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[MaaZeus]

n3tmnky wrote...

Carrying two weapons in the pre-1900 American West may not have been uncommon. But dual wielding them (one in each hand) probably never happened. The sixguns of the old west were mostly single action revolvers, and you had to use your thumb or (more commonly) your off hand to re**** them before your next shot.

There are modern agencies that do allow you to carry two handguns. Your primary that you use both hands to aim and fire, reload, etc and a smaller, backup weapon that stays holstered until there is a failure of your primary weapon. But you're still trained to fire and reload the primary, clear any jams it may have, etc. The backup gun is a tool of last resort and should stay holstered until absolutely required.

Hmmm... Good points.

[Spartas Husky]

His accuracy is that worse of a non combatant for some reason.



At least the 1st bullet of every weapon should be dead on target.....but it is not.



Double wielding ....no, accuracy is bad enough as it is, if I knoew Bio, they'll make the accuracy of Dual Wielding worse than aiming with a 1800 musket.

[Tirigon]

They should add dualwileding as a soldier skill maybe.

High level operatives can have their brains linked with the smart targetting systems in their gun, does allowing full accuracy and aiming while using 2 guns at the same time. The brain level modifications even allow them to aim with both guns at the same time on different targets, thus allowing them to be as effective as 2 common soldiers

[Spartas Husky]

Tirigon wrote...

They should add dualwileding as a soldier skill maybe.

High level operatives can have their brains linked with the smart targetting systems in their gun, does allowing full accuracy and aiming while using 2 guns at the same time. The brain level modifications even allow them to aim with both guns at the same time on different targets, thus allowing them to be as effective as 2 common soldiers

yeah... if only that translated into actualy game playing.

Everything has a targeting system, but apparently, you can't aim for crap.

Now, yes with upgrades controlled burst you can. My whole point is.....the first slug of every weapon should leave the barrel in a straight line, accuracy nor stance matters is the first pure non recoil affected shot. Yet even that sometimes flies off.

Although now come to think of it, it would be a nice way to replace shotguns for those who want it.

[Jetpackshark]

Ability to perform biotic abilities with both hands. Imagine a double throw, or lift, or double singularity! Oh yeah, and Shepard has to have the ability to have his hair grow about 1 meter and turn yellow.

[Alexine]

Duel-wielding guns is cool! They can be fun in certain games (Like Resonance of Fate) but for ME? Nooo way.

Just look at Halo 2. <_<

[PARAGON87]

This has been discussed by the devs ad nausiem, and the answer is no.

[implodinggoat]

GodWood wrote...

Dual wielding reduces accuracy by quite a lot and simply looks stupid.

Its true it hurts your accuracy to the extent that it would be very stupid to fire two pistols at once in real life; but I wouldn't say it looks stupid, just unrealistic.  That said if you wanted to you could hold a pistol in each hand and fire them; but there's no chance in hell you could accurately fire an Anti Material Rifle from a standing position and yet you can do that in ME2.  If a genetically enhanced Shepard can fire an Anti Material Rifle while standing, then there's no reason to conclude he/she couldn't fire a pistol in each hand withreasonable accuracy.

Personally, I think Duel Wielding would be a good addition for ME3 though it would need to be balanced to compensate for the added firepower.  Here's what I'm thinking...

Dual Wielding

• Only a few of the smaller weapons can be dual wielded, like the Predator or the Shuriken.
• Sniper Rifles, Assault Rifles, Shotguns, Magnum pistols like the Carnifex or non pistol SMGs like the Tempest or Locust can't be dual wielded.
• To dual wield you must equip two guns of the same model (2 Predators or 2 Shurikens for example).
• Since you have two of the same gun equipped the option to dual wield would take the place of one of your weapons.  For example if a Sentinel with access to Pistols and Submachineguns equipped 2 Predators then he would have an option to wield one Predator or both Predators; but he would no longer have a submachinegun equipped. 
• Wielding two guns of the same type doubles your ammo reserve for the dual wielded weapon and doubles your rate of fire since you are firing two guns at the same time.
• Dual wielding imposes a heavy penalty to both accuracy and recoil to offset the increased DPS; but wouldn't increase the accuraccy penalty for moving while firing making it an excellent choice for running and gunning.

[xDarkicex]

how about a rocket launcher that is mounted to your shoulder?

Oh I got it how about a Companion thats soul purpose is to make me TACO'S?

Get where I am going with this?, how many cops or soldiers do you see running around DUAL WIELDING, like they think they are NEO or something?

[cachx]

xDarkicex wrote...
 how many cops or soldiers do you see running around DUAL WIELDING, like they think they are NEO or something?

Yeah! it's not like we are playing a sci-fi game that has cybernetically and genetically enhanced humans, robots, and aliens!

oh, wait...

[StodgyFrost98]

Why would you need dual wielding? This isn't halo and I don't think I would feel very well also.

[StodgyFrost98]

[quote]Jetpackshark wrote...

Ability to perform biotic abilities with both hands. Imagine a double throw, or lift, or double singularity! Oh yeah, and Shepard has to have the ability to have his hair grow about 1 meter and turn yellow.

Why do you need two hands? This isn't star wars.  I mean seriously a double singularity or a throw.  How can the Xbox 360 handle that?!

[Kaiser Shepard]

cachx wrote...

xDarkicex wrote...
 how many cops or soldiers do you see running around DUAL WIELDING, like they think they are NEO or something?

Yeah! it's not like we are playing a sci-fi game that has cybernetically and genetically enhanced humans, robots, and aliens!

oh, wait...

Nice one.

[Poisonpen]

cachx wrote...

xDarkicex wrote...
 how many cops or soldiers do you see running around DUAL WIELDING, like they think they are NEO or something?

Yeah! it's not like we are playing a sci-fi game that has cybernetically and genetically enhanced humans, robots, and aliens!

oh, wait...

Key problem with this train of thought is that all those genetic enhancements and cybernetic upgrades you're talking about to make a human passable at operating two weapons in tandem would be better served further enhancing an already superior single firearm technique.

So, yeah, now a human can shoot two guns at an average level, but everyone else with one firearm and (this is important) access to the same tech and enhancements can operate that weapon at superhuman levels. The argument doesn't hold up under much scrutiny.

Modifié par Poisonpen, 15 mai 2010 - 04:46 .

[LJScribes]

i'm not even saying it'd be a gameplay mechanic it'd be more a visual thing but w/e wow I never expect how negative the response would be from this.

also I have no idea how but my thread title was changed :s hrm also Dual is misspelled...

Modifié par LJScribes, 15 mai 2010 - 04:49 .

[FreemanPhD]

Has anyone ever heard the term: Do not feed the lion? (I realize I'm doing this now)

While dual wielding is apparently possible with the current guns, seeing as CG Miranda and Concept Art Jack are seen dual wielding. Not to mention that article about the soldiers. It just doesn't seem to serve any true purpose. All of the "dual wieldable" guns can burn through barriers and armor in mere seconds when they're used alone, so why would you do it?

Sure Shepard is esssentially a meta-human due to some of his/her surgical enhancements and just natural skill, but it wouldn't benefit them anything on the battlefield. And someone could say just use the old generational guns that don't use heat clips, but from what I understand, those guns had hideous kick (Again, the current Shepard may be able to withstand this kick).

Anyways, regardless of technological enhancements or biotic abilities, it would just be a useless ability that would, especially cconsidering how ammo works now, waste shots and lose accuracy.

And lol at the dual biotics thing. I'm pretty sure any biotic attempting that would have a brain aneurysm.

And, just as a little fun side note: People always use Halo as the dual wielding example, but I would say a game that used the John Woo dual wield to it's fullest would be Advent Rising or Too Human (We saw how well those games worked out.)

[Tirigon]

xDarkicex wrote...
Get where I am going with this?, how many cops or soldiers do you see running around DUAL WIELDING, like they think they are NEO or something?

Ah I SEE. So you think Shepard is NOT like Neo, saviour of the world and all?

Nice thought, but.... WRONG.

[JesusPassTheBong]

Tirigon wrote...

They should add dualwileding as a soldier skill maybe.

High level operatives can have their brains linked with the smart targetting systems in their gun, does allowing full accuracy and aiming while using 2 guns at the same time. The brain level modifications even allow them to aim with both guns at the same time on different targets, thus allowing them to be as effective as 2 common soldiers

i dont know but i think it would massively effect (no pun intended) the core gameplay

[Dethateer]

Quoth Maddox: "If the pun really wasn't intended, you should have written something else"

Also, no, not really, it would only double damage, inaccuracy and reload time for pistols.