The only thing i don´t like about Jack using shockwave is that i can´t angle it perfectly always, because it depends a lot of where jack is. I know you can command her to certain position, then fire from there, but still i like more using shockwave if you character have it, as it is a lot easier to be more accurate and use it more effectively.
Jack's Shockwave Useless?
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#27
Posté 17 mai 2010 - 12:21
Kid_SixXx
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What one of the guys above me said. Shockwave is useful for bashing enemies that are behind cover.
I got the Tactician achievement in one playthrough of Samara's recruitment mission with Jack and Jacob with Jack using Shockwave and Jacob using pull to drag the Eclipse mercs through the toxic clouds.
I can see why people would think Jack is useless on higher difficulties since every enemy either has a shield or a barrier and you have to debuff enemies before you can really see the effectiveness of your own biotics.
I suppose the thing that infuriates me about Jack is the choice of weapons. Her loyalty power is Warp Ammo but she doesn't get a rapid-fire weapon that would allow her to better chip away at barriers and make her Warp Ammo even more useful against enemy biotics.
If I had the PC version, the first thing I'd do is try to mod her loadout so that she gets the SMG / Heavy Pistol set-up.
I got the Tactician achievement in one playthrough of Samara's recruitment mission with Jack and Jacob with Jack using Shockwave and Jacob using pull to drag the Eclipse mercs through the toxic clouds.
I can see why people would think Jack is useless on higher difficulties since every enemy either has a shield or a barrier and you have to debuff enemies before you can really see the effectiveness of your own biotics.
I suppose the thing that infuriates me about Jack is the choice of weapons. Her loyalty power is Warp Ammo but she doesn't get a rapid-fire weapon that would allow her to better chip away at barriers and make her Warp Ammo even more useful against enemy biotics.
If I had the PC version, the first thing I'd do is try to mod her loadout so that she gets the SMG / Heavy Pistol set-up.
Modifié par Kid_SixXx, 17 mai 2010 - 12:22 .
#28
Posté 17 mai 2010 - 02:35
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You forgot Zaeed and...Legion, maybe?Darc_Requiem wrote...
The limited powers really hurts some of the squad mates in ME2. I know it's wishful thinking but I hope squad mates get more powers in ME3 and armor as well. Going to hostile environments with Shepard decked out in full armor and everyone* else in street clothes and breathing masks is beyond stupid.
*Grunt, Garrus, and Tali actually wear full armor.
#29
Posté 17 mai 2010 - 09:08
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i actually find it extremely powerful. warp + shockwave and you can clear the collector ship/base platforms missions in no time.
my squad setup was jack + legion with me playing as adept -- using warp and guns shep took down the armor to a few guys, then used jack's shockwave to effectively throw them off the platforms; legion kept the harbinger-controlled bug busy with drones and the widow. with husks it's also pretty good -- granted you get rid of the armor first.
although i must admit it was the most i've used jack -- playing as an adept, that is. and i'm talking insanity, of course.
i've never actually played on insanity with any classes other than infiltrator -- with the widow rifle it's a matter of lining up 1 or 2 headshots and just about anything dies -- and lately as an adept. on lower difficulty setting many of the squad's abilities are not fully appreciated, i guess, it's fairly easy to kill them off with guns alone.
my squad setup was jack + legion with me playing as adept -- using warp and guns shep took down the armor to a few guys, then used jack's shockwave to effectively throw them off the platforms; legion kept the harbinger-controlled bug busy with drones and the widow. with husks it's also pretty good -- granted you get rid of the armor first.
although i must admit it was the most i've used jack -- playing as an adept, that is. and i'm talking insanity, of course.
i've never actually played on insanity with any classes other than infiltrator -- with the widow rifle it's a matter of lining up 1 or 2 headshots and just about anything dies -- and lately as an adept. on lower difficulty setting many of the squad's abilities are not fully appreciated, i guess, it's fairly easy to kill them off with guns alone.
#30
Posté 17 mai 2010 - 09:59
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Darc_Requiem wrote...
The limited powers really hurts some of the squad mates in ME2. I know it's wishful thinking but I hope squad mates get more powers in ME3 and armor as well. Going to hostile environments with Shepard decked out in full armor and everyone* else in street clothes and breathing masks is beyond stupid.
*Grunt, Garrus, and Tali actually wear full armor.
Indeed. I don't totally understand why the squadmates were given so few powers in the first place, so it only gets worse when the power choice isn't 100% optimised.
Personally I think Shockwave should have some bonus effect on shields (similar to the effect concussive shot has on Barriers). Aside from granting some sort of use to Jack's Biotic Boost, it would make Shockwave itself a hell of lot more worthwhile on levels above Normal. I'm currently playing through a Normal Adept run and it's awe-inspiring to watch Shockwave - such a shame that it gets hit so badly by the difficulty.
#31
Posté 17 mai 2010 - 11:35
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Tbh, I never use Jack for Warp Ammo (or shooting much) so I tend to max her biotic powers.
The best thing about Shockwave is it's basically a free hit on anything, whether enemies are out of cover or not, unlike almost all other powers.
And as long as you and your other squaddie can remove defenses (e.g. Infiltrator and Mordin for double aoe Incinerate) it's bowling time
The best thing about Shockwave is it's basically a free hit on anything, whether enemies are out of cover or not, unlike almost all other powers.
And as long as you and your other squaddie can remove defenses (e.g. Infiltrator and Mordin for double aoe Incinerate) it's bowling time
#32
Posté 17 mai 2010 - 11:47
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Darc_Requiem wrote...
*Grunt, Garrus, and Tali actually wear full armor.
Grunt's bulging reptilian(?) biceps aren't covered.
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Posté 18 mai 2010 - 12:10
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Useless? That power has saved me like a million times. It's perfect for times when there's a lot of enemies (namely husks) and can cause armored or shielded enemies to stumble. It's far from useless especially when upgraded. I always have Jack in my party for it (and because she's my fav 
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