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[Madman123456]

Cerberus has had some questionable Projects in ME1. Some of them where outright evil, like the Akuze thing. As far as i know, they experimented on Humans to see what damage Thresher Maw Acid would do. Well, there was this Doctor in Germany how tried to find out how much of this and that Poison kills a human being. His Name was Joseph Mengele. This is one Reason why i think the Mordin Loyalty Mission end is Bull...



You don't take Research that has been done by doing ethically wrong Things, even if this Research will save many Lives.

Otherwise it will (and has) encourage People to do blunt Science with gruesome Experiments. The Scientists know that their Work includes horrifying Stuff, but they are doing it because of the betterment of all.

Mengeles Motives where noble. His Methods where not. His Methods where in fact so gruesome that we would lose part of our Humanity if we used his research.

Keeping any part of the Genophage Research validates the gruesome Experiments done to get so far with that Research.



Cerberus did things that where downright evil in the first Game. Since Bioware wanted them to be a little less evil they had them be organized in Cells. Which was a rather bad move because it makes Cerberus not only evil, but also criminally negligent.

You may think what you will of "Morality" and "Humanity". But i think we can all agree that the Stuff they did with Jack was wrong. Now that wasn't "Cerberus" really, but the Illusive Man needed how much time to uncover this? Any Madman (not me ) can go to Cerberus and run his little Insanity Project for several Decades?



Something like Cerberus would need to be stopped, if only for providing a Budget for xenophobic Morons.

[Zulu_DFA]

This isn't brought up often, but the records of Mengele's experiments, as well as of all the other "Stuff" done by German and Japanese scientists during WWII, were seized by the victors and incorporated into modern medicine.

Megele's name is notorious because his experiments were actually quite fruitless. There were others, that were equally horrific but resulted in real advancements. That's why the public doesn't need to know where those fancy pills and miraculous procedures originate from.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 16 mai 2010 - 10:50 .

[Teknor]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

This isn't brought up often, but the records of Mengele's experiments, as well as of all the other "Stuff" done by German and Japanese scientists during WWII, were seized by the victors and incorporated into modern medicine.

Megele's name is notorious because his experiments were actually quite fruitless. There were others, that were equally horrific but resulted in real advancements. That's why the public doesn't need to know where those fancy pills and miraculous procedures originate from.

Many of those advancements lead to deadlier biological weapons. I guess that evens "the miraculous procedures".

[Wildecker]

Teknor wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

This isn't brought up often, but the records of Mengele's experiments, as well as of all the other "Stuff" done by German and Japanese scientists during WWII, were seized by the victors and incorporated into modern medicine.

Megele's name is notorious because his experiments were actually quite fruitless. There were others, that were equally horrific but resulted in real advancements. That's why the public doesn't need to know where those fancy pills and miraculous procedures originate from.

Many of those advancements lead to deadlier biological weapons. I guess that evens "the miraculous procedures".

Most of what we know today about freezing to death, including how to keep people alive after extended exposure to cold water (like pilots shot down over the ocean) apparently comes from concentration camp experiments.

It makes modern doctors quite uncomfortable.

Modifié par Wildecker, 16 mai 2010 - 12:26 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Wildecker wrote...

Teknor wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

This isn't brought up often, but the records of Mengele's experiments, as well as of all the other "Stuff" done by German and Japanese scientists during WWII, were seized by the victors and incorporated into modern medicine.

Megele's name is notorious because his experiments were actually quite fruitless. There were others, that were equally horrific but resulted in real advancements. That's why the public doesn't need to know where those fancy pills and miraculous procedures originate from.

Many of those advancements lead to deadlier biological weapons. I guess that evens "the miraculous procedures".

Most of what we know today about freezing to death, including how to keep people alive after extended exposure to cold water (like pilots shot down over the ocean) apparently comes from concentration camp experiments.

It makes modern doctors quite uncomfortable.

I'll just hint, because it's only a rumor:

Defibrillation.

[Terraneaux]

Leftnt Sharpe wrote...

Personally what I would like to see in ME3 would be some sort of showdown, possibly face-to-face, with the Illusive Man where he shows how Cerberus is basically the reason for humanities success on the galactic stage. making Shepard look like some moody spoilt brat and forcing some sort of bizarre moral event horizon on the player. So it turns out that Cerberus really IS humanity and Mr man completely ****s with everyones heads.

Why do you hate your PC so much that you think the Illusive Man is cooler?  Oh wait, I guess I was right when I said that TIM is the protagonist of ME2 and not Shep.  No surprise then that he's got his supporters.

[Terraneaux]

Teknor wrote...

Many of those advancements lead to deadlier biological weapons. I guess that evens "the miraculous procedures".

They also jump-started modern psychology, however.  It wasn't all 'how to kill people' research.

[NKKKK]

My God, look at how far this troll thread went, Cerberus is the best you haters

Modifié par NKKKK, 16 mai 2010 - 10:14 .

[Sajuro]

NKKKK wrote...

My God, look at how far this troll thread went, Cerberus is the best you haters

I beg to differ NKKKK, Cerberus is responsible for the deaths of many of its employees as well as the deaths of all the colonists on horizon

[Sajuro]

What hasn't been addressed about them being inept is how Zaeed presumably assaulted them several times and no one ever thought of having one of their front companies sending him on a mission into a trap situated right next to a thresher maw nest.

[GothamLord]

Sajuro wrote...

What hasn't been addressed about them being inept is how Zaeed presumably assaulted them several times and no one ever thought of having one of their front companies sending him on a mission into a trap situated right next to a thresher maw nest.

Why kill off a potential assest for the future?? Zaeed was a mercenry and known as the galaxy's most feared bounty hunter, his loyalty was a matter of a paycheck or someone offering to help him get his revenge.  Cerberus offererd him both when the timing with Shepard became right. As it was a suicide mission too, if he died  there would be no love loss.

[Sajuro]

GothamLord wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

What hasn't been addressed about them being inept is how Zaeed presumably assaulted them several times and no one ever thought of having one of their front companies sending him on a mission into a trap situated right next to a thresher maw nest.

Why kill off a potential assest for the future?? Zaeed was a mercenry and known as the galaxy's most feared bounty hunter, his loyalty was a matter of a paycheck or someone offering to help him get his revenge.  Cerberus offererd him both when the timing with Shepard became right. As it was a suicide mission too, if he died  there would be no love loss.

Though it wasn't exactly worth it to have him continue killing Cerberus personel in the end since Shepard was more than able to whup some collector ass with Zaeed's help and Cerberus just gave an untold amount of credits to one of the biggest thorns in their side who now works with another potential thorn in their side.

[GothamLord]

Sajuro wrote...


Though it wasn't exactly worth it to have him continue killing Cerberus personel in the end since Shepard was more than able to whup some collector ass with Zaeed's help and Cerberus just gave an untold amount of credits to one of the biggest thorns in their side who now works with another potential thorn in their side.

Again, the Cerberus bases and personal that get attention are the ones that have screwed up something royally. If you're doing your job right as a Black Ops group no one should even know you're there.  Zaeed being a continued thorn in the side to anyone is subjective as anyone can die in the suicide mission and for the most part it was thought unlikely anyone would come back let along the whole crew of the Normandy.   Assuming the playthrough has him live through both the suicide run and his own loyalty mission, its short sighted to think that Shepard and the Normandy crew arent going to still feel the puppet strings pulled by TIM.  Plus could care less if more Cerberus personel get shot so long as Shepard cotinues towards the ultimate end goal of protecting humanity from the Reaper invasion.  Any loses will be filled as expectable towards the contined existence and growth of the human race. 

[NKKKK]

Cerberus is the greatest, it can money and doesn't afraid of anything.

Trollthread

Edit: Also most of the events you see them being inept in is in ME2, where you know, if they weren't...there wouldn't be  a game. Looking at the circumstances, you'll notice that those events are caused more by individuals and I fail to look at the institution itself as faulty, it's not perfect mind you, but they are not inept.

Even though you see failures in the game, there are other cells that the game doesn't show doing their work just fine.

Once again, trollthread.

Modifié par NKKKK, 17 mai 2010 - 04:40 .

[Sajuro]

How the great fall, and NKKKK's grammar doesn't help his point

[NKKKK]

Sajuro wrote...

How the great fall, and NKKKK's grammar doesn't help his point

I wasn't trying too

Also made a serious contribution to the post.

[Sajuro]

That is assuming that you aren't only covering the worst of the screw ups that Cerberus wasn't able to completely brush off

[NKKKK]

You're a butthurt alliance fan. Cerberus isn't inept, end of story.
Otherwise they wouldn't have been able to revive you.

Modifié par NKKKK, 17 mai 2010 - 04:45 .

[Sajuro]

Actually I don't like the alliance either after hearing how they treated Joker and Chakwas. I didn't say that Cerberus was completely stupid, its just that most of the cells you know about, you know about them because you have to save any survivor's ass from the can of angry mutant worms they opened.

[NKKKK]

That's the price of unethical science, still. They revived you, they have a lot of resources. people everywhere. They aren't inept at all, it just so happens that their biggest mistakes are shown onscreen.



Cerberus is not an inept orginization, anyone claiming otherwise is just trying to start a pointless argument just to be different.



Hence, Troll thread.

[GothamLord]

Sajuro wrote...

Actually I don't like the alliance either after hearing how they treated Joker and Chakwas. I didn't say that Cerberus was completely stupid, its just that most of the cells you know about, you know about them because you have to save any survivor's ass from the can of angry mutant worms they opened.

Well seeing as Cerberus is really still part of the Alliance.....

[Sajuro]

NKKKK wrote...

That's the price of unethical science, still. They revived you, they have a lot of resources. people everywhere. They aren't inept at all, it just so happens that their biggest mistakes are shown onscreen.

Cerberus is not an inept orginization, anyone claiming otherwise is just trying to start a pointless argument just to be different.

Hence, Troll thread.

Because everyone is entitled to your opinion

[NKKKK]

GothamLord wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Actually I don't like the alliance either after hearing how they treated Joker and Chakwas. I didn't say that Cerberus was completely stupid, its just that most of the cells you know about, you know about them because you have to save any survivor's ass from the can of angry mutant worms they opened.

Well seeing as Cerberus is really still part of the Alliance.....

Ceberus is IN the Alliance, not part of it, just IN.

[Sajuro]

GothamLord wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Actually I don't like the alliance either after hearing how they treated Joker and Chakwas. I didn't say that Cerberus was completely stupid, its just that most of the cells you know about, you know about them because you have to save any survivor's ass from the can of angry mutant worms they opened.

Well seeing as Cerberus is really still part of the Alliance.....

Well I don't like Cerberus either, so I'm square with that.

[GothamLord]

NKKKK wrote...

That's the price of unethical science, still. They revived you, they have a lot of resources. people everywhere. They aren't inept at all, it just so happens that their biggest mistakes are shown onscreen.

Cerberus is not an inept orginization, anyone claiming otherwise is just trying to start a pointless argument just to be different.

Hence, Troll thread.

Will you stop with the Troll thread crap?   Regardless if the OP planned on it being one, for the most part its turned into a rather fruitful and meaningful thread.   You continuing to yammer on calling it a troll thread is dragging back down its value.