of the wise.

[Costin_Razvan]

I let her go. I got many things to do other then worry about her, like creating my vast Dwarven-Fereldan Empire!



One day however Duran Aeducan will track her down, and then with his God Child at his side he will conquer the world!

[Swoo]

I think Blademaster knocked it out of the park, so I'm not even going to try. Can I just say that is a HORRIBLE comparison, OP?



Cullen watched at a distance, daydreamed about a life together, was rumored to watch you while you bathed, and then went completely psychotic and wants to kill you.



The Morrigan romance was not quite the same.

[Costin_Razvan]

Swoo: That's creepy indeed.

[Carmen_Willow]

It's just that Morrigan was so adamant. She may love you, to the deepest extent possible for her. But she was very clear about what she wanted and needed. If she truly loves you, then her reasons for insisting must be very strong. If she does not truly love you, then you've misread her completely, or worse, chose to ignore what you knew was true. She gave you the ring -- but the ring works both ways....it tells her where you are (should she wish to find you) but it also tells her if you are getting too close (so she can run away).



I can understand the powerful need to know WHY? Why, if you love me, are you running away? Why can't we have a life together? We all like to know the reasons....





I can certainly understand. While I did not reload when as a DNF, I chose to save Loghain and thus lost Alistair, it was the worst, saddest most heartrending playthough I experienced. Funny how a bunch of pixels can affect you so.



(I still see Cullen as a tragic figure...so caught in his religion and his own natural desires used against him to try and turn him until he goes pretty much insane. Sure he'd run you through with a sword. He's been brainwashed by the Chantry into thinking that's a good thing to do...and the torture makes it complete. Sad.)



Thank you for your thoughtful answers.

[Thor Rand Al]

Addai67 wrote...

OP, as a preface question, have you ever played the Morrigan romance?

Besides what the poster said up above about the tone with which the discussions with Morrigan have, i.e. that she is leaving because she feels she has to (IMO in large part because she feels she needs to protect the Warden), there is also the fact that she gives you a ring which in theory allows you to find her and vice versa.  So I read her saying "don't follow" as being heavily tinged with "but I secretly want you to."  She knows when she gives you this ring that she's going to do the ritual.  Why would she do such a thing if she really intended never to see him again or know anything about him?
 

*Is waiting for KoP to see this thread* lmao

I agree with you, actually during her whole romance conversation she can't make up her mind.  She wants to but she's never experienced a real relationship before.
As far as why she gives the ring, I don't think it really has anything to do with the ritual, I think it's based more on her feelings but then I didn't get the ring until after her n I had the tent scene and she was at +93 approval.  I believe she was already at love when I got the ring

As for the OP, have you actually played Morrigan's romance?  There's a lot more to Morrigan then whats on the surface.  Here's a couple of Morrigan's comments about the relationship and love.

Morrigan:  I feel anxious when I look upon you.  I dislike this sense of dependency.  Tis a weakness I abhor.  If this is "love" I wish to ascertain that you do not feel the same.

PC: And if I do love you?

Morrigan:  Then we are both fools, and we need to do something immediately.

Morrigan:  I have allowed myself to become... too close.  This is a weakness, for us both.

PC:  Love is not a weakness.

Conversation you have later when she refuses to join you in your tent.
Morrigan:  I warned you, did I not?  Told you that this is a weakness that was driving me mad.  And yet you insisted.

PC:  Why are you so frightened of this?

Morrigan:  Tis all so... unexpected.  I have no experience with any of it.

Morrigan:  And yet I find myself wanting it.  Hungering for it.  For you.

Morrigan:  That is not right, is it?  That is not how a normal woman acts?  I can see it in your eyes.

Morrigan:  Release me.  Tell me that you wish to end this.  Make me believe you and I... will be grateful.


This woman has NO CLUE about love, has no clue about real feeling's.  And when she does start getting them she literally freaks out.  Play her romance, and see deeper down then the person she show's to the world.  Morrigan cares but she's scared to death of it because she doesn't know how to handle it.  She's never seen love, experienced it, been shown love.  Your job is to teach her, show her, help her experience these feelings and this.  When she says her goodbye at the gate it will have a much deeper meaning and I truly think she wants the male PC to come after her especially if your still in the in-love stage.

Modifié par Thor Rand Al, 13 mai 2010 - 07:57 .

[Lintanis]

Can just see morrigan tracking you down a year later with baby in tow giving you grief on why u never went after her. "but you said not to follow you", "that obviously meant you were supposed to follow me, I thought you understood women your just like alistair" lol

[Terra_Ex]

blademaster7 wrote...

Before I proceed to answer you question I would like to ask a few questions to the women that romanced Alistair.

How many of you reloaded the landsmeet because you initially thought it would be a cool idea to have Loghain in your party? How many of you jumped back to the DR when you saw Riordan fall from the archdemon? And how many of you started a whole new playthrough as a Human Noble because you found out you can marry your favorite character?

Don't answer. I know the majority reloaded, and those who didn't, started a new game anyway. You didn't just say "meh" and then give up. That's right, you didn't let go. You kept trying and in the end you got what you wanted.

There are many reasonble excuses why would anyone follow her and refuse to give up. If you're  roleplaying a "Grey Warden to the bone" character that didn't romance her you will not let her go for the same reason Duncan didn't let Jory go. A friend of hers may feel betrayed or may worry about her safety to the point where he/she decides to break the promise.

For players that romanced her(which I assume is what you are interested in) I would use the key word hope. I was one of the few players that roleplayed a PC that tried to let her go but in the end he couldn't. I told Alistair I wouldn't bother and yet my Awakening ending said that the Grey Warden Commander ended up in Orlais looking for a dark haired sorceress. It wasn't my choice but there you have it. So, there is hope after all(there isn't really but just humour me here). My PC is a hopeless romantic(or an idiot, Alistair still owes me a boon, I should've stayed in Denerim).

He took a fireball in the face and then got chewed by a high-dragon-abomination in order to protect the woman he loves. He got back to camp and made a promise to Morrigan that he will always protect her.

And speaking of that promise, lets not forget the whole "Flemeth body-snatching" tale. If your character truly loves her, would he really let her and his child at the mercy of Flemeth? I think not.

A simple "don't follow me" without any explanation won't stop him. Flemeth didn't stop him, the archdemon didn't stop him.

After 60+ hours of putting your heart into the game you feel the need to get the most of it and it's characters. Even if you try to let go, you just can't. She owes my Warden a lot of answers, and they better be good ones. The epilogue hints some sort of continuation. In my opininon it is a false hope but I'm probably the only one who thinks this way. Most Morrigan fans are very optimistic for some reason.

I hated that ending to be honest, something I mentioned it countless times on these forums. I think I desrved better than that(and everyone else in my shoes really). I would rather not play the same ending again. So... the opinion of someone who hates her ending and yet decided not to let go must mean something... right?

If the writers ever give me the chance to wrap up that storyline then I'll take it. Whether it's tragedy, death or simply a happily ever after, I'll take it.

Damn blademaster, I'm almost moved to tears by that summation. Well said, and of course, my thoughts mirror your own

Modifié par Terra_Ex, 13 mai 2010 - 08:03 .

[Raiil]

What Morrigan wants may be irrelevant. There are several pressing reasons to go after her, and loving her is just one. My Alistair-loving fem!mage has the same option to go after Morrigan as does any male who romanced her.





She has a child, either yours or Alistair's or Loghain's. For some, you may wish to track her down not out of interference, but to see if she can aid them with her ~magical~ fertility treatment. Maybe the regret she conveys to her love is so strong that he thinks he can make it work. Maybe it's just morbid curiousity. * shrugs * I allow Morrigan to go off on her own, but I can see plenty of viable reasons to seek her out.

[Addai]

Lintanis wrote...

Can just see morrigan tracking you down a year later with baby in tow giving you grief on why u never went after her. "but you said not to follow you", "that obviously meant you were supposed to follow me, I thought you understood women your just like alistair" lol

No one said this.  Please give credit for some common sense.

However, we know from the epilogue that Morrigan will feel regret and sorrow over a Warden romance left behind.  Not exactly "well I ditched that chump, on to ruling the world!"  As seems to be a common (mis)conception of her character.

[Master Shiori]

blademaster7 wrote...

Before I proceed to answer you question I would like to ask a few questions to the women that romanced Alistair.

How many of you reloaded the landsmeet because you initially thought it would be a cool idea to have Loghain in your party? How many of you jumped back to the DR when you saw Riordan fall from the archdemon? And how many of you started a whole new playthrough as a Human Noble because you found out you can marry your favorite character?

Don't answer. I know the majority reloaded, and those who didn't, started a new game anyway. You didn't just say "meh" and then give up. That's right, you didn't let go. You kept trying and in the end you got what you wanted.

There are many reasonble excuses why would anyone follow her and refuse to give up. If you're  roleplaying a "Grey Warden to the bone" character that didn't romance her you will not let her go for the same reason Duncan didn't let Jory go. A friend of hers may feel betrayed or may worry about her safety to the point where he/she decides to break the promise.

For players that romanced her(which I assume is what you are interested in) I would use the key word hope. I was one of the few players that roleplayed a PC that tried to let her go but in the end he couldn't. I told Alistair I wouldn't bother and yet my Awakening ending said that the Grey Warden Commander ended up in Orlais looking for a dark haired sorceress. It wasn't my choice but there you have it. So, there is hope after all(there isn't really but just humour me here). My PC is a hopeless romantic(or an idiot, Alistair still owes me a boon, I should've stayed in Denerim).

He took a fireball in the face and then got chewed by a high-dragon-abomination in order to protect the woman he loves. He got back to camp and made a promise to Morrigan that he will always protect her.

And speaking of that promise, lets not forget the whole "Flemeth body-snatching" tale. If your character truly loves her, would he really let her and his child at the mercy of Flemeth? I think not.

A simple "don't follow me" without any explanation won't stop him. Flemeth didn't stop him, the archdemon didn't stop him.

After 60+ hours of putting your heart into the game you feel the need to get the most of it and it's characters. Even if you try to let go, you just can't. She owes my Warden a lot of answers, and they better be good ones. The epilogue hints some sort of continuation. In my opininon it is a false hope but I'm probably the only one who thinks this way. Most Morrigan fans are very optimistic for some reason.

I hated that ending to be honest, something I mentioned it countless times on these forums. I think I desrved better than that(and everyone else in my shoes really). I would rather not play the same ending again. So... the opinion of someone who hates her ending and yet decided not to let go must mean something... right?

If the writers ever give me the chance to wrap up that storyline then I'll take it. Whether it's tragedy, death or simply a happily ever after, I'll take it.

Blademaster summed up my thought quite nicely.

I'll just add another important reason why Morrigan fans want to see a reunion between her and the Warden.

Unlike those who romanced Alistair, Leliana or Zevran, we never had a choice to determine how our romance will end.
No matter how hard the whole dark ritual might have been for Alistair fans, for us it came down to "damned if you do, damned if you don't". Imagine if you were faced with a choice that results in your lover leaving regardless of what you decide. Now imagine if you can't even ask a simple question like "why?".

For Morrigan fans roleplaying and choice had meaning until the dark ritual. There we felt like the writers took us for a ride where all we could do was watch in horror as the one thing we cared about was taken from us and we didn't even have a choice in the matter.

Everyone who didn't have to experience that should put themselves in our shoes and put Alistair/Leliana/Zevran in Morrigan's place and then say what they'd do if that was the ending to their romance.

I think we can all guess what the answer would be.

[Raiil]

Master Shiori wrote...

blademaster7 wrote...

Before I proceed to answer you question I would like to ask a few questions to the women that romanced Alistair.

How many of you reloaded the landsmeet because you initially thought it would be a cool idea to have Loghain in your party? How many of you jumped back to the DR when you saw Riordan fall from the archdemon? And how many of you started a whole new playthrough as a Human Noble because you found out you can marry your favorite character?

Don't answer. I know the majority reloaded, and those who didn't, started a new game anyway. You didn't just say "meh" and then give up. That's right, you didn't let go. You kept trying and in the end you got what you wanted.

There are many reasonble excuses why would anyone follow her and refuse to give up. If you're  roleplaying a "Grey Warden to the bone" character that didn't romance her you will not let her go for the same reason Duncan didn't let Jory go. A friend of hers may feel betrayed or may worry about her safety to the point where he/she decides to break the promise.

For players that romanced her(which I assume is what you are interested in) I would use the key word hope. I was one of the few players that roleplayed a PC that tried to let her go but in the end he couldn't. I told Alistair I wouldn't bother and yet my Awakening ending said that the Grey Warden Commander ended up in Orlais looking for a dark haired sorceress. It wasn't my choice but there you have it. So, there is hope after all(there isn't really but just humour me here). My PC is a hopeless romantic(or an idiot, Alistair still owes me a boon, I should've stayed in Denerim).

He took a fireball in the face and then got chewed by a high-dragon-abomination in order to protect the woman he loves. He got back to camp and made a promise to Morrigan that he will always protect her.

And speaking of that promise, lets not forget the whole "Flemeth body-snatching" tale. If your character truly loves her, would he really let her and his child at the mercy of Flemeth? I think not.

A simple "don't follow me" without any explanation won't stop him. Flemeth didn't stop him, the archdemon didn't stop him.

After 60+ hours of putting your heart into the game you feel the need to get the most of it and it's characters. Even if you try to let go, you just can't. She owes my Warden a lot of answers, and they better be good ones. The epilogue hints some sort of continuation. In my opininon it is a false hope but I'm probably the only one who thinks this way. Most Morrigan fans are very optimistic for some reason.

I hated that ending to be honest, something I mentioned it countless times on these forums. I think I desrved better than that(and everyone else in my shoes really). I would rather not play the same ending again. So... the opinion of someone who hates her ending and yet decided not to let go must mean something... right?

If the writers ever give me the chance to wrap up that storyline then I'll take it. Whether it's tragedy, death or simply a happily ever after, I'll take it.

Blademaster summed up my thought quite nicely.

I'll just add another important reason why Morrigan fans want to see a reunion between her and the Warden.

Unlike those who romanced Alistair, Leliana or Zevran, we never had a choice to determine how our romance will end.
No matter how hard the whole dark ritual might have been for Alistair fans, for us it came down to "damned if you do, damned if you don't". Imagine if you were faced with a choice that results in your lover leaving regardless of what you decide. Now imagine if you can't even ask a simple question like "why?".

For Morrigan fans roleplaying and choice had meaning until the dark ritual. There we felt like the writers took us for a ride where all we could do was watch in horror as the one thing we cared about was taken from us and we didn't even have a choice in the matter.

Everyone who didn't have to experience that should put themselves in our shoes and put Alistair/Leliana/Zevran in Morrigan's place and then say what they'd do if that was the ending to their romance.

I think we can all guess what the answer would be.

That's an excellent point. In fact, in the epilogue for Awakenings, don't Zevran romancers take off after him as well? As an Alistair girl, if he had disappeared my mage would have dropped everything to go after him. And hell, half of the ff for Alistair is for when Alistair leaves and they have to go find him afterwards. :/

[Brockololly]

Thor Rand Al wrote...

This woman has NO CLUE about love, has no clue about real feeling's.  And when she does start getting them she literally freaks out.  Play her romance, and see deeper down then the person she show's to the world.  Morrigan cares but she's scared to death of it because she doesn't know how to handle it.  She's never seen love, experienced it, been shown love.  Your job is to teach her, show her, help her experience these feelings and this.  When she says her goodbye at the gate it will have a much deeper meaning and I truly think she wants the male PC to come after her especially if your still in the in-love stage.

Bingo- Morrigan is really an emotional trainwreck once she starts falling for the PC. SHe's grown up being indoctrinated by Flemeth that love is a cancer, love is a weakness, love is death and then whoops! She starts falling in love and has no idea how to react to that. Of course the other side to the equation is why she feels compelled to leave and why she doesn't want the Warden around- maybe its due to a more pragmatic reason like her being part of a Dragon Cult or maybe its just that she doesn't know how to deal with her emotions.

Even at the gates if you tell her you'll find her, all she says is "I do not think that would be wise."
Or you can say this:

PC: I was hoping you might have changed your mind.
Morrigan: It... is tempting. You do not know how much. But, no. That would not be wise.

So if you're romancing Morrigan its not exactly like she is giving you death threats or threatening to turn the PC into a frog if you chase after her. I think she kind of expects the PC to eventually come knocking- the thing that we don't know is why does she think it would not "be wise" to look for her? 



@Blademaster:  *Stands up and starts slow clap*

[tom2504]

Blademaster and Thor Rand AI


Well said both of you!

[Lintanis]

Addai67 wrote...

Lintanis wrote...

Can just see morrigan tracking you down a year later with baby in tow giving you grief on why u never went after her. "but you said not to follow you", "that obviously meant you were supposed to follow me, I thought you understood women your just like alistair" lol

No one said this.  Please give credit for some common sense..

Wow how to miss a joke :D