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[Cra5y Pineapple]

GothamLord wrote...

Cra5y Pineapple wrote...

Cerberus weren't in the first game. Unless its some side mission I didn't notice.

Cerberus is all over the place in the first game.   Its nearly impossible to miss atleast a few references to them even just doing a speed run and avoiding all the side missions,short of not even clicking on terminals in certain rooms. 

lolwut

They were never mentioned at all. Besides, I only did side-missions if I discovered them. Yes, I did discover a thresher Maw, anything about Cerberus? No.

[Arijharn]

AntiChri5 wrote...

So many of these "theories" are cobled together from plastic, seaweed and a used condom.

I don't think so, I think the idea of Cerberus not being quite so rogue is quite an entertaining development on the villian formula. It mixes up everything people think they know of Cerberus and casts the shadow wider than what people's comfort level might indicate.

Maybe it would be in BioWare's interest though if they make some veiled references to some of Cerberus' successful accomplishments given freely to other corporations (even some corporations that may even be human competitors, since it would be amazing to think that somebody like Haliat Armory would employ sole Turian ironmongers, and not a single human scientist)

I guess we'll find out when ME3 comes out and you saved the base on just how many organizations benefited from their alliance (har har) with Cerberus.

[AntiChri5]

My point is there is nothing to support the theory in game



Its like me saying Anderson is the long lost heir to the throne of England. It could always be true but there isnt any suggestion of it.

[Dean_the_Young]

There is indisputable implications that Cerberus still has tight links to the Alliance at various levels, and certainly the top: Admiral Kohaku's runaround, how Toombs will be ignored unless you save the Akuze scientist as well, the known penetration of Cerberus intel to every part and system of Alliance space*, the Alliance AI research world that gave birth to EDI, the fact Cerberus was instrumental in the SR1 and improved upon the design for the SR2, and even such things as the Illusive Man telling Shepard that he'll call for Alliance reinforcements himself (pre-Horizon, I believe).

There is unquestionably strong ties between the Alliance and Cerberus. How strong, however, is unclear. Personally, I doubt that there's still an 'official' connection between the two: it does seem TIM really has taken over the organization 6 monthes prior and cut the nominal links. But that does not mean he doesn't have regular/irregular sitdowns with select members of Alliance Brass and discuss matters of human interest.



*Actually one of the things that conflicts with what EDI talks, because the reasonable size of the intel net alone would be far more than the 150 people limit EDI cites for all of those people, especially when 30-odd of those people are on the Normandy alone.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 15 mai 2010 - 12:27 .

[JackhammerGR]

I really wanna see the sole survivor Shepard blow cerberus into smithereenes in me3.

''You think i forgot about akuze when i investigated about the collectors? Quess what.''

[AntiChri5]

I never meant to imply that there was no connection between the two.



It is painfully ibvious that at the very least one of the higher ups is in bed with TIM.

[Dean_the_Young]

It's far more than one, and it's far more extensive than just a cabal of higher ups. Half, if not all, of the Normandy's personnel came from the Alliance, and from the start most of Cerberus has likewise been recruited from it's mother organization.





Jackhammer, what are you talking about? (My) Shepard was a member of Cerberus since she was inducted into the N7 ranks that composed the black ops world. How do you think she was the sole survivor? (wink wink nudge nudge)

[Asheer_Khan]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

It's far more than one, and it's far more extensive than just a cabal of higher ups. Half, if not all, of the Normandy's personnel came from the Alliance, and from the start most of Cerberus has likewise been recruited from it's mother organization.


Jackhammer, what are you talking about? (My) Shepard was a member of Cerberus since she was inducted into the N7 ranks that composed the black ops world. How do you think she was the sole survivor? (wink wink nudge nudge)

N7 was elite level military training which so far only two persons in whole Alliance Navy  were able to complete.
One was Cpt. Anderson and second Cmdr Shepard and not another Cerberus cell FOR THE GOD SAKE:pinched::pinched:

Seriously... i wait for the day when you and other Cerberus supporters start caim that Alliance is just another but this time official Cerberus cell... <_<

[Dean_the_Young]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

It's far more than one, and it's far more extensive than just a cabal of higher ups. Half, if not all, of the Normandy's personnel came from the Alliance, and from the start most of Cerberus has likewise been recruited from it's mother organization.


Jackhammer, what are you talking about? (My) Shepard was a member of Cerberus since she was inducted into the N7 ranks that composed the black ops world. How do you think she was the sole survivor? (wink wink nudge nudge)

N7 was elite level military training which so far only two persons in whole Alliance Navy  were able to complete.
One was Cpt. Anderson and second Cmdr Shepard and not another Cerberus cell FOR THE GOD SAKE:pinched::pinched:

Seriously... i wait for the day when you and other Cerberus supporters start caim that Alliance is just another but this time official Cerberus cell... <_<

That's... amazingly stupid, even for you.

No, N7 is not something only two people have done. N7 is an entire class of marines. That we have only seen two N7 marines does not mean there are only two N7 marines in existence: likewise, the fact we only see a few hundred named characters in the entire series does not mean that only a few hundred people in the Mass Effect universe have names. N7 is the equivalent of modern day special forces, which make the heart of black world ops: governments don't make black organizations out of amateurs.

Making a Cerberus!Shepard was a creative roleplay spawned out of complaints that Sole Survivor Shepard works with Cerberus: the challenge given to me was to find a reason for it fitting with the backstory, and I did. Shepard's backstory is purposely vague enough to allow for unconventional thinking.

[JackhammerGR]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

It's far more than one, and it's far more extensive than just a cabal of higher ups. Half, if not all, of the Normandy's personnel came from the Alliance, and from the start most of Cerberus has likewise been recruited from it's mother organization.


Jackhammer, what are you talking about? (My) Shepard was a member of Cerberus since she was inducted into the N7 ranks that composed the black ops world. How do you think she was the sole survivor? (wink wink nudge nudge)

N7 was elite level military training which so far only two persons in whole Alliance Navy  were able to complete.
One was Cpt. Anderson and second Cmdr Shepard and not another Cerberus cell FOR THE GOD SAKE:pinched::pinched:

Seriously... i wait for the day when you and other Cerberus supporters start caim that Alliance is just another but this time official Cerberus cell... <_<

That's... amazingly stupid, even for you.

No, N7 is not something only two people have done. N7 is an entire class of marines. That we have only seen two N7 marines does not mean there are only two N7 marines in existence: likewise, the fact we only see a few hundred named characters in the entire series does not mean that only a few hundred people in the Mass Effect universe have names. N7 is the equivalent of modern day special forces, which make the heart of black world ops: governments don't make black organizations out of amateurs.

Making a Cerberus!Shepard was a creative roleplay spawned out of complaints that Sole Survivor Shepard works with Cerberus: the challenge given to me was to find a reason for it fitting with the backstory, and I did. Shepard's backstory is purposely vague enough to allow for unconventional thinking.

I want to belive that you know that shepard wasn't N7 at the thresher maw attack right? Anyway, about the cerberus organization, you really think that shepard will stick with them? I don't. Even With renegade choices, it looked like shepard just did what he/she had to do and left. Cerberus had a big role at ME2 and I doubt if they have similar role in ME3.

[Dean_the_Young]

There's nothing saying Shepard wasn't N7 at the time: Eden Prime proves that N7's don't just work in groups of N7's, but also with other ranks: there's no reason Shepard couldn't have gotten the advanced training. Nor would it have been impossible for Cerberus to recruit Shepard before N7: we know Cerberus keeps in touch with a lot of people of all ranks and training classes.

Depending on your post-base discussion, Shepard can still keep relations with Cerberus. Even if you blow up the base, he can say that TIM was making a mistake but that Humanity needs a leader who can stand up for them. Just as a Renegade can tell TIM to shove it, a Paragon can say TIM was wrong but still necessary. (IIRC, it's a 'you work for me now' choice.). Either Shepard who ends the conversation on more amicable terms makes clear that he isn't following TIM, but that Cerberus will help Shepard.

Or you could tell TIM to stuff it regardless of which path.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 15 mai 2010 - 03:00 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
*Actually one of the things that conflicts with what EDI talks, because the reasonable size of the intel net alone would be far more than the 150 people limit EDI cites for all of those people, especially when 30-odd of those people are on the Normandy alone.

EDI's files even those blocked at first contain nothing substatial  but for the Lazarus cell. Nothing that might compromise other cells of Cerberus. As it should be.

[Asheer_Khan]

*Sigh...*



So after all based on Dean's post Anderson IS Cerberus operative since he is one of the N7's that's mean that he work whit Cerberus all the time...

[Fiery Phoenix]

Salvation comes with a cost. Judge us not by our methods, but by what we seek to accomplish.

[Zulu_DFA]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Making a Cerberus!Shepard was a creative roleplay spawned out of complaints that Sole Survivor Shepard works with Cerberus: the challenge given to me was to find a reason for it fitting with the backstory, and I did. Shepard's backstory is purposely vague enough to allow for unconventional thinking.

You're a genius! I though my Gung-Ho Jarhead Batarian Baby Killer (aka Ruthless) Shepard is the truest Cerberus loyalist, by yours easily beats him!

[Zulu_DFA]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

*Sigh...*

So after all based on Dean's post Anderson IS Cerberus operative since he is one of the N7's that's mean that he work whit Cerberus all the time...

Anderson is not. But Sheaprd is hardly the first N7 graduate to work for TIM. Who says Taylor is not N7?

Asheer_Khan wrote...
N7 was elite level military training which so far only two persons in whole Alliance Navy  were able to complete.

In ME2 Emily Wong reports in a news item that a group of Alliance N7 Marines inserted by a "Normandy" class stelth frigate destroyed the Batarian orbital mirror grid installation. (That is if Udina is in charge of the Council. Your great Paragon military leader Anderson, if in charge, prefers to bargain with the terrorists.)

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 15 mai 2010 - 03:47 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

*Sigh...*

So after all based on Dean's post Anderson IS Cerberus operative since he is one of the N7's that's mean that he work whit Cerberus all the time...

All cats are mammals. Not all mammals are cats. That's logic even children grasp, and so should you.

As a Black Ops group, Cerberus would naturally have a high composition of special forces and people with high security clearances. Not all special forces and people with high security clearances would be in Cerberus.

Now, as amusing as it would be if Anderson was a Cerberus member like Jacob (do whatever's necessary with a conscious as to priorities), and nothing in ME1 would refute it, his actions in ME2 make it unlikely. But no one has argued Anderson is Cerberus.

[ResidentNoob]

Er...Dean, I think that Asheer thinks that you're saying that ALL N7s are actually Cerberus operatives.[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wondering.png[/smilie]

Now, do you know where on earth that came from? I sure as hell don't.

Modifié par ResidentNoob, 15 mai 2010 - 04:05 .

[Dean_the_Young]

ResidentNoob wrote...

Er...Dean, I think that Asheer thinks that you're saying that ALL N7s are actually Cerberus operatives.[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wondering.png[/smilie]

Khan also thought that only two N7's existed, so it's about par
for course.

Now, do you know where on earth that came from? I sure as hell don't.

Probably where I said that special forces/N7's could reasonably have made up the heart of Cerberus's black ops personel.

Because everyone knows that because cardiac muscles make up the heart of your body, your entire body must be made of cardiac muscle.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 15 mai 2010 - 04:12 .

[ResidentNoob]

Oh, I see now.

Awesome.

[Sajuro]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...
N7 was elite level military training which so far only two persons in whole Alliance Navy  were able to complete.

In ME2 Emily Wong reports in a news item that a group of Alliance N7 Marines inserted by a "Normandy" class stelth frigate destroyed the Batarian orbital mirror grid installation. (That is if Udina is in charge of the Council. Your great Paragon military leader Anderson, if in charge, prefers to bargain with the terrorists.)

So that proves that N7 isn't a cerberus cell, not entirely at least. If they had been cerberus, they would have been captured, tortured and somehow turned into husks along with everyone else aboard the station lol and then Shepard would have to go in and clean it up.

[AntiChri5]

In his defense, i am pretty damn sure he doesnt have a good handle on English.

[Sajuro]

Bump for Cerberus incompetence

[Zulu_DFA]

Sajuro wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...
N7 was elite level military training which so far only two persons in whole Alliance Navy  were able to complete.

In ME2 Emily Wong reports in a news item that a group of Alliance N7 Marines inserted by a "Normandy" class stelth frigate destroyed the Batarian orbital mirror grid installation. (That is if Udina is in charge of the Council. Your great Paragon military leader Anderson, if in charge, prefers to bargain with the terrorists.)

So that proves that N7 isn't a cerberus cell, not entirely at least. If they had been cerberus, they would have been captured, tortured and somehow turned into husks along with everyone else aboard the station lol and then Shepard would have to go in and clean it up.

OMG, nobody ever sugested that N7 program is Cerberus related! Dean just said that Cerberus would be interested in recruiting N7 graduates (more than N6, N5 or B4).

The news item dismisses the Asheer_Khan's notion that there are only two N7s, namely Shepard and Anderson, in the ME universe.

[Zulu_DFA]

Sajuro wrote...

Bump for Cerberus incompetence

Ah, yes, bumps for incompetence...