Xandurpein wrote...
Shallower compared to what? Which game have you played where the romance was better written and more involving than the ones in Dragon Age? What game have you played which made the choices in Dragon Age seem shallow? I'm not saying things can't be improved upon, but I have yet to play a game that had more difficult and thought provoking choices or better written companions and romances.
In terms of general choices and consquences and staying within the era of full VA and 3D as it's a bit unfair to bring up the hundreds of text and isometric games which do it better; KoToR and Jade Empire overall did it better, and The Witcher blows it out of the water. See the various choices you get in Origins are ultimately an illusion, thought provoking yes but really it's all amounts to the same result. Aside from 3, maybe 4 choices, ultimately it's all meaningless. You get a different selection for a certain point and the epilogue changes but it ends there. There is no real difference if you do this or that, there are no true consquences for your actions, even your companions minus one instance for most are full proof due to the lousy gift system. With The Withcer your choices actually have consquences which can be felt and seriously impact your gameplay. A very small and quick example to minimze spoilers for those who haven't played it, early in the game when you apporach the gates to Vizima for the first time, the difficulty for that fight on the bridge differs depending on the choice you made in the introduction, your decision actually impacted your game and journey with more then a few lines of dialogue and a slightly different epilogue.
Obviously I can't dive deep into this debate due to the fact this is a non-spoiler forums, if you'd like I'd be more then happy to start up a thread in the spoiler section if you'd like me to explain myself much deeper.
If you think Bastilla was better written than Morrigan or Leliana, then I
guess we can just agree to disagree. While Bastilla was interesting and
was nicely tied to the overall plot, Bastilla was not, in my opinion,
as deep a character as Leliana. I really don't know how you can say
that. I found Leliana's character far subtler and more believable than
Bastilla's rather brash "oops, now I'm evil, now I'm not" attitude.
If you reread what I wrote you'll note I never discussed character depth, simply the depth and involvement of the romance subplots. I'll happily agree Leliana was a much deeper and more fleshed out character then Bastila, her back story, her development, or lines, everything was just superior. But character depth and the romance subplots are not part of the same tree. With KoToR the PC/Bastila romance was much more involved, there were several key points, twice the PC had to make a serious decision about it which restuled in serious changes to the ending, and because of how it tied itself into the main story that enhanced it's feeling of importance. With Leliana, you select a few lines, have a couple of nice chats, do her uneventful 2 minute sidequest, bang her, and you're done. There is one serious instance in the game where your decision actually has some impact on your relationship, but it's easily bypassed by selecting the right lines. Was the dialogue better then the PC/Bastila dialogue, I'm on the fence there and certainly wouldn't argue if you said it was, but in terms of depth where is it? I mean hell you can be completely different from her ideologically and do every single thing she despises and still ultimately have her swooning and bedding with you if you so choose.
Also note that I did say Morrigan and Alistair were pretty well done and within the scope I like to romances done.
As for Mass Effect, they are less deep than those in Dragon Age, because
the games are shorter, but that doesn't
make it bad. You are not
presenting yourself in the best light, by voicing insulting descriptions
of games you admit you have never played.
The game being shorter is a design decision they made and there is no reason for that to be considered. Either extend the game length to give it justice or do a better job packing it in. As is Mass Effect was the worst BioWare game in terms of romance aspects (really in general which is why I passed on ME2, but that's another story.) If you feel it different so be it, opinions are opinions on that subject.
As far as how you feel I'm presenting myself, whatever. I said clear as day I never played ME2 and I said clear as day it's the general opinion I've gotten from sane people (IE. not the ones obsessing over Tali, Liara, Garrus, ect.) who have played the game. If you feel my "voicing insulting descriptions" of the game gives you a bad impression of me so be it. I'm certainly not going to recant my statement because of it, if several people whose opinions I greatly respect all agree it was done poorly then I have no problem proclaiming that I agree with that opinion. If it results in you thinking lesser of my opinions and arguments then so be it.
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