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[Dean_the_Young]

There are no girls on the internet. Only more disgustingly malformed men.

[NKKKK]

No, I believe she's a chick.

[Sajuro]

aaaaaaaaah!

[Dean_the_Young]

NKKKK wrote...

No, I believe she's a chick.

If she's a chick then I'm a man.

[NKKKK]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

No, I believe she's a chick.

If she's a chick then I'm a man.

Good for you sir.

[Sajuro]

poor bob, all he did was think that Cerberus is awesome... run NKKKK before you're husked too!

[Arijharn]

lovgreno wrote...
In any case knowing ancient prothean or reaper language doesn't help much when decoding information from the modern reapers or the collectors. The language have probably changed too much over time. Not to mention that the coding to hide valuable information from curious organics should have been improved as well. Add a strong dose of indoctrination and any reaper secrets should be quite safe.

/sigh. Can we get a new record please? Are you seriously sitting there and not comprehending the analogy? Do you remember why Legion was on the Derelict Reaper on the first place?

To recap: It was so the (True) Geth could understand the data storage methods of Reaper cyberwarfare designs - specifically against them.

Okay, just so we're on the same page, I'm going to point out that what I'm going to say next is, lo behold, an analogy:

Reaper cyberwarfare virus to rewrite Geth to the heretic conclusions is a weapon.
Reaper indoctrination to rewrite Organic thought processes is a weapon.

The True Geth sent an agent (Legion) to discover the cyberwarfare virus data storage methods. The keyword here is to 'discover'. This implies understanding/comprehension.

It would be prudent because Indoctrination, like the Geth virus, rewrites organic thought processes. The Reapers are the only known 'data storage device' for this weapon, hence the need to develop counter-measures for it's eventual deployment (you would, as would everyone else, be incredibly naive to assume that it wouldn't be deployed against organic species when the Reapers arrive en masse, which we all strongly believe to be the case).

Do you know why Legion went to the Derelict Reaper to understand this? Because he couldn't go to the Heretic Geth (for whatever reason). Nor could he 'remotely' analyse it because what the hell could that do? Do you perceive a brick without looking at it? Sure, you know what a brick looks like conceptually, but without actually looking at said brick, you don't see it's texture, you can't see any faults in its manufacture without examining it (and like the word use of discover beforehand, this implies understanding/comprehension).

What is the simplest method of examining Reaper technology, but at vastly reduced risk of being affected by Reaper technology? The Collector Base! The Collectors, incidentally, had other cool pieces of kit that might be useful too (Particle Beam Rifles, manufacturing processes, etc, etc) that might not even have anything to do Reapers.

There are simplistic methods you can do to minimize the chances of being indoctrinated (which I've said before, but no... no one looks at it/comments on it because it makes sense!). Cerberus, at a glance due to the fact that it's the only one organisation that recognizes them as a threat, is the only one willing to do something about it, therefore they can hardly be called 'inept.'

Modifié par Arijharn, 31 mai 2010 - 03:06 .

[NKKKK]

Sajuro wrote...

poor bob, all he did was think that Cerberus is awesome... run NKKKK before you're husked too!

Hey, being husked ain't so bad, don't have to pee or eat anymore

[Sajuro]

Indoctrination isn't something that is 'deployed' it isn't an active weapon like a cruiser or even the virus because organics are not like Geth in the sense that they don't link up to everyone else. I was always under the impression that the indoctrinated the reapers used were prisoners and people who thought they could escape death by helping reapers, and I doubt either group would be able to effectively employ such countermeasures.

[Sajuro]

NKKKK wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

poor bob, all he did was think that Cerberus is awesome... run NKKKK before you're husked too!

Hey, being husked ain't so bad, don't have to pee or eat anymore

But I don't think you can play video games either...they're called space zombies for a reason

[GothamLord]

Sajuro wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

poor bob, all he did was think that Cerberus is awesome... run NKKKK before you're husked too!

Hey, being husked ain't so bad, don't have to pee or eat anymore

But I don't think you can play video games either...they're called space zombies for a reason

Zombies in Shaun of the Dead appeared to be able to still play video games.   

[Sajuro]

GothamLord wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

poor bob, all he did was think that Cerberus is awesome... run NKKKK before you're husked too!

Hey, being husked ain't so bad, don't have to pee or eat anymore

But I don't think you can play video games either...they're called space zombies for a reason

Zombies in Shaun of the Dead appeared to be able to still play video games.   

But that's because that's all the roommate did when he was alive..... ok so I guess Dean could still play video games.

[Nightwriter]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

No, I believe she's a chick.

If she's a chick then I'm a man.

If you're a man then I'm a chick!

[Arijharn]

Sajuro wrote...

Indoctrination isn't something that is 'deployed' it isn't an active weapon like a cruiser or even the virus because organics are not like Geth in the sense that they don't link up to everyone else. I was always under the impression that the indoctrinated the reapers used were prisoners and people who thought they could escape death by helping reapers, and I doubt either group would be able to effectively employ such countermeasures.

True, it's not a 'deployed' weapon in the sense it isn't launched like a missile or fired like a rocket, but it's still a weapon regardless  (i.e., it affects us negatively for the purposes of subjugation). To argue whether it's a weapon in the classical sense is probably just being pedantic though.

I hope you aren't arguing however that you shouldn't seek to develop (employ) counter-measures to defeat this weapon because it isn't likely to succeed at all though. What's that saying? "You never never know if you never never try"?

Sure, you'll be able to defeat the Reapers without studying indoctrination at all (it's the game), but I guess I'm guilty of trying to be too pragmatic. I.e., what if the Reapers were real (i.e., not in the game).  Isn't doing everything you can to defeat this threat, no matter how 'squeamish' it may be the only true morally correct thing to do? When I hear that some people destroy the Collector Base for any reason, I get this mental image of someone like a WW2 soldier sitting down in the middle of a fierce battle with a broken look in his eye. I can understand that he might be going through a great deal of emotional pain et al, but that sense of willingness to die? That desire to just lay down and accept his fate for what it is? I find that thought to be truly abhorrent (and damn scary)... worse than anything thrown at Cerberus.

[Sajuro]

Nightwriter wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

No, I believe she's a chick.

If she's a chick then I'm a man.

If you're a man then I'm a chick!

If he's a man, and you're a chick... does that make me a space hamster? -meep-

[Sajuro]

Arijharn wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Indoctrination isn't something that is 'deployed' it isn't an active weapon like a cruiser or even the virus because organics are not like Geth in the sense that they don't link up to everyone else. I was always under the impression that the indoctrinated the reapers used were prisoners and people who thought they could escape death by helping reapers, and I doubt either group would be able to effectively employ such countermeasures.

Sure, you'll be able to defeat the Reapers without studying indoctrination at all (it's the game), but I guess I'm guilty of trying to be too pragmatic. I.e., what if the Reapers were real (i.e., not in the game).  Isn't doing everything you can to defeat this threat, no matter how 'squeamish' it may be the only true morally correct thing to do? When I hear that some people destroy the Collector Base for any reason, I get this mental image of someone like a WW2 soldier sitting down in the middle of a fierce battle with a broken look in his eye. I can understand that he might be going through a great deal of emotional pain et al, but that sense of willingness to die? That desire to just lay down and accept his fate for what it is? I find that thought to be truly abhorrent (and damn scary)... worse than anything thrown at Cerberus.

The reason I'm against studying indoctrination is because what I saw at Saren's base, the Salarians who weren't fighting you were either insane or in a veggie state. While pulling out all the stops  to defeat such an evil sounds like the right thing to do, you may very well become the monster you were fighting (not literally a reaper but using indoctrination to subjugate people... you know so they'll help you fight the reapers). I feel I''d rather die with honor than live with my self after doing such abhorrent things, and humans are remarkably well known for taking a third option when they are only given two.

[Vicious]

You disagree with my opinion?! Well you sir, ARE A PLANT!"

[Sajuro]

Your avatar reminds me of Russel Brand

[Arijharn]

Vicious wrote...

You disagree with my opinion?! Well you sir, ARE A PLANT!"

lol, what's that from again? /ashamed

[Nightwriter]

Sajuro wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

No, I believe she's a chick.

If she's a chick then I'm a man.

If you're a man then I'm a chick!

If he's a man, and you're a chick... does that make me a space hamster? -meep-

Perhaps we should ask Bob.

[Sajuro]

Nightwriter wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

NKKKK wrote...

No, I believe she's a chick.

If she's a chick then I'm a man.

If you're a man then I'm a chick!

If he's a man, and you're a chick... does that make me a space hamster? -meep-

Perhaps we should ask Bob.

Hey bob?

oh, looks like Bob made some new friends.

[Nightwriter]

Crap. Maybe we should just ask Bob real quick then.

H-hey Bob? Oh wait - he's thinking.



Wait... maybe... B-Bob?



Ahhh!! He's not thinking!! He's not thinking!!

[Sajuro]

Well, I suppose it couldn't get any worse-

gah- Evil Liara!

[lovgreno]

@Arijharn: Your arguments for studying reaper tech are very good and you present them very good like most people do in this thread. I'm not saying they are wrong, I'm just saying there are alternative arguments. What to choose is much up to what kind of person Shepard is. In this case there are realy no good alternative, only several bad alternatives.

[Mouton_Alpha]

lovgreno wrote...

@Arijharn: Your arguments for studying reaper tech are very good and you present them very good like most people do in this thread. I'm not saying they are wrong, I'm just saying there are alternative arguments. What to choose is much up to what kind of person Shepard is. In this case there are realy no good alternative, only several bad alternatives.

I don't think many people question the sole idea of studying the tech - just the idea of Cerberus doing it.