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[JKoopman]

I was replaying Kasumi's loyalty mission earlier and something at the end caught my eye; when she opens the greybox, the very first window displayed quite clearly shows a Reaper. Since the information is apparently something that would implicate the Alliance if it were ever leaked to the Council, I immediately thought of the events of Revelation and how Dr. Shu Qian and his team on Sidon were not only researching illegal AIs but also unearthed and were studying Sovereign in an attempt to unlock it's power.

It seems rather clear to me that Kasumi's loyalty mission is a nod to the events of the first novel.

[kraidy1117]

I think it would be alot more interesting if the graybox proves that Cerberus never did split and only high rannking officials know the truth.

[DirtyVagrant]

But Saren informed the Council of what the Sidon base was researching (AI) and the Council and Goyle had their little argument about it. They didn't really treat it as intergalactic war threatening either, they just threatened sanctions against the Alliance. Even if they were to say it was Reapers... they'd probably just dismiss it as nonsense or something...

But basically what the above poster says is pretty much what I think too...

Modifié par DirtyVagrant, 15 mai 2010 - 07:11 .

[Sand King]

kraidy1117 wrote...

I think it would be alot more interesting if the graybox proves that Cerberus never did split and only high rannking officials know the truth.

This make the most sense to me.

[JKoopman]

DirtyVagrant wrote...

But Saren informed the Council of what the Sidon base was researching (AI) and the Council and Goyle had their little argument about it. They didn't really treat it as intergalactic war threatening either, they just threatened sanctions against the Alliance. Even if they were to say it was Reapers... they'd probably just dismiss it as nonsense or something...

But basically what the above poster says is pretty much what I think too...

But was the existense of Sovereign and the Alliance's prior knowledge and research of it ever divulged to the Council? I don't recall that, as Saren seemed pretty intent on keeping it under wraps so he could use it for his own ends.

I'd think revealing that the Alliance had known of and studied the ancient sentient warship decades before it went on to attack the Citadel and almost annihilated all life in the galaxy and chose not to divulge that information to be pretty damaging.

In any case, why would the greybox contain images of Sovereign if it's secret was only that Cerberus never actually went rogue?

Modifié par JKoopman, 15 mai 2010 - 07:19 .

[kraidy1117]

JKoopman wrote...

DirtyVagrant wrote...

But Saren informed the Council of what the Sidon base was researching (AI) and the Council and Goyle had their little argument about it. They didn't really treat it as intergalactic war threatening either, they just threatened sanctions against the Alliance. Even if they were to say it was Reapers... they'd probably just dismiss it as nonsense or something...

But basically what the above poster says is pretty much what I think too...

But was the existense of Sovereign and the Alliance's prior knowledge and research of it ever divulged to the Council? I don't recall that, as Saren seemed pretty intent on keeping it under wraps so he could use it for his own ends.

I'd think revealing that the Alliance had known of and studied the ancient sentient warship decades before it went on to attack the Citadel and almost annihilated all life in the galaxy and chose not to divulge that information to be pretty damaging.

In any case, why would the greybox contain images of Sovereign if it's secret was only that Cerberus never actually went rogue?

Um what? Did you play the same game as me? No one knows what is in there, and the best idea and a great twist would be that Cerberus never did split.

[DirtyVagrant]

Dr. Shu Qian went rogue and started working with batarians. We can't say for an absolute certainty, but I don't think the Sidon base was working directly on Sovereign but instead on their own AI to better understand AI functions, etc, in order to control AIs. How deeply this linked to Sovereign, I don't know. But Qian was appproached by his batarian counterpart and brought into the fold about researching Sovereign so it seems doubtful the Alliance knew anything prior about the Reapers until the attack on the Citadel.  But also Goyle gave the Council all the research data from Sidon.

Modifié par DirtyVagrant, 15 mai 2010 - 07:29 .

[JKoopman]

kraidy1117 wrote...

JKoopman wrote...

DirtyVagrant wrote...

But Saren informed the Council of what the Sidon base was researching (AI) and the Council and Goyle had their little argument about it. They didn't really treat it as intergalactic war threatening either, they just threatened sanctions against the Alliance. Even if they were to say it was Reapers... they'd probably just dismiss it as nonsense or something...

But basically what the above poster says is pretty much what I think too...

But was the existense of Sovereign and the Alliance's prior knowledge and research of it ever divulged to the Council? I don't recall that, as Saren seemed pretty intent on keeping it under wraps so he could use it for his own ends.

I'd think revealing that the Alliance had known of and studied the ancient sentient warship decades before it went on to attack the Citadel and almost annihilated all life in the galaxy and chose not to divulge that information to be pretty damaging.

In any case, why would the greybox contain images of Sovereign if it's secret was only that Cerberus never actually went rogue?

Um what? Did you play the same game as me? No one knows what is in there, and the best idea and a great twist would be that Cerberus never did split.

Read the first post. When Kasumi accesses the greybox at the end of her loyalty mission the very first window that pops up in the long chain of windows displays a clear image of Sovereign.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 15 mai 2010 - 08:01 .

[kraidy1117]

JKoopman wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

JKoopman wrote...

DirtyVagrant wrote...

But Saren informed the Council of what the Sidon base was researching (AI) and the Council and Goyle had their little argument about it. They didn't really treat it as intergalactic war threatening either, they just threatened sanctions against the Alliance. Even if they were to say it was Reapers... they'd probably just dismiss it as nonsense or something...

But basically what the above poster says is pretty much what I think too...

But was the existense of Sovereign and the Alliance's prior knowledge and research of it ever divulged to the Council? I don't recall that, as Saren seemed pretty intent on keeping it under wraps so he could use it for his own ends.

I'd think revealing that the Alliance had known of and studied the ancient sentient warship decades before it went on to attack the Citadel and almost annihilated all life in the galaxy and chose not to divulge that information to be pretty damaging.

In any case, why would the greybox contain images of Sovereign if it's secret was only that Cerberus never actually went rogue?

Um what? Did you play the same game as me? No one knows what is in there, and the best idea and a great twist would be that Cerberus never did split.

Read the first post. When Kasumi accesses the greybox at the end of her loyalty mission the very first window that pops up in the long chain of windows displays a clear image of Sovereign.

I highly doubt that, al that was showen was Kasumis lover, unless you can get me a screanshot that shows me (and not photoshoped) then I will beleive you.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Look above. I wouldn't say it's a clear picture of Sovereign itself, but it looks like what may very well be a Reaper.

One of the harder decisions to make, especially because you can't be entirely sure what data it contains. Do you want to cover up for the Alliance (and possibly Cerberus) if they did something bad? Will you keep it so you might have an ace up your sleeve against Hackett? Or risk someone else using it against the Alliance, effectively undoing all your hard work?

And then there's the personal side of the problem: Do you want to keep Kasumi living in the past or help her move on?

I played it safe and had her destroy it.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 15 mai 2010 - 08:16 .

[BellatrixLugosi]

Nice shot kaiser, knew exactly what the op was looking to point out.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Thanks, it doesn't appear to be Sovereign, though, the details on their 'bellies' are somewhat different. Here's the only good pic I could make of Sovereign's underside:







So it IS a Reaper, but not Sovereign. Which begs the question: what the **** is this thing? A captured second Reaper (ignoring the derelict one)? Sovereign remade?

[BellatrixLugosi]

Im just content to be like "Hey thats interesting" and not really think much more on it but its a pretty interesting find, both to op and kaiser just showing the op's point

[Kaiser Shepard]

Or it might be Sovereign because I was looking at that picture the wrong way. Now I'm really unsure on what to do with the data. In any case, here's a more zoomed in pic from the wiki:

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 15 mai 2010 - 08:59 .

[Nivenus]

Probably not, but I wouldn't rule it out. Generally speaking, it seems that the BioWare likes to keep the novels fairly segregated from the games and Kasumi's not likely to play a major role in ME3 given her DLC status (though her popularity may see that changed - who knows).

T'would be an interesting twist, however [insert Shyamalan pic here].

Modifié par Nivenus, 15 mai 2010 - 08:56 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Mass Effect 2 ending shows all Reapers have an underside like that... It could be any Reaper, but it's surely a Reaper.

This decision is getting harder and harder, I think I might metagame this one after having played Mass 3.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 15 mai 2010 - 09:37 .

[Nivenus]

It does indeed look a lot like a Reaper, though not Sovereign. However, I don't think Sovereign actually shows up as such in Revelation IIRC. He's too big to hide on a planet. Rather, I thought it was just a Reaper artifact that led Saren to Sovereign.

[Collider]

I gave the box to Kasumi. I think I can trust her to keep that stuff safe. If not, well, ****.

[BellatrixLugosi]

Hmm I like this topic. Kaiser if you see any other interesting pics regarding that greybox let us know.

[ResidentNoob]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...



So it IS a Reaper, but not Sovereign. Which begs the question: what the **** is this thing? A captured second Reaper (ignoring the derelict one)? Sovereign remade?

Hmmm...

A Reaper shown in Kasumi's graybox, who is NOT Sovereign, so it is a completely different Reaper(most likely not the derelict one)which we, as of yet, have no knowledge of.

And this data could heavily incriminate the Alliance of...something...

Uh oh.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Nivenus wrote...

It does indeed look a lot like a Reaper, though not Sovereign. However, I don't think Sovereign actually shows up as such in Revelation IIRC. He's too big to hide on a planet. Rather, I thought it was just a Reaper artifact that led Saren to Sovereign.

Well, there still is the Leviathan of Dis, which I always assumed to be Sovereign considering it disappearing in 2163 and the first book, Revelation, where Saren got across information about Sovereign taking place in 2165. The timeline shows that Edan Had'dah from Revelation, which I haven't read yet, discovered "a mysterious artifact orbiting an unnamed planet near the Perseus Veil" in 2162, though. We know his artifact turned out to be Sovereign, but that also means 'Dis' isn't Sovereign. Could the fabled Leviathan have been salvaged by the Alliance?

BellatrixLugosi wrote...

Hmm I like this topic. Kaiser if you see any other interesting pics regarding that greybox let us know.

Here's the one I mentioned earlier, you should know it, but it's to have some reference material:

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 15 mai 2010 - 12:04 .

[BellatrixLugosi]

Yup thats what I was sorta looking for, im going to look up some kasumi Vid's later see if I can turn up anything else interesting

[Spartas Husky]

never thought of the Dr.....sweet.

[Dean_the_Young]

The Leviathan of Dis was taken away by the Batarians, as the very planet entry mentioning it extremely strongly suggests.



The Leviathan of Dis was also said to be the skeleton a biological space ship. Reaper materials still come up as synthetic material after whatever processing is done to them.