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[syllogi]

Very interesting!  I do have to note one thing, though, from the Spacer Background, Shepard's mother's name is Hannah Shepard.

sagequeen wrote...

Spacer
Some love that Spacer is an option with parents – so many RPGs have the hero as the requisite orphan. With Spacer, you meet your mother – Elizabeth – a captain of a ship in her own right – during your unique PSH quest. No mention is made of your father, so some assume this means you came from a broken family, while others say this is simply an oversight. Spacer has no major childhood/youth traumas that we are told of. Spacer is also, it seems, the background that is the most well-off, most well-traveled, and most well-educated.

[sagefic]

TeenZombie wrote...

Very interesting!  I do have to note one thing, though, from the Spacer Background, Shepard's mother's name is Hannah Shepard.

sagequeen wrote...

Spacer
Some love that Spacer is an option with parents – so many RPGs have the hero as the requisite orphan. With Spacer, you meet your mother – Elizabeth – a captain of a ship in her own right – during your unique PSH quest. No mention is made of your father, so some assume this means you came from a broken family, while others say this is simply an oversight. Spacer has no major childhood/youth traumas that we are told of. Spacer is also, it seems, the background that is the most well-off, most well-traveled, and most well-educated.

gah my bad. will edit. ty

[scorptatious]

Cool thread. My male Shep is a colonist/sole survivor, yet he is also a paragon.



Miranda does comment on on an Earthborn FemShep's lack of formal education BTW.

[sagefic]

scorptatious wrote...

Cool thread. My male Shep is a colonist/sole survivor, yet he is also a paragon.

Miranda does comment on on an Earthborn FemShep's lack of formal education BTW.

huh. must've missed this.

any other dialog in game that i missed? miranda and morinth, apparently (not as many playthroughs logged on ME2 yet)

[sagefic]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Yeah I always interpreted Torfan as a bloody but necessary task, like storming the Normandy beaches.

this.

i like this. that's just a really neat way to see it. i'm going for a paragon that's almost a warrior-monk type: like Shep's heard of justicaars and has made that his/her model. i also like the idea of a spiritual (not necessary like Ashley, but still) Shep. i dunno, the whole "back from the dead" thing has got to make hi/her wonder.

and there's something about the ruthless turned paragon that just seems so...epic Kirosawa samurai film to me. yeah? 

i also play a skinny little blonde adept (most look like my sig pic - some variation) which i find hilarious that someone that looks like a ballerina would be so dangerous. now...thinking...ruthless....

Modifié par sagequeen, 14 mai 2010 - 05:31 .

[Spectre 117]

Do you have all the dialog for the spacer/war hero/paragon?

[sagefic]

Spectre 117 wrote...

Do you have all the dialog for the spacer/war hero/paragon?

No. still looking for dialog. i *know* a lot of it (played this toon just a few months back). if anyone finds a link of all dialog related to background, can you post it?

What I do know (this is from memory, so bear with me):

Intro
Udina: Well, what about Shepard? He's a spacer, lived aboard starships most of his life.
Anderson: Military service runs in the family. Both his parents were in the navy.
Hackett: He proved himself in the Blitz. Held off enemy forces on the ground until reinforcements arrived.
Anderson: He's the only reason Elysium is still standing.
Udina: We can't question his courage.
Anderson: Humanity needs a hero, and Shepard's the best we've got. (you get this regardless)

w/ Jenkins talking about Spectres:
Jenkins: Hey commander. You'd make a good Spectre. You're a War Hero, right? Held off an entire enemy attack all by yourself. That's the kind of talent the Spectres are looking for.

w/ Nihilus:
Nihilus: You held off an enemy attack singlehanded. You showed not only remarkable courage, but also incredible skill.

if female, Kaidan says after eden prime:
Kaidan: Besides, my father served. It made him proud when I enlisted - eventually. But is that why you're here, because of your family?
Shepard (paragon answer is the only one that advances this line of dialog): I was a regular navy brat. Just got a little more noteworthy than the folks expected.
KAidan: Aw, that's right, the Blitz. I imagine that bought you any post in the fleet....etc.

Ashley after eden prime says, if you comfort her about Jenkins and are nice to her: Thanks commander. I've never met anyone who was awarded the Star of Terra before.
Shepard (renegade? option to bottom left - only one that advances this line of dialog): There's nothing special about me Williams. Anyone would have done the same.
Ashley: Held off an entire enemy platoon? Alone? With all due respect, commander, I think you have someone looking out for you.

Navigator Presley (talking about his service - after you are made a Spectre): I signed up with the navy right out of school. My first posting was aboard the Agincourt...blah blah, I forget...something about going to the Blitz....Those pirates were no match for an alliance frigate. Of course the only reason the colony was still standing was because of you. Can't believe you held out as long as you did.

Shiera (consort): I see you. Your uniform fits as if you were born wearing it. You are a soldier through and through (or something like that) solitary, alone. It gives you strength. It is this strength that guides you. It is why you lead and others follow without question. You will need this strength in the battles to come. (The last 3 lines are for any background).

and after Virmire, the survivor asks you about how you coped with loosing those at the blitz. if you choose the paragon option to advance this line of dialog you say: It was my responsibility to get those people out alive. I failed. I promised to do better for their sakes. (this is probably the same for all PP)

soo...that's what i remember anyhow. may have been mushing them in my head. 

[caffinefiend23]

[quote]sagequeen wrote...


No. still looking for dialog. i *know* a lot of it (played this toon just a few months back). if anyone finds a link of all dialog related to background, can you post it?


Shiera (consort): I see you. Your uniform fits as if you were born wearing it. You are a soldier through and through (or something like that) solitary, alone. It gives you strength. It is this strength that guides you. It is why you lead and others follow without question. You will need this strength in the battles to come. (The last 3 lines are for any background).
~For a sole survivor, the quote is almost exactly the same... though after, "it is this strength that guides you..." It then continues on "That is why you survived when so many around you were dying." For a ruthless military background, it's something along the lines of "that is why allies respect you and enemies fear you. Very few dare stand against you," or something very close to that.

and after Virmire, the survivor asks you about how you coped with loosing those at the blitz. if you choose the paragon option to advance this line of dialog you say: It was my responsibility to get those people out alive. I failed. I promised to do better for their sakes. (this is probably the same for all PP)
~Yep

I've been doing some ME1 playthroughs on my 'alts' and have a little extra info I can share if you'd like. Just drop me a message and I can share with ya the various dialogues I've gotten (and remember.)

edit: i'm not very good at posting with quotes...

Modifié par caffinefiend23, 14 mai 2010 - 06:06 .

[sagefic]

Shandepared wrote...

Ruthless is not a bad thing. The job MUST BE DONE. Turning your back on that belief is hardly something to celebrate, most especially when you're trying to save sentient life from extinction.

i think the real challenge with ruthless - like most of the backgrounds, it's both their strength and weakness - is that it's unclear *What* happened exactly and why

part of why i compiled this guide is because based on the little info you get in character creation, i would think "okay, this is the story of my shep" and fill int he details in my own mind. i get to the game and bam! someone says "you were like this" -o.O? i was? really? 

so i did a bit of research to be as clear as i could on what the pasts were before i settled into any of them, only to get de-railed. maybe others don't role-play as much as me, but my colonist war hero, for example, based on how i thought of her, lost it around Bringing Down the Sky and went on a renegade spree ever after. 

anyhow. i think the torfan mission gives mixed messages. the codex (see op link) says YOU were willing to pay the price that people died to stop the pirates. however, in game, certain options (notably the paragon talk to jenkins) says that you did "what had to be done." at times it implies you were carrying out orders, other times it does not. i saw on the wiki the claim that you murdered surrendering batarians. this is NOT in the codex or any other place. that's the kind of detail that might make someone think - wait! i was just doing the necessary mission, and now you're telling me i was carrying out what sounds like a war crime?

anyhooo. i probably over analyze. but that's my take on torfan. it of all the missions has the most contradictory chatter about it in game. i think you could try and reconsile it all - or some folks i know just ignore it and say no one knows the "ReaL" story - and they make up their own background idea about what it was.

[jlb524]

This is an awesome summary!  I play the redeemed Earthborn/Ruthless type and I think you hit that one well.

I wish background influenced ME2 a bit more, though.

sagequeen wrote...

anyhow. i think the torfan mission gives mixed messages. the codex (see op link) says YOU were willing to pay the price that people died to stop the pirates. however, in game, certain options (notably the paragon talk to jenkins) says that you did "what had to be done." at times it implies you were carrying out orders, other times it does not. i saw on the wiki the claim that you murdered surrendering batarians. this is NOT in the codex or any other place. that's the kind of detail that might make someone think - wait! i was just doing the necessary mission, and now you're telling me i was carrying out what sounds like a war crime?

Emily Wong makes a comment to Ruthless Shepard, something along the lines of executing surrendering batarians after you ask her why she wants you specifically to help her get dirt on Fist.  She says it in a very blase manner too, it's quite amusing.

[sagefic]

@ jlb - ah! okay. i kept wondering where the heck that line was. too funny!



again, i find the roleplaying element of this game fun, so i like knowing what i'm getting into. having someone hit you with something like that could be hilarious - or really disturbing.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Nice "guide" you made, i enjoyed reading it.

Personally i prefer paragon/Spacer/warhero/soldier the most. Because at the end of the day, it means your Shepard is just a guy with a gun trying to save the galaxy. But I also like paragade/earthborn/SS and renegade/colonist/ruthless. The only combination i loath is colonist/SS because the whole "waaah! My life only consist of tragedy Waaah!" aspect.

PS. The dialog where Kaiden says that Shepard is a stronger biotic than him is completly bugged, just because he says it to a non-biotic Shepard does NOT mean that Shepard is a biotic no matter what.

[sagefic]

Lizardviking wrote...

PS. The dialog where Kaiden says that Shepard is a stronger biotic than him is completly bugged, just because he says it to a non-biotic Shepard does NOT mean that Shepard is a biotic no matter what.

I've heard arguments both ways. I think this is one where you could either take it that the game is bugged there (like the bizarro bug with Toomb's quest (I was on Akuze? really?) or that Shepard is a biotic.

I think it sort of depends on how you see your char. So yeah, you're right. I shouldn't have said that it makes you a biotic, only that you could take it that Shepard is a biotic but not using it.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

sagequeen wrote...

I've heard arguments both ways. I think this is one where you could either take it that the game is bugged there (like the bizarro bug with Toomb's quest (I was on Akuze? really?) or that Shepard is a biotic.

I think it sort of depends on how you see your char. So yeah, you're right. I shouldn't have said that it makes you a biotic, only that you could take it that Shepard is a biotic but not using it.

It would not make sense that Shepard is a biotic but is not using them, espiecially if Kaiden claims your stronger than him. So either Kaiden is lying to make Shepard feel better about him self or its bugged.

Take your pick.

[enormousmoonboots]

One thing that I like to do is roleplay existing characters in ME. Earthborn War Hero for Commissar Cain (born in the slums of a planet of billions, all he wants is to live a quiet life, yet keeps getting thrown into crazy situations and comes out a hero because he avoids getting himself killed), mixed alignment (he's an unreliable narrator when it comes to his own actions; he often insists he does something 'good' because it was his only option at the time, or he wants people to think well of him, but someone notes that he's more altruistic than he claims to be), but always whatever avoids conflict or ends things most quickly (always take the first available Interrupt).



Spacer War Hero is my favored background for my (original) main Shep, though. I really like the idea of having family, and the other service stories just seemed so tragedy-ridden. I always liked 'average joe' characters.



Don't think I have any other info for BG nods (don't think Morinth mentions a S/WH, though at least I don't recall her doing so. Might be specific to the more Renegade BGs?). What does Shai'ra say about the other profiles?

[sagefic]

@ moon boots



um... for colonist Shai'ira says "I look into your eyes and see a story there that makes me want to weep. Pain and loss - but it drives you, makes you stronger. It is this strength that others are drawn to. It is why you lead and others follow without question."



personally, i liked that line better than her one about being "born" into a uniform. ??? odd.



anyone know the earthborn line?

[sagefic]

@ LV

eh. good point.

i have never gotten this line of dialog, actually. have you?

Modifié par sagequeen, 14 mai 2010 - 08:04 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

sagequeen wrote...

eh. good point.

i have never gotten this line of dialog, actually. have you?

Yes. One time with my infiltrator and one time with my soldier. Both were Maleshep and both did NOT have a biotic bonus talent.

The dialog is bugged.

[stormrain]

sagequeen wrote...

@ moon boots

um... for colonist Shai'ira says "I look into your eyes and see a story there that makes me want to weep. Pain and loss - but it drives you, makes you stronger. It is this strength that others are drawn to. It is why you lead and others follow without question."

personally, i liked that line better than her one about being "born" into a uniform. ??? odd.

anyone know the earthborn line?

"I see your skin, tough as the scales of any turian. Unyeilding. A wall between you and everyone else. But it protects you, makes you strong. That strength is what kept you alive when everyone else around you was dying. You alone survived. You will continue to survive."

My Shepard is also a Sole Survivor, and the dialogue seems to lean towards that. Does the PP affect Shai'ira's words? What does she say to an Earthborn/War Hero or Eartborn/Ruthless.

[sagefic]

Captain Uccisore wrote...

sagequeen wrote...

@ moon boots

um... for colonist Shai'ira says "I look into your eyes and see a story there that makes me want to weep. Pain and loss - but it drives you, makes you stronger. It is this strength that others are drawn to. It is why you lead and others follow without question."

personally, i liked that line better than her one about being "born" into a uniform. ??? odd.

anyone know the earthborn line?

"I see your skin, tough as the scales of any turian. Unyeilding. A wall between you and everyone else. But it protects you, makes you strong. That strength is what kept you alive when everyone else around you was dying. You alone survived. You will continue to survive."

My Shepard is also a Sole Survivor, and the dialogue seems to lean towards that. Does the PP affect Shai'ira's words? What does she say to an Earthborn/War Hero or Eartborn/Ruthless.

I don't know about the pp.  i think it does because i always got "you lead and others follow without question." usually play a war hero.

alrighty, found 'em no promises these links will continue to work. these are from you tube:

Gift of words for

Colonist (done with a hacked Wrex mod, but the lines are there)

Spacer

Earthborn


Warning: this was an easy scene to find on youtube because it's all about the nooky after this line. You have been warned. The blue hand on the glass follows soon after. (shudder)

And here are play throughs of the unique background questions. obviously, these can be played multiple ways, esp. the earthborn one. but this gives an overview:

Spacer

Colonist

Earthborn

Modifié par sagequeen, 14 mai 2010 - 09:28 .

[irene9876]

This is a very interesting thread OP.  I'm impressed at all the work that went into it. 

I'm surprised that you haven't gotten Miranda to comment on your PSH as a femshep.  I usually play femshep and got her to comment on it every time.  It happens in the dialogue where she's talking on her couch.  There comes a point where she's talking about how much the PC was given by TIM.  Then the dialogue wheel goes to two options for the PC.  The paragon one has you adding that TIM gave you her, while renegade has you say "What, you disapprove?"  I always choose the renegade option.  Then Miranda will go into the femshep PSH.


Personally, I always liked Earthborn PSH and alternate between Sole Survivor and War Hero.

Modifié par irene9876, 14 mai 2010 - 11:28 .

[Peppard]

Nice job sagequeen writing all that up, it was interesting! I'll have to try out ME1 again some time with that info in mind. Thanks.