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[ObserverStatus]

It's true, the Dragon Age sequel is imminent.

[Brockololly]

bobobo878 wrote...

It's true, the Dragon Age sequel is imminent.
*snip*

You know what, after some of the DLC stuff I honestly wouldn't be surprised... they want a franchise out of DA, right?

[Vicious]

I think people need to prepare for the likely case of The Warden's story never being 'wrapped up.' Some characters, like Morrigan, we will undoubtedly see again, and perhaps romance an older version through a different character. I mean Bioware did it with Aribeth - you romanced her in NWN if you liked, but regardless of the outcome in HoTU you find her in hell with a new character and can romance her again.

If Bioware really wanted to wrap his story why have him disappear for misterious reasons and then claim his story isn't over?

Not all the endings have the hero mysteriously disappearing. That's just tacked on for the Orlesian Warden.

[Master Shiori]

Vicious wrote...

I think people need to prepare for the likely case of The Warden's story never being 'wrapped up.' Some characters, like Morrigan, we will undoubtedly see again, and perhaps romance an older version through a different character. I mean Bioware did it with Aribeth - you romanced her in NWN if you liked, but regardless of the outcome in HoTU you find her in hell with a new character and can romance her again.

The thing is Warden's story could have been easily wrapped up in Awakening.
For those who romanced Morrigan, Leliana or Zevran you got an ending that while relatively open, doesn't force you to continue that particular story.

But for wardens who choose Chancellor, KIng/Queen-consort or to remain with the Grey Wardens, their story is pretty much wrapped up.
So when Bioware makes those wardens disappear for whatever reason and says "nobody thinks their story is over" I think the message is pretty clear. When you write something like that you shouldn't be surprised when people expect you to deliver. The writers probably have a pretty good idea of where the entire DA franchise will go, so I doubt they'd give us such an epilogue if  they don't intend to follow up on it.


And I wouldn't expect to see the Orlesian Warden Commander again. If there's going to be an import option in future DA titles it'll likely be for the Origins Warden, though the possibility of playing a completely new character is also quite likely at this point.

[Feraele]

errant_knight wrote...

So far, neither the DLC nor Awakening has matched Origins in terms storytelling, characters, and interaction, in my opinion. The recently announced DLC doesn't even try. I really can't understand why that is, but it's made my feelings about DA2 decidedly mixed. If it's a sequel, I'll put those feelings aside and buy it right away, just to deal with all the parts of the story that were left untold. If it isn't, well, we'll see. I don't want to buy another Awakening.

I agree with you...nothing thus far has been the calibre of Origins.    And I wonder why.    And they seem to have different writers for each dlc.   Might account for why, the continuity isn't there, or whatever.    I am frankly disappointed STILL with how things were left dangling from the end of Origins to the start of Awakening.

This new dlc..the Darkspawn Chronicles,   they could have done SO much more to flesh it out.   Its very limited..its basically hack and slash with a couple achievements thrown in.
Its a one-time play-through basically, because there aren't the options like what you see in Origins.    You can't even modify the main character to your liking.    Its all packaged up for you to go hack and slash, kill all the "big" names...and gain the few achievements included.

I had fun with it ...for sure, for what it was..  a "mini-game".      I just can't imagine Bioware spitting these little short ass nothings out ..for the next year and a half, and that will be our 2 year's worth of dlc?  

Where's our story going to end up Bioware?    I've been asking about closure and tying loose ends up for awhile here...

I guess I don't like where this is heading.  

[Feraele]

Brockololly wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

It's true, the Dragon Age sequel is imminent.
*snip*

You know what, after some of the DLC stuff I honestly wouldn't be surprised... they want a franchise out of DA, right?

DA IS a franchise, far as I know.   Thats how they refer to it.

[Portal of Scotland]

I wouldn't mind seeing an older version of the Warden appear in a sequel, maybe one who is beginning to sense the calling. The Warden could maybe take on a young apprentice of sorts, not necessarily a "I Am the Warden's Apprentice" sort of thing, but just someone the Warden becomes a sort of mentor to. A young warrior, an orphan, a criminal, whatever. Potential for old and new companions, old or new flames, etc.



The sequel could be something related to darkspawn or something else as well, since the Warden would be known as someone who has confronted all sorts of trouble, not just darkspawn. End could be something along the lines of the Warden either dying in battle, or wrapping things up as a hero again before descending into the Deep Roads one last time. That way the Warden's fate finally gets resolved once and for all.



It would even leave the way open for a third DA, such as having the Warden's apprentice become the older mentor-like figure for a new character in a brand new game.

[Lucy Glitter]

I think everyone could be tied up nicely in the same timelength as Awakening. I mean, it would be nice to have something longer, but in terms of how much they want to spend, well, it's adequate indeed.

It's true. Awakening was a nice addon, I just didn't like the companions myself. The plot was bloody brilliant and the new area was pretty interesting. Political intrigue is always fun, it just wasn't what everyone wanted, but it did sell well, and I think overall, past people's huge bug issues and companion "hatred", it was a pretty good expansion pack.

Vicious wrote...

I mean Bioware did it with Aribeth - you romanced her in NWN if you liked, but regardless of the outcome in HoTU you find her in hell with a new character and can romance her again.

See, I understand why people would be mad at that, but I figure, at least they brought her back. Hell, I was overjoyed that she was back, I kinda liked her! 

Vicious wrote...

Not all the endings have the hero mysteriously disappearing. That's just tacked on for the Orlesian Warden.

No it isn't. I got that with my ending. My human noble was married to King Alistair.

scyphozoa wrote...


Hmm, I am optimistic that if Bioware made a ~18 hour expac following up the story of Origins, they could tell a gratifying "next chapter" in the Origins story. I do think it would be hard to completely resolve the Morrigan issue in only (a fragment of the total) 18 hours. I envision the second expac ending with another cliffhanger that leads into DA2. (example, maybe you spend a majority of the expac searching for Morrigan and at the end of the expac you finally find her)

I also think because DAO was so thorough that jumping back into an expac with pre-established characters from Origins would make the story pacing more accelerated than all the introductions of Awakenings. 

I trust that BW could make a compelling next chapter in an expac. I do agree that if they tried to completely resolve that story arc in an expac, it is unlikely to be a gratifying resolution.

I agree, and I also think you could leave the Old God-child's story open to interpreation for future titles. I mean, i'd love to see a Bhaalspawn-like protagonist again. It was fun!

edit: I encourage you guys to colour your spoilers with the darkest grey colour on the palette (next to the dark blue) so it has to be highlighted to be seen.

Modifié par Lucy_Glitter, 20 mai 2010 - 01:15 .

[Anima03]

I for one really disliked awakening, aside from the plethora of bugs and glitchyness the lack of companion and personal continuity from Origins was heart breaking, the new companions seemed flat since they had much less screen time than those that had already been developed in Origins and decisions you made had little to no impact or recognition.

The way BioWare is taking the story (disjointed expansion and pointless micro dlc) it seems they are setting us up for a completely different time in DA2.

[Tirigon]

Want new DA with new characters.



And want romances back - for mindless killing sprees there are better games already..............

[Vicious]

No it isn't. I got that with my ending. My human noble was married to King [snip].

Right, the 'and they disappear mysteriously' bit was something made for the Orlesian Warden, but it shows up for multiple origins because Awakenings is a ridiculously bugged out mess. The proper ending is they return to their lover/task and that's all.

I mean, i'd love to see a Bhaalspawn-like protagonist again. It was fun

It would indeed. But I'm predicting a new Chevalier protagonist.

[Lucy Glitter]

Vicious wrote...


Right, the 'and they disappear mysteriously' bit was something made for the Orlesian Warden, but it shows up for multiple origins because Awakenings is a ridiculously bugged out mess. The proper ending is they return to their lover/task and that's all.

...

No it isn't.

http://dragonage.wik...ogue_(Awakening)

(You can't argue with the legitimacy of that with one of the moderators, either. So nyeh.)

Modifié par Lucy_Glitter, 20 mai 2010 - 07:54 .

[Master Shiori]

It's not bugged.



The Orlesian Warden never gets "his story isn't over". That line appears only for imported wardens.



If this were a bug, then Bioware would have already informed us about it.

[Brockololly]

Master Shiori wrote...

If this were a bug, then Bioware would have already informed us about it.

HA! Just like they've let us know about all the missing/bugged Morrigan dialogue in Origins or the missing Zev/Leliana letters in Awakening? You're just trying to make me laugh, right?

(not that I disagree with what you're saying though, about the epilogue...)

Modifié par Brockololly, 20 mai 2010 - 08:46 .

[Feraele]

Speaking of bugs..I finally encountered that Silverite mines bug. Clued in that it was the Harvest ring from the Shale expac, plus the Key to the City..combo. Experimented with it...(saw my character in the prison ...etc with all potions still showing in the hotbar) ...reloaded. Changed rings with Ohgren...saved. Went back in, and everything worked properly. I think this is the first time I have seen the screen go black when the Architect talks to you..



But workaround is...reload change jewellry out with another companion (don't leave in inventory just in case) save and continue on ..you shouldn't lose anything from there on.

[Vicious]

*looks at the epilogues*



You guys don't really think they are going to even attempt to cover all those possibilities, are you? If they only cover a few, many people are going to be horribly disserviced. Better to rinse their hands and start anew, as many dev comments have indicated they will.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I agree. I also hope that they cut out the epilogues in future DA games as Awakenings left a bad taste in my mouth with that regard. It seems like Metagaming heaven to me and it seems out of place in regards to how I played both games.

[Fntsybks]

Vicious wrote...

You guys don't really think they are going to even attempt to cover all those possibilities, are you? If they only cover a few, many people are going to be horribly disserviced. Better to rinse their hands and start anew, as many dev comments have indicated they will.

There are 9 possible epilogues on the Wiki, and there were 6 origin stories. Several of those nine are pretty similar - romance Alistair as queen or Anora as king  and so they could be combined. Also, the Orlesian Warden would not necessarily be imported, so that takes it down to 7 possibilities... pretty similar to the 6 in DAO. They might not need to be as long, as we  could take Alistair/Leliana/Zevran into the main plot, and meet up with whoever you aren't with later, so there are less VA's. Morrigan could easily do something similar, although her situation is a little different.

[Master Shiori]

Vicious wrote...

*looks at the epilogues*

You guys don't really think they are going to even attempt to cover all those possibilities, are you? If they only cover a few, many people are going to be horribly disserviced. Better to rinse their hands and start anew, as many dev comments have indicated they will.

If they wrote that in a game epilogue (of all places) then yes, I have every right to expect them to follow up on that.
How they do it isn't my concern, since nobody forced them to write that. They could have just as easily left things a bit vague, or even attempted to provide closure to all these wardens in some way.
This, however, can't be considered a closure at all, since they're basically turning a closed story into an open ended one.

Modifié par Master Shiori, 20 mai 2010 - 09:55 .

[Lucy Glitter]

Vicious wrote...

*looks at the epilogues*

You guys don't really think they are going to even attempt to cover all those possibilities, are you? If they only cover a few, many people are going to be horribly disserviced. Better to rinse their hands and start anew, as many dev comments have indicated they will.

Yes, they will, because it is canon that the Warden disappears, don't matter about what he did before that. Even with Zevran, he/she does. 

If they wanted to, they could add a few lines of recognition that your char did this and this. Otherwise, it's the same for every person.

[hexaligned]

Master Shiori wrote...

Vicious wrote...

*looks at the epilogues*

You guys don't really think they are going to even attempt to cover all those possibilities, are you? If they only cover a few, many people are going to be horribly disserviced. Better to rinse their hands and start anew, as many dev comments have indicated they will.

If they wrote that in a game epilogue (of all places) then yes, I have every right to expect them to follow up on that.
How they do it isn't my concern, since nobody forced them to write that. They could have just as easily left things a bit vague, or even attempted to provide closure to all these wardens in some way.
This, however, can't be considered a closure at all, since they're basically turning a closed story into an open ended one.

No, you have 0 right to expect anything other than what you already payed for.  No one forced them to write it? No one forced you to buy it.  They are not obligated in any way to provide something just because you personaly want it.  They will make the game THEY want to, if you aren't happy with it, don't buy it, but drop the pretense of entitlement.  There is nothign wrong with opened ended endings, it's not like this is the first story to have one, they do infact serve a literary purpose, if that's the writers intent, so be it.

Modifié par relhart, 21 mai 2010 - 03:19 .

[Brockololly]

relhart wrote...

No, you have 0 right to expect anything other than what you already payed for.  No one forced them to write it? No one forced you to buy it.  They are not obligated in any way to provide something just because you personaly want it.  They will make the game THEY want to, if you aren't happy with it, don't buy it, but drop the pretense of entitlement.  There is nothign wrong with opened ended endings, it's not like this is the first story to have one, they do infact serve a literary purpose, if that's the wirters intent, so be it.

Well sure you're only paying for the one game, but its not unreasonable to develop certain expectations as to where future games go based on certain plot hooks or open ended endings the devs throw in to a game. Sure BioWare could have the next Dragon Age game be about a ragtag gang of zombie cyborg unicorns that roam the countryside only for the PC to be inducted into their secret order to defend Thedas against the coming swarm of demon possessed kittens. I mean hey, if thats the game BioWare wants to make who are we to say anything? <_<

Sure no one's forcing anyone to buy anything. But if you end a game with a blatantly open ending, it stands to reason that maybe some people might expect the devs to follow up with that. Whether they do or not is the dev's choice. There is no pretense of entitlement here, its just the development of expectations for the future based on how the games have ended, given the info we currently have.

[hexaligned]

Well you can say whatever you want about whatever they make, you would be flawed in thinking they owe you something though. Which is the impression I got from the random interwebs poster # 23432423434543 I quoted.

[Vicious]

Sorry guys, but I see no way they can possibly build off Awakenings seeing as how they didn't bother to throw in a POST CAMPAIGN SAVE.



Hear me out.



Seriously, people would love if they went back and redid Morrigan's dark promise and did the version the writers wanted people to recieve if they romanced Morrigan - and also put back in cut content or finish it out.



I think those DLCs are what we all want to see.



And they aren't going to happen. So far they have never revisited anything already done, they have merely added stuff, and more stuff, and more stuff, and more stuff.



it's getting pretty clear that Bioware has zero interest in revisiting the unfinished parts of this game and ESPECIALLY unfinished parts of Awakenings. And that, unfortunately, includes the ending.





Besides, was the team that put Awakenings together the same team that put together DAO? Or were they already working on DA2? What were the writers told to create, an adventure which continues the story of DAO, or a brand new adventure where importing your previous character is a bonus?