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[Strike]

Nivenus wrote...

Strike wrote...

Wow, thank you so much sagequeen! I was looking for something like this.

If it's not too much trouble, do you know any of the dialogue for Spacer/Sole Survivor Shepards? It would be a gigantic help to me.

Me too.

Incidentally, I like your second sigbanner. He does have a good record with female LIs doesn't he (Carth, Kaidan...). Myself, I usually play male, but I certainly appreciate his craft.

Might be too busy with DA2 to contribute much, though.

...and Alistair..
Thank you, good sir. Nice to find a fellow who appreciates his writing.

[DaVanguard]

I see vanguards as viable warheros because your fighting in a city its mostly cqc, anyways I would whant to see the whites of their eyes because thet ruined my time off... I hope that didnt sound..disturbing...

[Bogsnot1]

I tend to pick the backgrounds depending on what class I'm playing

Soldier: Spacer, War Hero, Paragon. Stereotypical "I am the Corps"

Infiltrator: Spacer, Sole Survivor, Paragon. After seeing so many friensd and allies die, Shep is determined never to be responsible for so many deaths again, and takes the "Go it alone" approach.

Vanguard: Colonist, Ruthless, Renegade. Somethnig snapped in Shep's mind when the Batarians slavers hit. He signed up for revenge, but every enemy he sees, bears the face of the Batarians. Unable to control his rage, he charges in recklessly.

Engineer: Colonist, Sole Survivor, Neutral. Growing up on a colony gave Shep great insight on how to tinker with all sorts of tech to get it working again. Generic geekness has given him limited social interaction, and said geekness made his impromptu bomb more effective than he realised, killing the rest of unit when it went off.

Sentinel: Earther, War Hero, Neutral. Growing up on bad ol' Earth alone gave Shep remarkable resilience and strength of will. He was effectively the brains of the "Red's", and heading up a rag-tag gang in his youth gave him the commanding presence he needed to inspire his troops to victory.

Adept: Earthborn, Ruthless, Renegade. Growing up alone and in a gang gave Shep a somewhat jaded view on life. He signed up as a way out, and the strength of mind he acquired from his upbringing made him the perfect candidate for biotic implants. When he's not busy telling the laws of physics to sit down and shut up, he will do whatever it takes to get the job done.

I sometimes mix it up a bit, but these are my canon personalities types.

[Ecael]

I didn't read any of the replies or much of the thread, but I do believe you deserve a round of applause for your background story compilation.

*applause*

(I don't think there's a forum smiley for that)

[sagefic]

hey all. In response to the many requests for the full NPC dialog, I'm going to try and add it to the OP. i do not have it all. several of my original alts got deleted when i got my new computer. so, if any of you have the dialog, post it in the thread, and i'll happily add it in.



thanks!

[DaVanguard]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

I tend to pick the backgrounds depending on what class I'm playing
Soldier: Spacer, War Hero, Paragon. Stereotypical "I am the Corps"
Infiltrator: Spacer, Sole Survivor, Paragon. After seeing so many friensd and allies die, Shep is determined never to be responsible for so many deaths again, and takes the "Go it alone" approach.
Vanguard: Colonist, Ruthless, Renegade. Somethnig snapped in Shep's mind when the Batarians slavers hit. He signed up for revenge, but every enemy he sees, bears the face of the Batarians. Unable to control his rage, he charges in recklessly.
Engineer: Colonist, Sole Survivor, Neutral. Growing up on a colony gave Shep great insight on how to tinker with all sorts of tech to get it working again. Generic geekness has given him limited social interaction, and said geekness made his impromptu bomb more effective than he realised, killing the rest of unit when it went off.
Sentinel: Earther, War Hero, Neutral. Growing up on bad ol' Earth alone gave Shep remarkable resilience and strength of will. He was effectively the brains of the "Red's", and heading up a rag-tag gang in his youth gave him the commanding presence he needed to inspire his troops to victory.
Adept: Earthborn, Ruthless, Renegade. Growing up alone and in a gang gave Shep a somewhat jaded view on life. He signed up as a way out, and the strength of mind he acquired from his upbringing made him the perfect candidate for biotic implants. When he's not busy telling the laws of physics to sit down and shut up, he will do whatever it takes to get the job done.
I sometimes mix it up a bit, but these are my canon personalities types.

this makes me a strange vanguard im the quiet peson people would know, polite(vanguard?), and im hardly known for being aggressive.  here is my vanguard cannon personality type: spacer,war hero,paragon: alone most of the time growing up develept biotic abilitys after parents were exposed with eezo, while on shore leave shepard fought pirates and batarians in cqc, showed heroism doesnt let rage get infront of the mission and hates losing people under his command. hates thoose who let anger get in the way, wont let innocent die if its possible to save them

Modifié par DaVanguard, 16 mai 2010 - 03:38 .

[sagefic]

howly cow. that op just got a lot longer. whoa. okay, well, if you have the missing npc lines, just mention em and i'll add em in

[DaVanguard]

after reading ashleys line about some one watching over shep... well it would make sense for a vanguard wouldnt it?

[sagefic]

someone must be watching over shep - cheated death after all!



but yeah, i could see that. i always play my vanguards as insane beserkers

[DaVanguard]

on my vanguard I tend charge near the end of the battle i might go into a beserker rage with my scimitar but I tend to us the locust and some times reave (my paragon vanguard)

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Any given background has an influence on a roleplaying a character. But they don't necessarily do anything except give you a basic backdrop.



For example, ruthless background may seem like the natural complement to a renegade character. But you get to decide how your Player character feels about it. So while many characters may have similar mottos as the ones mentioned earlier (including my renegade FemShep), one background/personality combination doesn't necessarily mean one thing and one thing only.

[sagefic]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Any given background has an influence on a roleplaying a character. But they don't necessarily do anything except give you a basic backdrop.

For example, ruthless background may seem like the natural complement to a renegade character. But you get to decide how your Player character feels about it. So while many characters may have similar mottos as the ones mentioned earlier (including my renegade FemShep), one background/personality combination doesn't necessarily mean one thing and one thing only.

agreed.

i hope it's clear that my point in all this was simply to outline as much info about the backgrounds as possible, not to say that any one background must lead to a certain character or another.

it's sort of like amazon.com syndrome: it's easy to feel justified in liking a book/VG/product because other people bought it too - or to feel like you ought to get something else when you see "50% of all people who viewed this item went on to buy X", but when you really think about it, it doesn't really matter. 

if you like the build, then you like the build. the point of this was not to be a "% of people play this" but rather to make the initial list of all possible items.

as i mentioned before, i tend to make a lot of alts before settling into a main. in ME, i found the background stories really affected the way i thought about and played my toons, so i went to the trouble of looking up a lot of info about them and thinking about how i thought my personal cannon shep ought to play out. in the process, i found dozens of other people's thoughts on what shep "ought" to be.

rather than agree with any which one, i just tried my best to compile them all here. i have my preference, certainly, but i really like all the alts. i find that seeing other people's reasoning about shep makes me appreciate the myriad ways the game can play out. also, ironically, it let me feel happier about just picking my fave background and going with it.

so yeah. please don't think i'm trying to say any of these is right/best/worst, etc. if any of these seems inaccurate to you, feel free to post how you see it. that's the point of this thread: to outline and discuss background for the help and enjoyment of those of us who roleplay shep heavily and like to have all the info going into that.

or for the fanfic writers - or whatever. you all know who you are. ;

Modifié par sagequeen, 16 mai 2010 - 06:17 .

[sagefic]

geh. double post.

got ninjaed by the browser 

Modifié par sagequeen, 16 mai 2010 - 06:17 .

[Strike]

sagequeen wrote...

someone must be watching over shep - cheated death after all!

but yeah, i could see that. i always play my vanguards as insane beserkers

Thanks for adding the dialogue to the OP. That was very helpful.

My main Shep is a Paragon vanguard. I like to think that she was discovered as a biotic late so she mostly trained to become a soldier but figured out her own how to use biotics which made her techniques less precise and more aggressive than a trained Adept/Sentinel.

Modifié par Strike, 16 mai 2010 - 07:16 .

[sagefic]

Strike wrote...

Thanks for adding the dialogue to the OP. That was very helpful.

np. - i actually moved the dialog to an external site to as not to overwhelm the OP. it's back to a list, but i'll be compiling the transcript on my blog. again, if you have the lines that i do not, write em up here if you'd be so kind. it's taking me a while to find them all.

[stormrain]

sagequeen wrote...

I don't know about the pp.  i think it does because i always got "you lead and others follow without question." usually play a war hero.

alrighty, found 'em no promises these links will continue to work. these are from you tube:

Gift of words for

Colonist (done with a hacked Wrex mod, but the lines are there)

Spacer

Earthborn

After fiddling with the dialogue, I think I get how Shai'ira's gift of words work. It's in two parts, PSH and PP, so the exact words she says vary on Shepard's chosen history.


Colonist
I see the sadness behind your eyes. It tells a story that makes me want to weep. Pain and loss. But it drives you, makes you strong.
 
Earthborn
I see your skin, tough as the scales of any turian. Unyielding. A wall between you and everyone else. But it protects you, makes you strong.
 
Spacer
I see you… your uniform fits as though you were born wearing it. You are a soldier through and through. Proud, solitary… alone, but it gives you strength.
 
War Hero
It is that strength that people are drawn to. It is why you lead and others follow, without question. You will need that leadership in the battles to come.
 
Sole Survivor
That strength is what kept you alive when everyone else around you was dying. You alone survived. You will continue to survive.
 
Ruthless
You never hid your strength, either. It serves you well. Terrifies your foes. Few will dare to stand against you.

Modifié par Captain Uccisore, 16 mai 2010 - 03:01 .

[sagefic]

danke, captain uccisore. that is incredibly useful. added it to the transcript.

[sagefic]

looking around i found a few more threads on the background choices discussion. here and here.

i find this interesting:

RiouHotaru wrote...

I find that people (especially in fanfiction) are fond of using Earthborn/Colonist and Sole Survivor/Ruthless combinations, seemingly just to give Shepard an excuse to be a mess (which makes for very d'awwww inducing fluff at times), which feels...rather redundant?  I mean, Sole Survivor and Ruthless both stink of PTSD galore, combine that with Colonist especially and it's 2 for the price of 1.

I mean, do people NOT like Spacer or War Hero?  Now, I'm sure people do use those two, I just don't see them very often when people are describing their Shepard.

Merely a curiousity I was hoping to satiate. 

Something I find interesting is the difference of opinion on all the backgrounds, but notably the rather strong reactions to certain backstories: "That's just boring" or "that's too extreeme"

So out of curiousity, I made a poll: What's Your Main's backstory? I'm curious what the actual popularity breakdown is.
 

[Pacifien]

sagequeen wrote...
Something I find interesting is the difference of opinion on all the backgrounds, but notably the rather strong reactions to certain backstories: "That's just boring" or "that's too extreeme"

So out of curiousity, I made a poll: What's Your Main's backstory? I'm curious what the actual popularity breakdown is.
 

I've been curious about what a lot of people pick for their background as well. Most of my Shepards have been Earthborn/War Hero because I like the idea of Shepard coming from such an unpromising start and accomplishing what is arguably a soldier's greatest task. But when it comes to fanfiction, I swear the most popular is Colonist/Sole Survivor with Colonist/Ruthless being second. Nothing wrong with those backgrounds, I just wondered why I never saw more variation.

[sagefic]

Pacifien wrote...

sagequeen wrote...
Something I find interesting is the difference of opinion on all the backgrounds, but notably the rather strong reactions to certain backstories: "That's just boring" or "that's too extreeme"

So out of curiousity, I made a poll: What's Your Main's backstory? I'm curious what the actual popularity breakdown is.
 

I've been curious about what a lot of people pick for their background as well. Most of my Shepards have been Earthborn/War Hero because I like the idea of Shepard coming from such an unpromising start and accomplishing what is arguably a soldier's greatest task. But when it comes to fanfiction, I swear the most popular is Colonist/Sole Survivor with Colonist/Ruthless being second. Nothing wrong with those backgrounds, I just wondered why I never saw more variation.

it's true, those are most popular for fan fic, aren't they. i find that funny, because in casually looking around the forums, there are a lot of people who play spacer/war hero and love it. i guess there is "more" stuff to do with the other backgrounds? only spacer has got to be an interesting start.

i wonder if some of it is that those who want to make shepard more...i dunno - vulnerable tend towards those histories? shepard does come off almost inhumanly confident, and those who want to explore his/her motivations might want to break that open a little. a thought, anyhow.

[sagefic]

Huh. It's funny. according to the poll results so far, spacer/war hero is the most popular choice for main. i find that really interesting considering that you almost never see that in fan fic and most threads i read had only a few people chiming in on the virtues of spacer/war hero.



so either the people who play spacer/war hero don't go writing fanfic about it much, don't analyze it much or...something. interesting. spacer/war hero was my first char, too, so i can attest to the appeal.

[jwalker]

Wow. I missed this one.



A very well put together compilation. Great work sage.

[AssaulterGage]

You forgot Tela Vasir comments about how cereberus killed you squad after you defeat her in lair of the shadow broker. This is only if you have the sole survivor background i have never fought her with any others so im not sure if this instance has other dialogues depending of your psychological profile

[AgeofShadow]

Personally I like the earthborn/war hero the most for paragon. It showed that even a lowly gang member in the slums of earth could turn his life around and become a hero.

Also, it irked me in a way I can't explain when Shepard would get all "I need to save earth, it's my home" when he in fact didnt live or grow up on earth. I guess in a roleplaying aspect it didn't fit. However growing up poor would be a good reason as to why he is so empathetic towards the colonies and criminals in the game.

I guess I just wish they didnt have the paragon/renegade bonuses on the origins, because my roleplaying OCD is clashing with my "i need to be the purest paragon" OCD and I don't like it

[ThomasBlaine]

I think you could have talked a bit more about the Spacer/Ruthless background combination, even if it's the least used one according to your poll.

 

In my mind, the juxtaposition of a seemingly balanced and normal personal background combined with a reputation for being wiling to take drastic measures moves the focus of Shepard's simplified morality away from dramatic life-changing moments and grudges and unto the guy himself and his actual reasoning. It's silly that only people with extreme trauma or dark pasts should be perceived as being able to make pragmatic decisions or take an unpopular stand on important issues, and a Shepard who has acquired these tendencies on his own without a dramatic background must necessarily be a very unique individual, if not even moreso than Shepards who are forced to that point by extreme circumstances.

 

Personally I like the earthborn/war hero the most for paragon. It showed that even a lowly gang member in the slums of earth could turn his life around and become a hero.

Also, it irked me in a way I can't explain when Shepard would get all "I need to save earth, it's my home" when he in fact didnt live or grow up on earth. I guess in a roleplaying aspect it didn't fit. However growing up poor would be a good reason as to why he is so empathetic towards the colonies and criminals in the game.

I guess I just wish they didnt have the paragon/renegade bonuses on the origins, because my roleplaying OCD is clashing with my "i need to be the purest paragon" OCD and I don't like it

 

Actually, I imagine the Earthborn Shepard to be the least likely to put Earth on a pedestal given that he had no strong ties to anyone and didn't exactly have a great experience growing up there. A Colonist or Spacer might be more inclined to idealize it as the great homeworld of humanity and thus to be protected at all cost, mostly ignorant of the giant slums and decline of both economy and environment.

 

And I've always hated the stupid Paragon/Renegade system, mostly because it inspires that exact purist mentality you're talking about. I only have the roleplaying OCD to deal with myself, and tend to use exploits to cheese it early in each game so I'm not tempted to take the system seriously and it doesn't restrict my dialogue options. Unrestricted "Paragade" Shepards can be incredibly cool and rewarding to play, even if the devs inexplicably decided that we shouldn't be allowed, much less encouraged, to do so. A lot of the "neutral" dialogue options are really awesome too, often more grounded and to-the-point than the others.