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[Lucy Glitter]

 Is anyone else more wishing for a last expansion? With a certain someone? With all your companions one last time?

I am realistic, and I know that there is a large chance you wouldn't get to play your Warden in it, because it's a BioWare sequel, and they have stated that Origins is not a saga, and when it ends, it ends. 

I do realise that expansions usually (for BioWare in recent months) don't take a year to be announced and don't get their own very exciting viral ad campaign, but I am hoping, because Awakening left me feeling empty, and I want to see my companions again and by God, I really want to play as my own Warden one last time, because so much is left unsaid, and untouched so far, and I would prefer to play my Warden through it, not someone new.

[hexaligned]

I personally didn't find any of the companions all that compelling, and I think game play wise awakening failed in a lot of areas. Starting over with something fresh is exactly what the franchise needs at this point, from my perspective. I understand some people developed emotional attachments to their characters, and party members, For  expansion sized content to bring resolution to ALL the romances ALL the possible endings... not too likely in my eyes. 

The only way I can see this happening is if Bioware decided to pick one canon ending and romance to develope, I don't think many people would go for that.

Modifié par relhart, 15 mai 2010 - 11:29 .

[Johnny Jaded]

I think the date announced in those fliers that came with Awakening is far too soon for a sequel of the calibre BioWare gained a reputation with. Assuming they started working on it from the time DA:O was released, it would be 15 months (obviously its possible they started work on it earlier given that the PC version was originally supposed to come out March last year) which seems to me like it would be a rush job especially if they wish to upgrade the engine like certain rumours suggest.

I would have thought it would be another expansion pack but as Awakening doesn't have an epilogue save like Origins, it seems unlikely to be the case. Not to mention that your character becomes overpowered.



In regards to the Warden and the sequel, there's absolutely no chance of playing your Warden in it. David Gaider has stated that any sequels he writes will have nothing to do with Blights and therefore little-to-nothing to do with the Grey Wardens and thus a whole new player character - which I personally feel is best, although I would like to see certain loose ends tied up and gain closure

[Lucy Glitter]

Johnny Jaded wrote...

I would have thought it would be another expansion pack but as Awakening doesn't have an epilogue save like Origins, it seems unlikely to be the case. Not to mention that your character becomes overpowered.

Save the overpowered-ness, the epilogue does have an open ending, which leads me to believe that there is a chance we will get more from Origins and I am almost certain it has a lot to do with someone in particular. 

Johnny Jaded wrote...

In regards to the Warden and the sequel, there's absolutely no chance of playing your Warden in it. David Gaider has stated that any sequels he writes will have nothing to do with Blights and therefore little-to-nothing to do with the Grey Wardens and thus a whole new player character - which I personally feel is best, although I would like to see certain loose ends tied up and gain closure

Which is why I want another expansion, because I don't feel The Warden's story is finished. 

[TheMadCat]

I do think the Warden's story is left a bit unfinished and as much as I'd like for them to move on there are just far to many loose ends to simply let them fade off, at least in my perspective BioWare may believe it's all fine and dandy as is. they certainly haven't seemed very eager to add anything story relevant through DLC lately.



As for 2/01/11 being to early for a sequel, I don't know. EA has been bleeding green lately and with such a weak lineup their first two fiscal quarters they may have pressed on with a full blown sequel to help stitch up that wound. BioWare has the manpower to do it no question there and EA has the cash to make it happen. Originally I didn't think so, but this does look like it's going to be DA2, it just simple makes sense given EA's financial predicament.

[DespiertaLosNinos]

Shale is truly the only follower I really really like. Don't get me wrong, the rest of the cast did a great job but Shale is something else. A person doomed to an eternal sleepless existence and subsequently suffered a mental break (and loss of all humanity) from being trapped alone in endless darkness for hundreds of years? My kind a lady. If my character could have "romanced" that large rock monster of a woman he/she would have.

[eucatastrophe]

An expansion would be nice.

I don't own Awakening but from all the opinions I've come across so far, the content seems to be outweighed by its price. As such, I'll wait a while before I purchase it.



Off-topic but: Blizzard is one company that not only makes beautiful expansions but also great sequels both content- and gameplay-wise. Hopefully DA2 will be as lovely as DAO



More off-topic: I LOVE your avatar picture Lucy_Glitter!

[Johnny Jaded]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...
Save the overpowered-ness, the epilogue does have an open ending, which leads me to believe that there is a chance we will get more from Origins and I am almost certain it has a lot to do with someone in particular. 

But without an epilogue save there'll be no importing, at least not from Awakening. And I seem to remember NWN being open ended with ambiguous epilogue text to leave room for expansions which ended up being stand alone games as opposed to continuations of the story.

The only thing I can see them doing with another expansion is something similar to what Obsidina did with NWN2 and Mask of the Betrayer (continuation-wise) which wouldn't make much sense after introducing the import feature

Modifié par Johnny Jaded, 15 mai 2010 - 04:53 .

[TheMadCat]

Having the game make an epilogue save can easily be added in through a patch so it's absence isn't as telling as you think.

[Bfler]

TheMadCat wrote...

Having the game make an epilogue save can easily be added in through a patch so it's absence isn't as telling as you think.

With regard to the current patch state of the game I wouldn't say that this is an easy task for Bioware.

[Brockololly]

Well, as far as the mysterious 2/1/2011 title goes I've got to believe thats likely DA2. At a minimum its a standalone title, as EA lists it as coming to the consoles, PC and "handheld/mobile." I don't think they'd bother with a mobile DA Journeys style tie in for just an expansion pack, but who knows.

Personally, I'm thinking DA2 will have a new hero. However, thats really not what I'd prefer. I really, really, really want the Warden back for at least one more ful fledged sequel. I'm a self-avowed Morrigan fanboy so I'd like to see the Warden get some closure and some answers with respect to Morrigan and the whole OGB plot-line, among other loose ends. I have no doubt Morrigan's story will continue in some form and in some future game, but if its not my Cousland Warden thats dealing with the consequences of his actions with Morrigan, I'd be really disappointed.

As for Awakening, I really think thats just a little side story with only one choice of note that might need to be carried forward to DA2. And the fact that there is no epilogue save doesn't mean too much, as nothing of significance happens after the last auto-save.

One reason I loved the Baldur's Gate games way more than Neverwinter Nights was due to the continuity you had between games. I have faith that if Bioware wants to do the whole continuity thing they can easily have the major points and romances carry through, like they did in BG2 or Throne of Bhaal.

At the very least, E3 is coming up on June 14th, so hopefully we'll hear something about DA then!

[SDNcN]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

 Is anyone else more wishing for a last expansion? With a certain someone? With all your companions one last time?

I am hoping that Corinne Kempa's comments about her recording dialogue for a DLC actually mean she was recording for an expansion. I remember in the first Awakening interview with IGN it said that Awakening was planned to be the largest expansion. So I doubt there will be anything bigger than Awakening.

Personally, I am hoping for a smaller expansion  with a number of loosely connected modules set throughout Thedas (locations within Orlais,Aniva, Tevinter, etc) that bring back most of the OC companions in one form or another. They could have the overall plot be the Warden attempting to find a way to remove the taint from his or herself  before the Calling. That would expain away the varying endings in Awakening.

[Brockololly]

SDNcN wrote...
They could have the overall plot be the Warden attempting to find a way to remove the taint from his or herself  before the Calling. That would expain away the varying endings in Awakening.

As far as explaining away the Awakening endings; most of the endings simply end in the same place with the Warden "vanishing" and saying something along the lines of " neither does anyone think his tale is complete..."

So the whole vanishing thing gives them some leeway as to where they could go next with the Warden. They could always go the BG2 route and just start the game with the PC tossed in some dungeon in a foreign country  and you meet back up with the Origins companions along the way as you escape, or something of that nature.

[Lucy Glitter]

TheMadCat wrote...

I do think the Warden's story is left a bit unfinished and as much as I'd like for them to move on there are just far to many loose ends to simply let them fade off, at least in my perspective BioWare may believe it's all fine and dandy as is. they certainly haven't seemed very eager to add anything story relevant through DLC lately.

As for 2/01/11 being to early for a sequel, I don't know. EA has been bleeding green lately and with such a weak lineup their first two fiscal quarters they may have pressed on with a full blown sequel to help stitch up that wound. BioWare has the manpower to do it no question there and EA has the cash to make it happen. Originally I didn't think so, but this does look like it's going to be DA2, it just simple makes sense given EA's financial predicament.

It seems BioWare fans are bleeding cynicism. Geh. This is looking good.

EA doesn't give long time limits for companies. I share your thoughts that it will probably be a sequel, that probably will look better but won't have as much amazing plot and depth.

eucatastrophe wrote...

More off-topic: I LOVE your avatar picture Lucy_Glitter!

Hedy Lamarr ftw!  <3<3<3

Modifié par Lucy_Glitter, 15 mai 2010 - 06:12 .

[SDNcN]

Brockololly wrote...

As far as explaining away the Awakening endings; most of the endings simply end in the same place with the Warden "vanishing" and saying something along the lines of " neither does anyone think his tale is complete..."

I was thinking in of why the Warden would vanish at in the first place.

So the whole vanishing thing gives them some leeway as to where they could go next with the Warden. They could always go the BG2 route and just start the game with the PC tossed in some dungeon in a foreign country  and you meet back up with the Origins companions along the way as you escape, or something of that nature.

Warden: Oghren? But you died in the battle for Vigil's Keep!

Oghren: *Burp* I'm baaaack!

Modifié par SDNcN, 15 mai 2010 - 06:16 .

[blademaster7]

I don't want another expansion. It will end up being as bad as Awakening. They should instead save their resources and focus their attention on the sequel.

Modifié par blademaster7, 15 mai 2010 - 07:00 .

[Fraevar]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

It seems BioWare fans are bleeding cynicism. Geh. This is looking good.

EA doesn't give long time limits for companies. I share your thoughts that it will probably be a sequel, that probably will look better but won't have as much amazing plot and depth.

Well what else can we think after ME2? Though I would honestly be completely gutted if they did that to Dragon Age, precisely because it was meant to be for people who thought ME2 was too mainstream. *sad panda*

[Lucy Glitter]

Which will be rushed and shallow?

[WilliamShatner]

Another expansion like Awakenings - no.



An expansion like Dragon Age with all its features, but smaller - yes.

[TheMadCat]

It seems BioWare fans are bleeding cynicism. Geh. This is looking good.

EA
doesn't give long time limits for companies. I share your thoughts that
it will probably be a sequel, that probably will look better but won't
have as much amazing plot and depth.

As someone once said, "Cynicism is an unpleasent way of saying the truth." <_<

Hedy Lamarr ftw!  ../../../../images/forum/emoticons/heart.png../../../../images/forum/emoticons/heart.png../../../../images/forum/emoticons/heart.png

Been wondering exactly who that was, kind of looked like an older Gene Tierny.

[Lucy Glitter]

TheMadCat wrote...

It seems BioWare fans are bleeding cynicism. Geh. This is looking good.

EA
doesn't give long time limits for companies. I share your thoughts that
it will probably be a sequel, that probably will look better but won't
have as much amazing plot and depth.

As someone once said, "Cynicism is an unpleasent way of saying the truth." <_<

:crying:

TheMadCat wrote...
Been wondering exactly who that was, kind of looked like an older Gene Tierny.

You insult me! Nah, she isn't well known anymore, but youknow she was named, "The most beautiful woman in the world" from 1930 to 1940. I have an obsession with her

[Indoctrination]

Brockololly wrote...

Personally, I'm thinking DA2 will have a new hero. However, thats really not what I'd prefer. I really, really, really want the Warden back for at least one more ful fledged sequel.

I can understand why people would want their Warden to keep returning for adventure after adventure. Afterall, we put so much time in to them, developed them, and watched them change the world around them. However, ask yourself the following question: what's left for the Warden? The Grey Wardens battle the Blight and the darkspawn. The 5th Blight was ended, and The Archetecht's story has been fishined up. What's left for your Warden to battle against exactly? Do you really want BioWare to go fishing for some excuse for the bring the darkspawn back as the consuming force of evil again? Even the Archetecht vs. Mother storyline was really pushing it, to be quite honest. There's only so much fishing they can do with the darkspawn before it becomes silly.

In my opinion, it's better to just have a brand new character in DA2 who isn't a Warden. BioWare can even think ahead and plan for the expansions so all of the endings can be properly accomodated in the expansions unlike in DA:O where a lack of preparation for expansions has made it so some endings are disenfranchised, characters from the main game are used extremely sparringly, etc, etc.

Modifié par Indoctrination, 15 mai 2010 - 08:27 .

[Fraevar]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Which will be rushed and shallow?

Indeed, and thus in sore need of proper optimization. At the risk of sounding like an old fart; the 360 has done a fair share to ruin gaming for those people who like games with substance over style. Standard fare for the 360's core demographic are games with lots of explosions, shooting things and as little thinking required as possible. Those games have their place, but I do wish they hadn't been marketed so aggressively so as to make them the rule, rather than the exception. Halo, Modern Warfare, Gears of War - you can't look at  those games and not notice a red thread there.

I mean, just look at the near total panic among longtime BioWare fans when it was announced that Dragon Age: Origins would suddenly be coming to consoles after all. There wasn't really a sense of people being annoyed that it wasn't PC exclusive any more, but more a sense of dread over how the game coming to consoles seemes impossible to reconcile with the type of game DA:O is. Again, see the big 360 franchises. That's definately not what Dragon Age is, nor what it should be. There is still a market for the classic, in-depth games, I just hope DA:O's PC sales are enough to convince the EA execs of that.

/Morning rant

[blademaster7]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...



Which will be rushed and shallow?

And how would an expansion be any better? They didn't seem to put too much effort into Awakening and they're certainly not putting effort(or thought) into crap like Darkspawn Chronicles.



They don't have enough resources to make an expansion worthwhile. What would you expect?



Warden: Hey look Leliana, a tree!

Leliana: Now that you clicked on it, we should talk.

I would much rather have them work on a full fledged sequel rather than have them split into groups and keep working on half-assed products.

Indoctrination
wrote...

Do you really want BioWare to go fishing for some excuse for the bring the darkspawn back as the consuming force of evil again?

That's not the reason Brockololly want's to play as the Warden. He probably doesn't even give a sh!t about darkspawn. Read his post again.

Modifié par blademaster7, 15 mai 2010 - 09:06 .