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[MerinTB]

UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...
my side is awsome but your side can be good at times ..2d ff games chrono trigger and zelda series

I don't have a side.

Liking one game doesn't mean I have to bash another.

Because I point out how flawed and needless your arguments are, how wrong you are about when innovations happened, or that your opinions are just that - your opinions - doesn't mean I dislike the games you like.

I like both FF6, 7 and 13
AND
KotOR, Mass Effect and Dragon Age

me liking the Ultima series
doesn't conflict
with me liking the Golden Sun series

nor does my having not played Deus Ex, not caring to try Diablo 2, or not liking Morrowind
make ironic
that I have not played the Star Ocean games, have no interest in Xenosaga, and did not like Secret of Mana.

Ok?

Don't say I have a side in the JRPG vs. Western RPG stupidity -
unless it's the side calling said stupidity "stupidity", that'd be the side I belong to.

[Batman90]

MerinTB wrote...

UBER GEEKZILLA wrote...
my side is awsome but your side can be good at times ..2d ff games chrono trigger and zelda series

I don't have a side.

Liking one game doesn't mean I have to bash another.

Because I point out how flawed and needless your arguments are, how wrong you are about when innovations happened, or that your opinions are just that - your opinions - doesn't mean I dislike the games you like.

I like both FF6, 7 and 13
AND
KotOR, Mass Effect and Dragon Age

me liking the Ultima series
doesn't conflict
with me liking the Golden Sun series

nor does my having not played Deus Ex, not caring to try Diablo 2, or not liking Morrowind
make ironic
that I have not played the Star Ocean games, have no interest in Xenosaga, and did not like Secret of Mana.

Ok?

Don't say I have a side in the JRPG vs. Western RPG stupidity -
unless it's the side calling said stupidity "stupidity", that'd be the side I belong to.

/claps

[the_one_54321]

I'm calling troll at this point. The complaints about JRPGs in this thread have devolved to complete idiocy or really bad trolling.

[UBER GEEKZILLA]

hey we are all just haveing a good argument i accept peoples opoinions and im just expressing mine i can see why some people like ff games..some like the slow tactical turn based combat i admit it makes you think. i just find it boring and like full on action like in mass effect.on the other hand dragon age kinda mixed in alittle bit of both and i thought it mixed well

[UBER GEEKZILLA]

oh and im sorry i made it seem like we all MUST take sides, thats totaall bogus many friends i know play a bit of both and thats perfectly fine...and sorry about the false info like fallout being the first wastland rpg that was false...however i do consider it to be the most defining of wasteland rpgs games. like notice right when fallout 3 came out everyone started making wasteland rpgs like borderlands. now we got rage coming out and...i think bulletstorm counts but i dont know too much about it yet

[the_one_54321]

That's much better, thank you. I really like action games too. I also am happy to go on a cinematic rail ride from time to time. Different strokes for different folks. I'm looking forward to FFXIII:Versus, and I'm expecting it to be more open than what we saw in FFXIII. I still need to pick of Resonance of Fate and Heavy Rain.

[enormousmoonboots]

...I'm pretty sure that calling Fallout 3 the definitive wasteland RPG and ignoring Fallout 1 and 2 is surefire indication of either trolling or casual.

[UBER GEEKZILLA]

yeah i apologize i take games really REALLY seroiusly so i kinda rant at times lol please forgive me

oh and when i say fallout is the definitive wasteland rpg i meen the whole series not just fallout 3

[HTTP 404]

Honestly I dont care if Mass Effect 1 and 2 were in the genre of games called Fart Strategy Role Shooter. I like the game and could care less about categorizations and labeling.



With that said, I do respect some arguments brought up in here that I read but I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in with the lot.

[Amununrama]

Good to see some good and logical arguments here. The whole east versus west argument becomes very dull after a while after all. I play both of the "genres" and I cannot honestly say I prefer Final Fantasy games, although two are bieng delivered to my house today.



I reckon on an evidence basis, the bioware D and D foundation makes it more of an RPG as D and D was the first definitive RPG that literally wrote the rule book on the genre in terms of it attributes and content, though I still thoroughly enjoy jrpgs as well, I just think that westren RPG's are changing with the times more and are creating better experiences for gamers than the same old cut and paste approach

[FlintlockJazz]

This amuses me. Bioware always struck me as occupying the middle ground between the sandbox WRPGs and the storycentric JRPGs with a growing emphasis on the story, so for them to come out with that is giggleworthy.



Both types are changing in different ways, Bioware saying this just smacks of "Batman would so beat Wolverine in a fight!" style smacktalk.

[FarplaneGuide]

Well, while we can argue is it an rpg or is it even a good game, Final Fantasy 13 seems to be selling
well. So it must be doing something right.


http://kotaku.com/55...llions-millions

5.5 million units is impressive.

[Batman90]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

This amuses me. Bioware always struck me as occupying the middle ground between the sandbox WRPGs and the storycentric JRPGs with a growing emphasis on the story

 
That's how I felt about BioWare's RPGs, as well. They're getting closer and closer to creating the perfect combination of both worlds.

Both types are changing in different ways, Bioware saying this just smacks of "Batman would so beat Wolverine in a fight!" style smacktalk.

To be fair, Batman would most certainly beat Wolverine in a fight.

[Twitchmonkey]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

This amuses me. Bioware always struck me as occupying the middle ground between the sandbox WRPGs and the storycentric JRPGs with a growing emphasis on the story, so for them to come out with that is giggleworthy.

Both types are changing in different ways, Bioware saying this just smacks of "Batman would so beat Wolverine in a fight!" style smacktalk.

I think the difference is that BW is trying to show that you can have a strong narrative while still allowing the player to make decisions for their character. JRPGs lack that essential aspect and oftentimes don't even have much going on in the story department. BW games do tend to have more of a narrative focus and a bit less of the sandbox aspect, but I'd still say they are firmly within the WRPG genre.

[FlintlockJazz]

Batman90 wrote...

FlintlockJazz wrote...

This amuses me. Bioware always struck me as occupying the middle ground between the sandbox WRPGs and the storycentric JRPGs with a growing emphasis on the story

 
That's how I felt about BioWare's RPGs, as well. They're getting closer and closer to creating the perfect combination of both worlds.

Yep, they are a prime example of how both types of RPG bring something worthwhile to the table, though others have taken note and have started to combine them too, V:tM Bloodlines for example, though they are still the most successful of the lot.

Batman90 wrote...

Both types are changing in different ways, Bioware saying this just smacks of "Batman would so beat Wolverine in a fight!" style smacktalk.

To be fair, Batman would most certainly beat Wolverine in a fight.

Well, yeah, it was a bad example to be far, I mean Batman can take on Superman too, the man's a god...a BatGod!  It wouldn't be a fair fight, and yet some insist otherwise out of some misguided belief in Wolvy.  Hell, '70s Batman would just open his Bat Utility belt and pull out his Bat Wolvy-B-Gone spray and *Biff!* *Bash!* *Bosh!* *Kablam!* *Toffee Crisps!* it would be all over! 

[the_one_54321]

BioWare can't go farther with their stories unless they drop the "variable protagonist" syndrome. Which I doubt they'll do. I don't see this as a problem, since what they're doing now works just fine except for their lack of polish on their story-worlds and releases. As I've said elsewhere I'd much rather them work on that polish.



The thing is that "variable protagonist" is a severely limiting feature for intricate story development. It opens up so many variables that you have writers spending time on fleshing out multiple avenues, where writers with a fixed protagonist can spend more time creating deeper interactions, since they know the character of the protagonist while they're writing.



Both avenues have their strengths and their weaknesses, and gamers just need to accept that there is a strict trade off when choosing one or the other. Deeper story and interaction means less variability in the character. One could say that the variability of the protagonist is inversely proportional to the intricacies of the character interactions available.