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[LPPrince]

Leftnt Sharpe wrote...

I have a feeling that Cerberus is one of those organisations where for every one operation we hear about there is ten others that we don't.

Well, unshackled EDI proves there's only about a dozen at a time.

So while we know of the Lazarus Cell, there's actually 11 we don't know about. lol

[Sajuro]

LPPrince wrote...

RyrineaNara wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

I didn't really mean this to be a troll thread, I'm just saying Cerberus seems to be like Team Rocket from the pokemon games.

Team Rocket was more successful than Cerberus.

For christ's sake, they helped save the day in almost every movie.

Team Rocket is good at being the Hero. However are very bad at beening the bad guy.

Exactly. Hell, they saved Arbok and Weezing's lives. And then they made me SUPER DUPER EPIC SADFACED when they told them to leave.

Damn you, writers of the Pokémon show.

Leads to the theory that Team Rocket's purpose is actually so that Kanto and Johto won't be invaded by extremists like Team Aqua/Magma or the Facist comparison Team Galactic.

So maybe Cerberus is the ME equivalent of Team Galactic.

[itbewillyum]

I Think Cerberus and the Alliance are more connected then weve been lead to believe.Cerberus after all was once part of the alliance until they went "rogue" apparently.



I cant really say whos more trustworthy of the two.You get that data on Cerberus in ME2(which i decided to keep for myself) then later on with the Kasumi Loyalty mission you get info on the Alliance.Are these two still connected? Be interesting to see what becomes of these two groups in ME3.EDI also makes mention after shes set lose and can reveal information about weathly people keeping Cerberus open for business.In the end you will probably find Alliance and Council members on the list of people who donate to them if one list should ever surface.



Personally if i had a choice in the matter i would have joined the Blood Pack :-X.Playing as one of the Merc groups would rock!

[mosor]

Sheppard jand ust a couple teammates manage to destroy a geth army a few times and kill a reaper in the process too. People who go against Sheppard just suck in general.

As for Cerberus. It's high risk, high reward. You're gonna get some successes and many times more failures. Thats how scientific research works, especially when dealing with things you're not familiar with. You don't hear about their successes as much because their technologies are disseminated through their front companies. The trick is surviving at the end of it, and Cerberus is quite good at surviving despite the setbacks.

Modifié par mosor, 14 mai 2010 - 10:18 .

[Goodwood]

Goodwood has a difficult time trusting any organization that lives and dies by axioms such as "they knew the risks going in" and "we did what we had to do". The phrase "the road to Hell is paved with good intentions" seems, to Goodwood, to be the epitaph of Cerberus. Timmy in particular acts like the typical dictator that started out with high ideals, but lost them to pragmatism and realpolitik. The organization as a whole doesn't seem to place much value on human lives, despite its pretext of being pro-human.



Sure, Cerberus did some good things, but on the whole, their methods are brutal and their goals are tainted. They started out as terrorists and have never shaken that aspect from their collective psyche -- hopefully Paragon Shepard can salvage the best and brightest (e.g. the crew of the Normandy SR2) from that sinking ship by rallying them to her cause.

[enormousmoonboots]

Shandepared wrote...
You have no idea what they were after or if they even failed.

What could they possibly been after? There's no way Cerberus discovered Thresher Maws, so that can't be it. If they really thought injecting acid blood into someone could possibly have yielded viable information, they're dumber than they look. And they look pretty damn dumb.

That had nothing to do with Cerberus.

They didn't have the security in place to deal with their own beasts going out of control. That's a failure.

Jack escaped but was still utilized as a resource later on. There mere existence of Jack and Gillian is the result of success on Cerberus' part. They created super powerful human biotics, mission accomplished.

"I've created something amazingly powerful! But it killed me and now there's no way of studying or replicating it. That's a success, right?"

They got what they were after so it was a success. Could anyone else have done better? We'll never know but I'm not betting on it. Even the loss of the science team provided Cerberus with new information about indoctrination and husks.

What, that it's bad? That Reapers do it? Stop the presses. I could have asked Rana Thanoptis about that. And what new info could it have provided? The scientists' bodies can't be examined, and it doesn't seem like EDI downloaded any security recordings from the station (had no reason to and I don't think she could get into their systems anyway, because if she could have, she'd have been helping). The only info you take from the station is the IFF. All other data was lost.

[LPPrince]

Shandepared wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

What could they possibly been after?

Perhaps they allowed the threshermaws to hit the marines so that they could test how effective Alliance tactics were against threshermaws. Afterwards the testing may have been done to develop resistances to threshermaw acid. Who can say for certain? However I doubt they did it just for ****s and giggles.
 

Its been noted that that was the first time anyone even found out about threshers.

By anyone, I think its just the Alliance, but I don't recall.

[Goodwood]

Shandepared wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

What could they possibly been after?

Perhaps they allowed the threshermaws to hit the marines so that they could test how effective Alliance tactics were against threshermaws. Afterwards the testing may have been done to develop resistances to threshermaw acid. Who can say for certain? However I doubt they did it just for ****s and giggles.

Goodwood would like to point out that even the most dim-witted idiot or jaded general didn't have to put a whole platoon of his own soldiers against a machine gun in live-fire exercises to know that all he would get back would be a platoon's worth of KIAs.

[DeathScepter]

don't forget what Miranda and Jacob did in ME galaxy. They saved the Council.

[RyrineaNara]

LPPrince wrote...

RyrineaNara wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

I didn't really mean this to be a troll thread, I'm just saying Cerberus seems to be like Team Rocket from the pokemon games.

Team Rocket was more successful than Cerberus.

For christ's sake, they helped save the day in almost every movie.

Team Rocket is good at being the Hero. However are very bad at beening the bad guy.

Exactly. Hell, they saved Arbok and Weezing's lives. And then they made me SUPER DUPER EPIC SADFACED when they told them to leave.

Damn you, writers of the Pokémon show.

.I was pissed off that they left I loved Team Rocket xd.

[enormousmoonboots]

Shandepared wrote...

Perhaps they allowed the threshermaws to hit the marines so that they could test how effective Alliance tactics were against threshermaws. Afterwards the testing may have been done to develop resistances to threshermaw acid. Who can say for certain? However I doubt they did it just for ****s and giggles.

It's implied that the thresher was initially lured to the colony, not the marines. They were testing what it looks like when a bunch of civillians die?

They did it once, they could do it again. Regardless, Jack wound up being quite useful and Gillian's abilities prove that Cerberus has made progress in producing powerful human biotics.

They can do it, but they can't control it. That's not a success. And I wouldn't agree with 'they can do it again', it clearly requires a lot of rigorous testing to determine what makes a human biotic powerful (the other subjects in with Jack and the trial-and-error with Gillian). When you lose the data for a trial-and-error experiment, you have to do it all over again. They couldn't just replicate Jack or Gillian, they're have to start from square one.

I really shouldn't need to explain this to you, but I'm going to anyway. Understanding how indoctrination occurs and how affects people could be invaluable in the coming battle. Indoctrination is the Reaper's greatest weapon. We need to know everything possible about it. Seriously, use your brain. Sarcasm has a tendency to backfire on you if all it does is make you look ignorant.

In any case, that was merely a side effect of the mission to the derelict Reaper. Their primary goal was to procure the IFF which is the only thing that allowed Shepard to stop the Collectors. The mission was a success regardless of the losses. 

But you take no data from the base! You gain no more understanding of indoctrination. Even that it appears to be an unconscious/instinctive process by the Reapers, Rana Thanoptis, Shiala, and Benezia all tell you.

All of the scientists and all of the data on the derelict Reaper were lost. You gain nothing but the IFF. It's a failure because you lost any possible gain.

Modifié par enormousmoonboots, 14 mai 2010 - 11:11 .

[Barquiel]

DeathScepter wrote...

don't forget what Miranda and Jacob did in ME galaxy. They saved the Council.

Jacob enlisted with Cerberus after the events of ME:Galaxy

[OverlordNexas]

Yeah Cerberus kinda sucks at just about everything thing they do. Really I did them a favor by blowing up the Collector base. Knowing them they would have somehow revived the Reaper fetus and it would go on to murder everyone and I would have to fly back there to destroy it again.

[Dean_the_Young]

Barquiel wrote...

DeathScepter wrote...

don't forget what Miranda and Jacob did in ME galaxy. They saved the Council.

Jacob enlisted with Cerberus after the events of ME:Galaxy

Miranda was a member during the events. Cerberus was instrumental.

[OverlordNexas]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

DeathScepter wrote...

don't forget what Miranda and Jacob did in ME galaxy. They saved the Council.

Jacob enlisted with Cerberus after the events of ME:Galaxy

Miranda was a member during the events. Cerberus was instrumental.

You mean the part where she sat on her ass the whole time while Jacob ran around doing everything?

[enormousmoonboots]

Shandepared wrote...

Did you read the Illusive Man's mission summary? Data was taken from the base.  Sorry, kid, but you're wrong here (as you are everywhere else, unsurprisingly).

Sorry I don't have four hundred dollars to drop on a new television, oh ancient and learned Shandepared. Since nobody ever actually mentions recovering indoctrination data from the base and there seems to be no window in which to download that data, I figured it didn't happen.

[Dean_the_Young]

Leftnt Sharpe wrote...

I have a feeling that Cerberus is one of those organisations where for every one operation we hear about there is ten others that we don't.

This is the case with most black world groups: if you heard about it, it's because they messed up. People have strong opinions on CIA incompetence for much the same reason. Shadow Agencies are like Icebergs: what you see is only a fraction of what there is, and nearly all the successes will be underwater.

Personally what I would like to see in ME3 would be some sort of showdown, possibly face-to-face, with the Illusive Man where he shows how Cerberus is basically the reason for humanities success on the galactic stage. making Shepard look like some moody spoilt brat and forcing some sort of bizarre moral event horizon on the player. So it turns out that Cerberus really IS humanity and Mr man completely ****s with everyones heads.

Unfortunately that's unlikely to happen because it would be too awesome.

While that would amusing (I personally would like to hear how TIM's been supporting pro-peace Batarians for a peace treaty or somesuch), it'd also be nice if much of the pointless-evil of Cerberus from the first game were given any sort of context. Even the rogue cell with Jack had a reason: pain breaks down biotic barriers (possibly why any Shepard has such strong biotics). What was the point of Thresher Max acid?

I'd laugh it that's the ingredient in medigel.

[Dean_the_Young]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Did you read the Illusive Man's mission summary? Data was taken from the base.  Sorry, kid, but you're wrong here (as you are everywhere else, unsurprisingly).

Sorry I don't have four hundred dollars to drop on a new television, oh ancient and learned Shandepared. Since nobody ever actually mentions recovering indoctrination data from the base and there seems to be no window in which to download that data, I figured it didn't happen.

Squinting helps. That's what I do, and I have a smaller screen than most.

The IFF was the priority for the Reaper team (making the recovery of it a mission success), but it wasn't the only thing derived.

Reading the mission summaries can be pretty interesting, since they're a for-TIM summary of events and offer insights you wouldn't otherwise pickup.

[Sajuro]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Perhaps they allowed the threshermaws to hit the marines so that they could test how effective Alliance tactics were against threshermaws. Afterwards the testing may have been done to develop resistances to threshermaw acid. Who can say for certain? However I doubt they did it just for ****s and giggles.

It's implied that the thresher was initially lured to the colony, not the marines. They were testing what it looks like when a bunch of civillians die?

Ummm.. how effective Civilian tactics were against Thresher Maws. And I'm pretty sure you do not develop a resistance to Thresher Maw acid by being injected with it.... Thresher Maw acid isn't a disease you can develop a resistance to when it is injected into you.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Shandepared wrote...

enormousmoonboots wrote...

They didn't have the security in place to deal with their own beasts going out of control. That's a failure.

You are confusing Exo-Geni with Cerberus, an understandable error but still an error. Nodacrux was not a Cerberus base.

Cerberus has some involvement with the Thorian incident:

-Binthu (UNC: Cerberus, Kahoku) confirmed they were in the possesion of several Creepers, which leads one to wonder what the exact relationshipt between ExoGeni and Cerberus is. ExoGeni may very well be just another front for Cerberus (or be Cerberus funded, or possibly even vice-versa).

-Nodacrux may very well be another Cerberus cell (as Miranda said, members from one cell can't recognise another)

-Ontarom, the third ExoGeni planet (UNC: Dead Scientists, Toombs) practically confirms my theory. There just don't accidentally happen to be several Cerberus scientists on one of your new-ish planet. Also, it might be worth noting that ExoGeni and another company called Heyuan Genomics officially represented the Alliance's effort into terraforming this planet into a more habitable one.

-Chasca  (UNC: Colony of the Dead), which we are led to by a console in the ExoGeni headquarters which already confirms Cerberus involvement, leads us to a bunch of husks and Dragon's Teeth.

-Trebin (UNC: Missing Survey Team), which cannot be proven as a Cerberus-related planet, once again shows us ExoGeni messing around with Dragon's Teeth and the entire "survey team" (Cell?) getting turned into husks.
Also: later you can hear a news story concerning the fate of the survey team. ExoGeni states the team was killed by passing raiders or mercenaries, and they will release the names of the deceased once next of kin are notified.

ExoGeni's method of rapidly colonizing then extracting any artifacts for 'unknown purposes' also sounds very Cerberus. Given all this proof, I wouldn't be surprised if Cerberus providing money for Horizon after the Collector attack also happened through ExoGeni.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 15 mai 2010 - 12:04 .