cruc1al wrote...
Anyone feel like there's going to be some sort of alliance between humans and reapers that don't agree with Harbringer? Sort of reaper rebels? Like the alliance between humans and cylon rebels in BSG?
annihilator27 wrote...
cruc1al wrote...
Anyone feel like there's going to be some sort of alliance between humans and reapers that don't agree with Harbringer? Sort of reaper rebels? Like the alliance between humans and cylon rebels in BSG?
That would be interesting, Reapers fighting amongst themselves.
cruc1al wrote...
annihilator27 wrote...
cruc1al wrote...
Anyone feel like there's going to be some sort of alliance between humans and reapers that don't agree with Harbringer? Sort of reaper rebels? Like the alliance between humans and cylon rebels in BSG?
That would be interesting, Reapers fighting amongst themselves.
But I must agree with Icinix, it would be a disappointingly lame cliche. It almost reeks of a deus ex solution. "Hey suddenly there's a civil war between them, just when they were about to destroy us".
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Remember the context when the term was created. It was an excuse for the British to start terror bombing campaigns on the German people, because they were held responsable for their government. Same logic applied to the atomic bombing of Japan. Stalin definately used that logic to allow his troops to rape their way to Berlin.
Same logic is applied to "collective punishment".
Collective guilt may exist. But to use it to justify collective punishment and mass murder (which is what it was historically used for) may be a quite dangerous belief.
cruc1al wrote...
Anyone feel like there's going to be some sort of alliance between humans and reapers that don't agree with Harbringer? Sort of reaper rebels? Like the alliance between humans and cylon rebels in BSG?
Tirigon wrote...
But, on the other hand, it is naive to say only Hitler / Stalin / other tyrants are the bad guys. They could not have done anything without other people working for them.
All of Jewry was to be held responsable for the acts of some Jewish Bolsheviks (and there is no doubt there were many of them).
Tirigon wrote...
cruc1al wrote...
Anyone feel like there's going to be some sort of alliance between humans and reapers that don't agree with Harbringer? Sort of reaper rebels? Like the alliance between humans and cylon rebels in BSG?
So far there is nothing pointing to that. And I have to say, I am quite glad about that.
I mean, even if some reapers disagree with Harbinger I would expect them to wait with their civil war until they´re done with their human / asari / turian / etc / ... enemies.
Oh? Do tell what those Jewish Bolsheviks did. Never knew this.
Costin_Razvan wrote...
All of Jewry was to be held responsable for the acts of some Jewish Bolsheviks (and there is no doubt there were many of them).
Oh? Do tell what those Jewish Bolsheviks did. Never knew this.
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Costin_Razvan wrote...
All of Jewry was to be held responsable for the acts of some Jewish Bolsheviks (and there is no doubt there were many of them).
Oh? Do tell what those Jewish Bolsheviks did. Never knew this.
What I meant is a lot of Jews (or so called Jews, depends on how you define being "Jewish") were heavily involved in the communist revolution and the subsequent Bolshevik government. So the Jewish Bolshevik conspiracy, while mostly false, was not made up of thin air.
William Adama wrote...
A common misconception that I feel needs addressing; the Jewish religion technically did not arise until AFTER the establishment of Christianity. Historically speaking, pre-Christian theists whom followed the Septuagint (Greek translated Hebrew testament) and the Old Testament were called Hebrew.
Both Christianity and Judaism are a branch of the religion Hebrew (as is Islam). What differentiates Hebrew from Judaism is the Mishanh (oral torah) which allowed Old testament followers to decentralize their faith in response to the destruction of the Temple at Jerusalem by the Romans.
Costin_Razvan wrote...
Tigiron: Following your logic then every German should be sentenced to death.
SuperMedbh wrote...
But in Mass Effect, we have the human race saying "No acension for me, thank you very much". I doubt that the Reapers think of themselves as evil, per se. They're just helping the evolution of the species along (or at least the human species).
SuperMedbh wrote...
Nifty thread. I wonder how many of you have read Childhood's End by Clarke? It's a great book, so I won't spoil it if you haven't. (Synopsis here) If you've read it, do you see any parallels between the Overmind and the Reapers? And for that matter, the Overlords and the Collectors? The big difference is that Clarke presents mankind's metamorphosis as something inevitable, and even desirable in the grand scheme of things. But in Mass Effect, we have the human race saying "No acension for me, thank you very much". I doubt that the Reapers think of themselves as evil, per se. They're just helping the evolution of the species along (or at least the human species).
Tirigon wrote...
SuperMedbh wrote...
But in Mass Effect, we have the human race saying "No acension for me, thank you very much". I doubt that the Reapers think of themselves as evil, per se. They're just helping the evolution of the species along (or at least the human species).
If the reapers were just helpers, they would accept if a race disagrees to "evolve" and not wipe them out.
cruc1al wrote...
Tirigon wrote...
If the reapers were just helpers, they would accept if a race disagrees to "evolve" and not wipe them out.
Unless they think the disagreeing races don't know what they want/need.
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Tirigon wrote...
Costin_Razvan wrote...
Tigiron: Following your logic then every German should be sentenced to death.
Of course not. As said, the individual people are not responsible, and most of those who were adults in 1945 are already dead anyways.
However, I think it was a mistake to recreate the German state as quickly as 1949. It would have been better to occupy Germany for longer, and Germany shouldn´t be allowed to have an army. Would not only be a justified consequence of the N@zi rule but also have the advantage that we Germans wouldn´t have to serve in the armyB).
It was quite some trouble to get my T5 (that means I´m considered to be unable to become soldier and thus don´t have to waste 9 months in the army!)
Ah ... maybe you wouldn't know, but the British Army of the Rhine, the Red Army and the U.S. Army stayed until the early nineties. And they had special jurisdiction - German police had no authority inside their barracks. So occupation didn't just end in 1949.Tirigon wrote...
Costin_Razvan wrote...
Tigiron: Following your logic then every German should be sentenced to death.
Of course not. As said, the individual people are not responsible, and most of those who were adults in 1945 are already dead anyways.
However, I think it was a mistake to recreate the German state as quickly as 1949. It would have been better to occupy Germany for longer, and Germany shouldn´t be allowed to have an army. Would not only be a justified consequence of the N@zi rule but also have the advantage that we Germans wouldn´t have to serve in the armyB).
Warmduscher. Zu meiner Zeit waren das noch 15 Monate bzw. 456 Tage "und der Rest von heute ..."Tirigon wrote...
It was quite some trouble to get my T5 (that means I´m considered to be unable to become soldier and thus don´t have to waste 9 months in the army!)
Wildecker wrote...
Ah ... maybe you wouldn't know, but the British Army of the Rhine, the Red Army and the U.S. Army stayed until the early nineties. And they had special jurisdiction - German police had no authority inside their barracks. So occupation didn't just end in 1949.
The West German army was re-created in 1955, with the East German Army more or less in the same timeframe. My father volunteered to get away from the small village he was born and raised, and his unit shared barracks with the British.
Linke faule Zecke FTW!Warmduscher. Zu meiner Zeit waren das noch 15 Monate bzw. 456 Tage "und der Rest von heute ..."Tirigon wrote...
It was quite some trouble to get my T5 (that means I´m considered to be unable to become soldier and thus don´t have to waste 9 months in the army!)
:P:P:P:P:P (meint mich btw)
Adriano87 wrote...
you're lucky so far, the serving in the army takes 24 months in our country! but I'm going to be Exempt. yes, the murderers has died and punishing old men and woman has no use in bringing back the innocents who had been killed by them. in trying to expand our view about the penalty of death, I agree with execution in future cases.
KitsuneRommel wrote...
Actually we could expand that to the victors too. http://en.wikipedia....ng_World_War_II
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