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Was Shepard Meant to Die?


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Iakus

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Okay, this is kind of a crazy, tin-foil at theory I've been wondering about.

I think we can all agree that Cerberus was a much more sinister organization in ME 1 and seemingly much more benevolent (relatively speaking) in ME2. This had me wondering, could things have changed so much in two years?  Would TIM be so willing to let go the fact that Shepard caused Cerberus so much trouble in the past?

So crazy theory:  TIM intended Shepard and his squad to succeed in thier strike on the Collectors, and for most or all of them to die in the process.

The crew of the Normandy 2 seems to be made up largely of disaffected Alliance personel that are unhappy with how the Reaper threat is being handled, or not being handled.  They have nothing in particular against aliens .  At the same time, TIM personally oversees how all of Cerberus' projects are handled.  It's entirely possible that the Normandy was TIM's way of cleaning house of anyone wo is not a "true believer" in securing human superiority.

Plus, many of the squad are aliens, which the "old" Cerberus would be  more than willing to sacrifice for humanity's survival. (particularly Mordin, given is connection to the genophage, would make him a big potential threat to humanity.  He is also the only one TIM specifically recommended Shepard recruit )

Jack is a psychotic criminal who has every reason to hate Cerberus, as well as an extremely powerful biotic.  Definitely someone  Cerberus would shed few tears over if she were to die in a blaze of glory saving the human race.

Jacob is a Cerberus operative, and human.  But he also makes it clear pretty early on that he does not trust TIM.  He's only with Cerberus because they're the only organization willing to do something to protect humanity.  He's quite up front about this, and may make him a liability if TIM had more nefarious plans in the pipeline.

Miranda's a tough one.  She's a loyal Cerberus officer, and extremely capable.  But perhaps her estrangement with her father (a former major backer of Cerberus) got to be more trouble than it was worth.

Zaed is a hired mercenary, but one who has killed literally more Cerberus agents than he can count over the years.  Yet they hired him for tis mission, inspiring Zaed to comment "I guess the Illusive Man is big on forgiveness"  But is he really?

I don't have the Kasumi DLC so I don't know what her story is, but I figure what's one more merc to save humanity?

So what do you think?  Could TIM have put all his rotten eggs in one very expensive basket?  Could he have stacked things so that whichever way the Suicide Mission went, Cerberus wins?  Or should I put more tin foil on my hat?

Modifié par iakus, 14 mai 2010 - 09:37 .


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enormousmoonboots

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I like this WMG. TIM certainly doesn't shed any tears in the Bad End, seems in-character for his ruthlessness.

Modifié par enormousmoonboots, 14 mai 2010 - 09:39 .


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Sajuro

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Paving the way for him being a big villain in ME3

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DarthCaine

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nvm, misread

Modifié par DarthCaine, 14 mai 2010 - 09:35 .


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Dean_the_Young

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This is like the 'Keeping the Collector Base is what the Reapers want you to do...' theories.

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Poison_Berrie

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I wouldn't say meant to die, but I suspect that TIM would see their deaths better for the organization in the long run (at least some of them).

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Your theory just may hold some water there. As for the select characters you mentioned, Cerberus would not care much if they were lost durring the mission. As for Kasumi, she is a master thief who has hacked Cerberus' network on more than one occasion, stole some stuff (never mentioned what), and killed security guards. When Cerberus went looking for her, she stayed hidden but tracked them to find out why, eventually hearing about Shepard's mission. Kasumi is just the kind of person that Cerberus would like to remove.

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Iakus

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Zack56 wrote...

Your theory just may hold some water there. As for the select characters you mentioned, Cerberus would not care much if they were lost durring the mission. As for Kasumi, she is a master thief who has hacked Cerberus' network on more than one occasion, stole some stuff (never mentioned what), and killed security guards. When Cerberus went looking for her, she stayed hidden but tracked them to find out why, eventually hearing about Shepard's mission. Kasumi is just the kind of person that Cerberus would like to remove.


Definitely amazing how many people TIM recommends to Shepard whom Cerberus has no reason to like or trust.  Maybe I'm not so crazy after all...

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Dean_the_Young wrote...

This is like the 'Keeping the Collector Base is what the Reapers want you to do...' theories.


wait wait...wa? What theories. That "want me to keep the base" tickled my brain in a funny way. Never heard of em. COuld you tell me a link to em, search engine isn't coming up with anything.

Most of my saves I destroyed it, but nevertheless it sounds interesting :P

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The OP's theory at least makes more sense than the "Cerberus wanted you dead to begin with" theory. No person in their right mind would spend billions of credits trying to resurrect someone if they didn't care whether or not they lived or died.



But getting rid of Shepard afterward? I could almost see that.

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This is interesting. I never looked at it this way. I certainly am prepared for TIM to be revealed as having ulterior motives in ME3.

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Lumikki

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Also interesting is that after Miranda, Jacob and Shephard, all are different race aliens. Lucky accident?

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Cain_Novaburn

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Its a very good theory but I don't think TIM would ever destroy something that can be of use to him, or humanity. Hence why he wants the Collector base left alive. He put unlimited credits into Shepard and his mission because he wanted to gain something of even greater value, the Collector's technology, as well as the loyalty of Shepard. If he could have both that and Shepard as resources, humanity (namely Cerberus) could stand up to anything.

Think about it, you have better tech than all the races (from the collectors), you have a icon for getting public backing (Shepard), and you make both the council and the alliance look weak after you defeat the Reapers, setting up Cerberus to be the dominant power in the galaxy. That makes it a TIM FTW.

Modifié par Cain_Novaburn, 19 mai 2010 - 05:39 .


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While also potentially cleaning house for Cerberus.

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Cain_Novaburn wrote...

Its a very good theory but I don't think TIM would ever destroy something that can be of use to him, or humanity. Hence why he wants the Collector base left alive. He put unlimited credits into Shepard and his mission because he wanted to gain something of even greater value, the Collector's technology, as well as the loyalty of Shepard. If he could have both that and Shepard as resources, humanity (namely Cerberus) could stand up to anything.

Think about it, you have better tech than all the races (from the collectors), you have a icon for getting public backing (Shepard), and you make both the council and the alliance look weak after you defeat the Reapers, setting up Cerberus to be the dominant power in the galaxy. That makes it a TIM FTW.


Yeah actually winning Shepard's loyalty would be the best of all possible worlds for TIM.  What I'm going on right now is assuming Shepard was at least highly suspicious of Cerberus given their past activities.  And TIM knowing this.  A live hero loyal to Cerberus would be a huge win.  But a dead hero who was working for Cerberus while saving humanity is almost as good.

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Lumikki wrote...

Also interesting is that after Miranda, Jacob and Shephard, all are different race aliens. Lucky accident?


Well, Jack's human too, but she wants to see Cerberus destroyed more than all the others put together.  And has enough power and crazy to someday try.

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I support this theory.