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[KitsuneRommel]

Eyesofjon wrote...

If this was the case then intelligent people would never commit heinous acts, which is obviously not what history has shown it.

Mental illnesses etc.

You claim that because the Geth are able to understand right and wrong that the Reapers should as well. Unfortunately the reapers were not created by humans like the Geth,

The Geth were NOT created by humans.

and according to Sovereign not created by anything at all, the first reapers simply "Were". They existed way before organic life did, and seem to care little about organics other then to use them as tools.

Which would make ME a science fantasy and I really hope it's not  something as lame.

[William Adama]

Darkhour wrote...

William Adama wrote...

I think you intend to mean the Old testament deity, not the New testament; something that Marcion the "heretic" also discovered when instructed by Constantine to write the modern Bible.

No, I mean the New Testament. The Old Testament god is a war deity specific to the ancient Isrealite culture.

Matthew 13: 24-30

Revelations 14:14-20

The modern Judeo-Christian deity is a non-linear entity that exists in all frames of time at once due to the claim it created the universe; it existed before linear time. It does not think or act linearly, it does not actively interfere with free willed agents, it is not anthropomorphic. It is a unfathomable entity responsible for the origination of our universe. The philosophical logic of such an entity is (dare I say) very, very interesting. 

This entity is completely unlike the Reapers. I don't even see how Bioware could have written the Reapers as such.

The New Testament god has many similarities to the reapers. The parables of Jesus are an obvious parallel to the intent of the reapers.

There is no judeo-christian deity. The jewish faith does not recognize "god the man" or a Trinity. The jewish god is their god and does not care about gentiles. As a whole the biblical deity(s) are akin to most cultures' mythologies: Human personas with supernatural powers.

Fascinating, I never learned that in my University religions courses which covered the texts of the Big 3 from a historical and literary perspective.
 
How do you interpret allegorical exegesis of scripture? Why is the stylistic writings with regards to the said deity in parable format as opposed to literary writings that were main stream in the era of the Old and New testament?
How is Matthew 13: 24-30 interpreted as a anything else other than exegesis of the day of judgment? How would you interpret the Prodigal Son? How about Mark 3: 28-30? Mark 4: 1-34? Mark 7: 9-30?

Read the Apocrypha, it explains the meaning of each parable. You are also referring to the temple Pharisees who rejected such a preaching, the very people whom condemned this individual to death.

Also, it was said by Psalms, Macabees, Exodus, Genesis and the New Testament that this deity is not the deity of the Hebrew people, but of the Hebrew faith. To quote Islam, " There is no God but God." There are even more universal deity examples too numerous to mention spoken in the New Testament. Please research (and understand) before posting.

[Darkhour]

William Adama wrote...

Fascinating, I never learned that in my University religions courses which covered the texts of the Big 3 from a historical and literary perspective.

How do you interpret allegorical exegesis of scripture? Why is the stylistic writings with regards to the said deity in parable format as opposed to literary writings that were main stream in the era of the Old and New testament?
How is Matthew 13: 24-30 interpreted as a anything else other than exegesis of the day of judgment? How would you interpret the Prodigal Son? How about Mark 3: 28-30? Mark 4: 1-34? Mark 7: 9-30?

Read the Apocrypha, it explains the meaning of each parable. You are also referring to the temple Pharisees who rejected such a preaching, the very people whom condemned this individual to death.

Also, it was said by Psalms, Macabees, Exodus, Genesis and the New Testament that this deity is not the deity of the Hebrew people, but of the Hebrew faith. To quote Islam, " There is no God but God." There are even more universal deity examples too numerous to mention spoken in the New Testament. Please research (and understand) before posting.

Jews do not care about the New Testament nor do they acknowledge Jesus as god or prophet.  The Jewish god is their god and theirs alone. It is not concerned with gentiles. A "jew" that believes in the divinity of Jesus and the New Testament is a Christian, not a Jew. My point was that Christians and Jews have two different gods (ie. there is no judeo-christian god).

Anyways, I stand by what I have said. The harvest of organics by the reapers is akin to the harvest referred to in the New Testament of mankind. I'm not stating that Jesus is going to make a new angel out of humanity or that there is a Judgement Day every 50,000 year.

But thanks anyway for dictating to me how I am supposed to understand this subject. For surely there is no room in theology or philosophy for individual thought and interpretation. Religion is clearly a text book science. Forgive me.

Modifié par Darkhour, 21 mai 2010 - 12:53 .

[William Adama]

Darkhour wrote...

William Adama wrote...

Fascinating, I never learned that in my University religions courses which covered the texts of the Big 3 from a historical and literary perspective.

How do you interpret allegorical exegesis of scripture? Why is the stylistic writings with regards to the said deity in parable format as opposed to literary writings that were main stream in the era of the Old and New testament?
How is Matthew 13: 24-30 interpreted as a anything else other than exegesis of the day of judgment? How would you interpret the Prodigal Son? How about Mark 3: 28-30? Mark 4: 1-34? Mark 7: 9-30?

Read the Apocrypha, it explains the meaning of each parable. You are also referring to the temple Pharisees who rejected such a preaching, the very people whom condemned this individual to death.

Also, it was said by Psalms, Macabees, Exodus, Genesis and the New Testament that this deity is not the deity of the Hebrew people, but of the Hebrew faith. To quote Islam, " There is no God but God." There are even more universal deity examples too numerous to mention spoken in the New Testament. Please research (and understand) before posting.

Jews do not care about the New Testament nor do they acknowledge Jesus as god or prophet.  The Jewish god is their god and theirs alone. It is not concerned with gentiles. A "jew" that believes in the divinity of Jesus and the New Testament is a Christian, not a Jew. My point was that Christians and Jews have two different gods (ie. there is no judeo-christian god).

Anyways, I stand by what I have said. The harvest of organics by the reapers is akin to the harvest referred to in the New Testament of mankind. I'm not stating that Jesus is going to make a new angel out of humanity or that there is a Judgement Day every 50,000 year.

But thanks anyway for dictating to me how I am supposed to understand this subject. For surely there is no room in theology or philosophy for individual thought and interpretation. Religion is clearly a text book science. Forgive me.

I'm sorry, but the entity in question is SHARED between the 2 faiths :
http://en.wikipedia....Judeo-Christian
Comparing the 2 religions is akin to comparing Catholicism to Protestants or Orthodoxy, they all still believe in the exact same Thomas Aquinas creator.

And with regards to your lattermost comment, the first thing I was taught as a science undergrad is that empiricism is a collection of theories that cannot be proven, only disproven. Facts and truth are not the goal of scientific research, only progression of human "understanding" of the universe by testable means. We (as scientists) are tasked with IMPROVING and DISPROVING theories, never on PROVING them.

The reason fact cannot exist is because absolute understanding by human minds are impossible, we can only have relative truths. Theories that exist today have been able to withstand counter evidence, so far. That is why they are being taught. But, science understands that they are ALL wrong. Science will be on an unending quest to fine tune theories until the end of our species,  that is why it is so fantastic.

So in essence your comment has great merit, science can be comparable to religious/philosophical interpretations! And I am not dictating an infalliable interpretation of the philosophical texts, only an "improved" way. What meaning you get from exegetical texts is in accordance to your mindset when you read it.

My point to you is that you must approach the source material as a member of the intented audience, doing as such permits you to extract the meaning of the words as they were meant to be presented. These parables were not written for "other" people, this is why they find the words nonsensical. It's like giving a Chinese individual a parchment written in Mayan, it doesn't make sense to the asian because it is written for the intended Mayan audience. 

[Wildecker]

Adriano87 wrote...

@William Adama
but I think that the God of Jews and Muslims is one specific God, its not like Trinity of the Christians ... also there was branches of Christianity that had believed in one God and haven't count Jesus as a god. like Arianism.

I offer a simple analogy for the Trinity issue.
When you look at the sun, you go blind. When you wish to scan for sunspots with your eyes, you catch the light on some plain white surface and look at the image.
God is the sun, the Spirit is the light, and Jesus is the plain white surface. Special, because on coloured surfaces you wouldn't spot a thing.
Remember - if I heard the story right, God did not talk to Mohamed "in person", but had the message relayed through the Angel Gabriel?

Modifié par Wildecker, 21 mai 2010 - 12:20 .

[FuturePasTimeCE]

 Well according to the Reapers, the Protheans weren't the first super advanced highly intelligent prehistoric race they wiped out. Maybe what ever race they originally wiped out were the super intelligent organic race that first created them. Kind of remind me of the Halo Legends' Origins story, Metroid Prime's Chozo's (a highly cultured, technological and intelligent race gone extinct), Star Gate's Egyptian/Greek mythology references, or the Super intelligent Q's from the Star Trek series. Did I just spammed or spoiled something? *wants to mention stuff about Sovereign in Mass Effect 1, The Keepers, Protheans Biological make up/traits, and the Rachini without causing a problem.*

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 21 mai 2010 - 12:38 .

[William Adama]

Adriano87 wrote...

@William Adama
but I think that the God of Jews and Muslims is one specific God, its not like Trinity of the Christians ... also there was branches of Christianity that had believed in one God and haven't count Jesus as a god. like Arianism.

Umm I guess so...  but they all believe in the same omnipotent entity that is beyond human comprehension, the triune nature of God was created to account for Jesus' begotten origins.

As I understand it the Trinity represents 3 faces of one entity called God; there was God the Father (creator of our Universe), God the Son (Jesus, emissary to Man - the perfect human) and God the Holy Spirit (spirit of all life). They are all the same entity, but different faces of one being due the essence of omnipotence, God had no beginning thusly God has no creator. It's very complex and I don't even really understand it (apparently man is not supposed to understand it)... 

To bring this topic to full circle, God is the grandest thing man has brought forth and the logistics of having a grander intelligence is equatable to perfect morality. This is why I find it hard to believe that the Reapers are more barbaric than simpler life that occupies the Galaxy.