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[lovgreno]

Shandepared wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

He never gives the full story, not even close. Just enough to make people do the next task he have for them. What is he hiding? Something good or something bad?

You're complaining that he only gives you enough information to complete the task at hand?

Why exactly?

What is he hiding? Something good or something bad? Any information is potentialy usefull information. He did say that he wanted Shepard to make his/her own decisions but by keeping important information from Shepard he proves that was bull.  Also it proves that Shepard and everyone else is just  a stepping stone for him that can be discarded as soon as they are not usefull anymore. TIM is certain that only he is skilled enough to know everything. Only he is moraly superior to know what is best for humanity.

[lovgreno]

Shandepared wrote...
 

lovgreno wrote...

TIM is certain that only he is skilled enough to know everything. Only he is moraly superior to know what is best for humanity.

Don't presume to judge him or his motives.

A typical case of messiah complex. Only he knows what is best for humanity, the rest of us must fall in line or be forced to do so with any means necesary.

[Wildecker]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Collectors didn't poses even slightest threath for humanity in general, they targeted ONLY Terminus colonies confidentially staing away from any colonies within Council controlled space... question is WHY and from who they have info that it's perfectly safe to attack Freedoms Progrees or Horizon without fear of military retalitations from Council and the Alliance?

Much to my chagrin, I find myself of the same opinion as Shandepared on this point ... a mysterious force that sneaks up on human colonists and makes them vanish in numbers that rack up to tens of thousands IS a threat to humanity. Those people may have turned their back on the Alliance, but they didn't stop being human. If I want to design a bioweapon to wipe out the human race I need test subjects, and a lot of them. And I'd start "collecting" those guinea pigs at places that are less well defended than Earth, Eden Prime or Bekenstein.
You want information on the location of human colonies? Hire a few goons on Omega, or capture a trader and loot his starmaps. Mission accomplished.

Asheer_Khan wrote...

No TiM have only one goal... get inside of Collector base AT ALL COSTS and trust me... not to save humanity.
TiM known that he doesn't poses necessary "assets" to assure overtaking of that station using his own forces so he started long term project involving Shepard.

When TIM started Project Lazarus, the Collctors had not even begun to abduct colonists. When Shepard and the Normandy set out to stop the Collectors, all anyone knew was they came and went through the Omega Relay, and we pretty much expected to find at least one solar system with at least one planet filled with Collectors.

Who would have guessed they're just a bunch of gene-engineered punks living inside a big hollow rock and that the Dirty Dozen could shut down their entire operation? That's like your long range reconnaisance patrol stumbling into the enemy HQ with the entire hostile government inside. That's a once-in-a-lifetime-opportunity.

Modifié par Wildecker, 03 juin 2010 - 11:33 .

[Xaijin]

I really shouldn't need to explain this to you, but I'm going to anyway.
Understanding how indoctrination occurs and how affects people could be
invaluable in the coming
battle. Indoctrination is the Reaper's greatest weapon. We need to know
everything possible about it. Seriously, use your brain. Sarcasm has a
tendency to backfire on you if all it does is make you look ignorant.

In
any case, that was merely a side effect of the mission to the
derelict Reaper. Their primary goal was to procure the IFF which is the
only thing that allowed Shepard to stop the Collectors. The mission was
a success regardless of the losses.

I wasn't to bother until reading amazing this pile of ignorance. Cerberus didn't discover ANYTHING important about indoctrination other than it works amazingly well on humans. Wow, thanks Cerberus, you made the obvious obvious They don't even know how it occurs, much less how to counteract it.

"The architecture in here is scary and oppressive by design." Wow, that took 20 years and multiple phd's to get across.


 

[Asheer_Khan]

Again... all informations about abductions we get from TiM since we can't count at any Alliance intel in that matter so what would stop TiM from put every count in abduction casualties since we can't seriously made any veryfication of them.



Second thing... if really so many colonists freely chose to settle in RED ZONE then there is something deadly wrong whit official Alliance settling program...



No one whit even spark of logic would settle in area under constant risk of raids from Terminus pirates and slavers without any kind of military backup in case of such raids... and then Shepard wake up after two years and learn that thousand colonists settle war area... sorry folks but there is something very fishy in that picture... especially after blitz where Batarians and thier helpers proven how ruthless they can be.



No i think this whole "Terminus case" was put in game to give one more "excuse" to show even more Alliance and the Council picture as ruthless formations who not only ignored reaper threat but as well turned thier back to suffering because of Collectors attacks colonists and because of that ascending Cerberus And TiM to role single Galactic saviors...



Walters by creating this whole abduction stuff gives Alliance and Council haters carte blanche to freely bashing them and give him even more reasons to destroying thier image even further in ME 3 and what is rather sad many people did catch that bait....

[Wildecker]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Again... all informations about abductions we get from TiM since we can't count at any Alliance intel in that matter so what would stop TiM from put every count in abduction casualties since we can't seriously made any veryfication of them.

Second thing... if really so many colonists freely chose to settle in RED ZONE then there is something deadly wrong whit official Alliance settling program...

No one whit even spark of logic would settle in area under constant risk of raids from Terminus pirates and slavers without any kind of military backup in case of such raids... and then Shepard wake up after two years and learn that thousand colonists settle war area... sorry folks but there is something very fishy in that picture... especially after blitz where Batarians and thier helpers proven how ruthless they can be.

No i think this whole "Terminus case" was put in game to give one more "excuse" to show even more Alliance and the Council picture as ruthless formations who not only ignored reaper threat but as well turned thier back to suffering because of Collectors attacks colonists and because of that ascending Cerberus And TiM to role single Galactic saviors...

Have you, by chance, ever seen a few episodes of "Firefly" and/or "Serenity:the Movie"? The Systems Alliance means well. But it also stands for rules, regulations, laws and taxes, and some people would rather make a living on their own terms. Alliance authorities probably take a dim view on feudal or tribal structures emerging on a colony, so if you're into that style of living (or would rather see your laws derived from some religious rules instead of the Alliance's human rights standard), you'll have to find a place beyond the border. The odds of an occasional Batarian Slaver dropping in have been reduced dramatically since Torfan, mind you.

No one with a spark of logic would kill a woman for "permitting herself to get in a situation where she eventually got raped" while handing the rapist a judgement of "twenty strokes with a cane, lad, and don't do it again."
No one with a spark of logic would even consider to leave young girls in the tender care of a couple of thugs who grabbed them from their parents. But wait, they got forced into wedding their kidnappers and convert to their faith, so it's illegal now to return them to their parents who follow a different religion?

Remember that utterly useless guy on Horizon who hid inside that retreat and did not even want to come along and help me defend his home? But after I managed to force the Collectors into withdrawing, he shows up and complains that I let them get away with so many colonists. Logic and people don't mix well.

Modifié par Wildecker, 03 juin 2010 - 12:59 .

[lovgreno]

Shandepared wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

A typical case of messiah complex. Only he knows what is best for humanity, the rest of us must fall in line or be forced to do so with any means necesary.

Frankly I trust him more than I do you or any other seditious paragon.

Considering that you don't know anything about me and almost nothing about TIM that doesn't mean much.

[Nightwriter]

I don't find it strange that Shand trusts TIM more than he would trust any of us.

Shand at least understands TIM. TIM thinks the way he does, he can predict his actions and motivations and knows what to expect. This makes TIM likable.

It's by the same token that we don't trust TIM - we do not share his values, which are Shand's values: power and gain. We do not think the way TIM does. We value justice and morality and we know TIM does not. Thus we are ever suspicious.

Modifié par Nightwriter, 03 juin 2010 - 09:15 .

[Dean_the_Young]

To be fair, I wouldn't trust most of you for the controversial decisions either.

Especially you, Nightwriter.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 03 juin 2010 - 09:18 .

[Nightwriter]

I am not incapable of making tough decisions. I am generally just more aware of the fact that this is a videogame.

I know that I will be able to achieve a good resolution in nine situations out of ten. This tends to drain the realism out of the choice for me and make renegade decisions seem not only needless but deliberately destructive.

[Pacifien]

I'm amused by the translation of one's decisions in a game to an assessment of their personality outside of the game. As if my blowing up the Collector base is evidence that I have never made a controversial or difficult decision in my life.

[Pacifien]

Shandepared wrote...
It's not hard to figure out. Most people who play paragon are inherently opposed to any human nationalism in the game. They automatically side against any human looking to advance human interests and often they embrace the ideologies of foreign powers (Legion especially). This is pretty much the trademark of your modern leftist.

Some decisions in life aren't political.

[Nightwriter]

Perhaps they became pissy because you were making a careless and ignorant generalization by implying that morality and a belief in the power of fairness is somehow isolated to the democratic party.

Though why they wasted time or emotion over such a statement is beyond me.

[Dean_the_Young]

Nightwriter wrote...

I am not incapable of making tough decisions. I am generally just more aware of the fact that this is a videogame.

I know that I will be able to achieve a good resolution in nine situations out of ten. This tends to drain the realism out of the choice for me and make renegade decisions seem not only needless but deliberately destructive.

That was a joke.

[Nightwriter]

Where is the rimshot?

[lovgreno]

Shandepared wrote...

I once implied that most paragons were democrats/liberals/Obama voters and everyone got pissy about it which tells me I was right.

It's not hard to figure out. Most people who play paragon are inherently opposed to any human nationalism in the game. They automatically side against any human looking to advance human interests and often they embrace the ideologies of foreign powers (Legion especially). This is pretty much the trademark of your modern leftist.

Please explain why paragon automaticaly = democrats/liberals/Obama/pissy/against human policies/modern leftist/supporting foreign powers/etc...etc...

But if you think I and many others are not able to understand your arguments that is not a problem for me. You are allowed to have whatever opinion you want without having to defend it with any kind of arguments or logic. That is what democracy is all about: You can choose whatever opinion you like best withouth having to defend it in any definition of logic that you personaly like.

[Dean_the_Young]

You don't have to defend your opinion, true. So why are you?

[Sajuro]

Wildecker wrote...



Remember that utterly useless guy on Horizon who hid inside that retreat and did not even want to come along and help me defend his home? But after I managed to force the Collectors into withdrawing, he shows up and complains that I let them get away with so many colonists. Logic and people don't mix well.

May I ask what you would have wanted the guy on Horizon to do? If he left the room to help you it would have just resulted in a dead colonist. As for him complaining, that's a natural reaction when you see so many people you know (including your loved ones). He went through shock and focused his anger on Shepard (granted without reason) who he viewed as the one responsible for not stopping the collectors.

[Vaenier]

Sajuro wrote...

Wildecker wrote...



Remember that utterly useless guy on Horizon who hid inside that retreat and did not even want to come along and help me defend his home? But after I managed to force the Collectors into withdrawing, he shows up and complains that I let them get away with so many colonists. Logic and people don't mix well.

May I ask what you would have wanted the guy on Horizon to do? If he left the room to help you it would have just resulted in a dead colonist. As for him complaining, that's a natural reaction when you see so many people you know (including your loved ones). He went through shock and focused his anger on Shepard (granted without reason) who he viewed as the one responsible for not stopping the collectors.

You just agreed with him while trying to argue against him?

He was saying that people do not behave logicaly. Then you said it is normal for people to not behave logicaly.

Humans are confusing.

[Sajuro]

Vaenier wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

Wildecker wrote...



Remember that utterly useless guy on Horizon who hid inside that retreat and did not even want to come along and help me defend his home? But after I managed to force the Collectors into withdrawing, he shows up and complains that I let them get away with so many colonists. Logic and people don't mix well.

May I ask what you would have wanted the guy on Horizon to do? If he left the room to help you it would have just resulted in a dead colonist. As for him complaining, that's a natural reaction when you see so many people you know (including your loved ones). He went through shock and focused his anger on Shepard (granted without reason) who he viewed as the one responsible for not stopping the collectors.

You just agreed with him while trying to argue against him?

He was saying that people do not behave logicaly. Then you said it is normal for people to not behave logicaly.

Humans are confusing.

has your mind been blown yet . I realized I was agreeing with him halfway through, I was just contesting him calling the guy on Horizon useless since he couldn't have done anything if he had come with me. Plus this way he can be in Conrad's Verner's squad in ME3