I read a quote recently and it made me realise that the trouble I have with anti-Cerberus people is that, by and large, they are not just anti-Cerberus.
They are also anti-industry, anti-capitalism, anti-advertising, anti-selling, anti-profit, anti-USA, anti-patriotism, anti-police, anti-army, anti-nukes, anti-authority. Almost anything that made the world a freer, safer and more prosperous place, you name it, they're anti it.
Cerberus is a surprisingly inept organization
Débuté par
Sajuro
, mai 14 2010 09:39
Retour en haut
#902
Posté 08 juin 2010 - 12:30
lovgreno
-
- Members
- 3 523 messages
Yeah we are all whimpy left wing commie pinko bleeding heart liberals that doesn't have the guts to dirty our hands to save the galaxy. Or maybe the thruth is more complicated than that?
#903
Guest_Shandepared_*
Posté 08 juin 2010 - 12:32
Guest_Shandepared_*
Guest_Shandepared_*
-
- Guests
CaptainZaysh wrote...
I read a quote recently and it made me realise that the trouble I have with anti-Cerberus people is that, by and large, they are not just anti-Cerberus.
They are also anti-industry, anti-capitalism, anti-advertising, anti-selling, anti-profit, anti-USA, anti-patriotism, anti-police, anti-army, anti-nukes, anti-authority. Almost anything that made the world a freer, safer and more prosperous place, you name it, they're anti it.
Like I said, Paragons are largely leftists. It fits their ideology of sedition and symapthy for foreign entities. Self-loathing and all that.
#904
Posté 08 juin 2010 - 02:15
Mangalores
-
- Members
- 468 messages
CaptainZaysh wrote...
...
They are also anti-industry, anti-capitalism, anti-advertising, anti-selling, anti-profit, anti-USA, anti-patriotism, anti-police, anti-army, anti-nukes, anti-authority. Almost anything that made the world a freer, safer and more prosperous place, you name it, they're anti it.
None of your mentioned buzzwords have any actual correlation to freedom, prosperity, safety or are actually contrary to it (police, army and authority actually being by their very purpose unfree and anti freedom as they limit people's liberty via laws, force or their purpose and only cost money).
Usually the three concepts of freedom, propserity and safety are at constant odds with each other so any drilldown to some ultimate truth always fails. If you want safety you have to give up freedom and money, if you want money you can't afford safety and thus protection of your freedom, you want freedom, forget safety and wether you get money will largely depend on your luck.
#905
Posté 08 juin 2010 - 07:40
CaptainZaysh
-
- Members
- 2 603 messages
See, this is what I'm talking about. How protected from real life do you have to be to think that having a police force does not correlate with a country's wealth, freedom or security? Mangalores should go somewhere where there isn't one and see how rich, free and safe the average joe
is. I hear Somalia is nice this time of year.
Is anyone anti-Cerberus but pro the things on my list?
is. I hear Somalia is nice this time of year.
Is anyone anti-Cerberus but pro the things on my list?
#906
Posté 08 juin 2010 - 07:55
Dean_the_Young
-
- Members
- 20 676 messages
This is funny because I knew a French leftist who constantly identified Somalia as a rightwinger's paradise: highly religious and no government interference.CaptainZaysh wrote...
See, this is what I'm talking about. How protected from real life do you have to be to think that having a police force does not correlate with a country's wealth, freedom or security? Mangalores should go somewhere where there isn't one and see how rich, free and safe the average joe is. I hear Somalia is nice this time of year.
#907
Guest_Shandepared_*
Posté 08 juin 2010 - 08:03
Guest_Shandepared_*
Guest_Shandepared_*
-
- Guests
I guess Somalia is everyone's paradise.
#908
Posté 08 juin 2010 - 08:22
FourSixEight
-
- Members
- 349 messages
CaptainZaysh wrote...
I read a quote recently and it made me realise that the trouble I have with anti-Cerberus people is that, by and large, they are not just anti-Cerberus.
They are also anti-industry, anti-capitalism, anti-advertising, anti-selling, anti-profit, anti-USA, anti-patriotism, anti-police, anti-army, anti-nukes, anti-authority. Almost anything that made the world a freer, safer and more prosperous place, you name it, they're anti it.
Well, you may be having trouble with the kind of people no one wants to argue with. Personally, I'm just anti-Cerberus because of their speciesism policy, and I had hoped to work with the Council in ME3. I don't hate them; they were certainly useful in getting Shepard back on his/her feet, but Mr. Illusive wants to work with Reaper tech, he'll have to do it with a new base.
Modifié par FourSixEight, 08 juin 2010 - 08:22 .
#909
Guest_Shandepared_*
Posté 08 juin 2010 - 08:29
Guest_Shandepared_*
Guest_Shandepared_*
-
- Guests
FourSixEight wrote...
Personally, I'm just anti-Cerberus because of their speciesism policy, and I had hoped to work with the Council in ME3.
That's a tad hypocritical, don't you think?
#910
Posté 08 juin 2010 - 08:44
Barquiel
-
- Members
- 5 847 messages
CaptainZaysh wrote...
I read a quote recently and it made me realise that the trouble I have with anti-Cerberus people is that, by and large, they are not just anti-Cerberus.
They are also anti-industry, anti-capitalism, anti-advertising, anti-selling, anti-profit, anti-USA, anti-patriotism, anti-police, anti-army, anti-nukes, anti-authority. Almost anything that made the world a freer, safer and more prosperous place, you name it, they're anti it.
Patriotism makes the world a freer, safer and more prosperous place??
Would you care to elaborate?
#911
Guest_Shandepared_*
Posté 08 juin 2010 - 09:17
Guest_Shandepared_*
Guest_Shandepared_*
-
- Guests
Barquiel wrote...
Patriotism makes the world a freer, safer and more prosperous place??
Would you care to elaborate?
Depends on the country.
#912
Posté 08 juin 2010 - 09:46
Barquiel
-
- Members
- 5 847 messages
Shandepared wrote...
Barquiel wrote...
Patriotism makes the world a freer, safer and more prosperous place??
Would you care to elaborate?
Depends on the country.
Well, I'm from Germany:whistle:
I think the European Union made europe a freer, safer and more prosperous place...and not the nationalism in the late 19th/early 20th Century.
That's the reason why I support the council, not Cerberus (and I am not anti-capitalism, anti-police,...)
#913
Guest_Shandepared_*
Posté 08 juin 2010 - 09:54
Guest_Shandepared_*
Guest_Shandepared_*
-
- Guests
Barquiel wrote...
Well, I'm from Germany:whistle:
I think the European Union made europe a freer, safer and more prosperous place...
Oh it certainly has, for Germany at least. (and France)
#914
Posté 08 juin 2010 - 10:06
Mouton_Alpha
-
- Members
- 483 messages
You are Greek?Shandepared wrote...
Barquiel wrote...
Well, I'm from Germany:whistle:
I think the European Union made europe a freer, safer and more prosperous place...
Oh it certainly has, for Germany at least. (and France)
#915
Guest_Shandepared_*
Posté 08 juin 2010 - 10:10
Guest_Shandepared_*
Guest_Shandepared_*
-
- Guests
Mouton_Alpha wrote...
You are Greek?
Busted.
#916
Posté 08 juin 2010 - 10:44
Nightwriter
-
- Members
- 9 800 messages
CaptainZaysh wrote...
Is anyone anti-Cerberus but pro the things on my list?
I am anti-Cerberus but pro all the things on your list.
That is...
I am anti-Cerberus, pro-industry, pro-capitalism, pro-advertising, pro-selling, pro-profit, pro-USA, pro-patriotism, pro-police, pro-army, pro-nukes (no really), and pro-authority. Did I get everything?
It amuses me when you try to generalize us like this.
Do it again!
#917
Guest_Shandepared_*
Posté 08 juin 2010 - 10:51
Guest_Shandepared_*
Guest_Shandepared_*
-
- Guests
You're in the minority, Nightwriter. Or at least the vocal anti-Cerberus, anti-human, anti-Renegade crowd.
#918
Posté 08 juin 2010 - 10:53
Nightwriter
-
- Members
- 9 800 messages
Really? That must be why you all act like just because I'm anti-Cerberus I want to take away your right to bear arms or something.
#919
Posté 08 juin 2010 - 10:54
ObserverStatus
-
- Members
- 19 046 messages
What? Nightwriter isn't anti-human.Shandepared wrote...
You're in the minority, Nightwriter. Or at least the vocal anti-Cerberus, anti-human, anti-Renegade crowd.
You're insane.
#920
Guest_Shandepared_*
Posté 08 juin 2010 - 10:55
Guest_Shandepared_*
Guest_Shandepared_*
-
- Guests
Nightwriter wrote...
Really? That must be why you all act like just because I'm anti-Cerberus I want to take away your right to bear arms or something.
Dean has said many times that you're among the smarter of the dummies, so perhaps he was right after all.
#921
Posté 08 juin 2010 - 11:00
drunken pyromaniac
-
- Members
- 8 098 messages
*peeks in*
Jesus Christ....
I tend to lean more towards being a Paragon and I am anti-Cerberus. In RL I classify myself as moderate with slight leanings towatds conservatism. Socially, I'm mostly liberal except for taxes and in foreign policy and concerning the military I'm more conservative. Where do I fit into your little "all Paragons are godless, liberal commies"?
Jesus Christ....
I tend to lean more towards being a Paragon and I am anti-Cerberus. In RL I classify myself as moderate with slight leanings towatds conservatism. Socially, I'm mostly liberal except for taxes and in foreign policy and concerning the military I'm more conservative. Where do I fit into your little "all Paragons are godless, liberal commies"?
#922
Guest_Shandepared_*
Posté 08 juin 2010 - 11:03
Guest_Shandepared_*
Guest_Shandepared_*
-
- Guests
I find it hard to believe that a paragon would have any "conservative" leanings towards foreign policy. That or you're just a fool.
#923
Posté 08 juin 2010 - 11:03
ObserverStatus
-
- Members
- 19 046 messages
You really do have a condescending demeanor Shandepared, you know that?
#924
Posté 08 juin 2010 - 11:04
Vaenier
-
- Members
- 2 815 messages
I am extreme moderate... 
I like to use ideas from both extremes, It doesnt matter whats left or other left, it only matters about the results.
I like to use ideas from both extremes, It doesnt matter whats left or other left, it only matters about the results.
#925
Posté 08 juin 2010 - 11:07
FourSixEight
-
- Members
- 349 messages
Shandepared wrote...
FourSixEight wrote...
Personally, I'm just anti-Cerberus because of their speciesism policy, and I had hoped to work with the Council in ME3.
That's a tad hypocritical, don't you think?
Only Velarn is speciesist.
Technically, the salarian councilor is on your side most of the time, and Tevos is...well, the asari's pretty much neutral.
