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[Kaiser Shepard]

No skeleton, a "corpse". Which, given the general knowledge about "genetically engineered" or organic starship could be anything.



It may very have been an active Reaper (Sovereign), or an inactive one. In any case, if the batarians did take it away that pretty much means it ended up with Had'dah, which makes it Sovereign and means there has only been one active Reaper in the galaxy during our cycle. They means a "replica", Sovereign being rebuilt or them having captured a Reaper. The last one wouldn't make any sense, nor would the first, but I can see them rebuilding ol' Sovvie to use him against his little friends, if only for that it would allow us into their "battlenet".



And it must be a Reaper, what else could be described as a partly organic spaceship?

[Bebbe777]

Nice thread. I will keep the box in my Paragon playthrough because I feel information is power, no matter what. And I want to know what the government I represent is doing if it is has something to do with the Reapers.

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

ResidentNoob wrote...

Hmmm...

A Reaper shown in Kasumi's graybox, who is NOT Sovereign, so it is a completely different Reaper(most likely not the derelict one)which we, as of yet, have no knowledge of.

And this data could heavily incriminate the Alliance of...something...

Uh oh.

Ain't the Drerelict one otherwise it would be ****ed up. That reaper was clearly in one piece, and that data picture would be incomplete if it was. Looks to me like they got some intell on the reaper threat and are sitting on it for god knows how long.

I kept it. I wanted the dirt on the alliance, and Kasumi - well, she's an big girl, she can handle herself if she wants to move on, she can, if she can't, that sucks but understandable.

Modifié par Andrew_Waltfeld, 15 mai 2010 - 02:39 .

[glacier1701]

 The better question to ask is what whould be considered grounds for war. Just having knowledge/research of something is not something that I would think is grounds for war. I know that nations here on Earth have gone to war over very trivial things like who won a football match but hopefully the reasons will be less trivial if it involves the Council/Alliance. So what can those grounds be? At the moment I dont think we have enough information to speculate even with the pictures from the grey box. That may or may not be a picture of a reaper but it also reminds me of some sort of 'lobster-like' creature rather than a space ship. After all you have to remember that the data collected is not necessarily all useful.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Bebbe777 wrote...

Nice thread. I will keep the box in my Paragon playthrough because I feel information is power, no matter what. And I want to know what the government I represent is doing if it is has something to do with the Reapers.

Your motive sounds more Renegade than Paragon, though. I did the same with N7: Lost Operative, although you do not fully control this one: Kasumi won't always stay with Shepard.

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

ResidentNoob wrote...

Hmmm...

A Reaper shown in Kasumi's graybox, who is NOT Sovereign, so it is a completely different Reaper(most likely not the derelict one)which we, as of yet, have no knowledge of.

And this data could heavily incriminate the Alliance of...something...

Uh oh.

Ain't the Drerelict one otherwise it would be ****ed up. That reaper was clearly in one piece, and that data picture would be incomplete if it was. Looks to me like they got some intell on the reaper threat and are sitting on it for god knows how long.

I kept it. I wanted the dirt on the alliance, and Kasumi - well, she's an big girl, she can handle herself if she wants to move on, she can, if she can't, that sucks but understandable.

A "big girl" would be able to move on instead of desperately try to hold on to the past. I had her destroy that box for her own good.

glacier1701 wrote...

The better question to ask is what whould be considered grounds for war. Just having knowledge/research of something is not something that I would think is grounds for war. I know that nations here on Earth have gone to war over very trivial things like who won a football match but hopefully the reasons will be less trivial if it involves the Council/Alliance. So what can those grounds be? At the moment I dont think we have enough information to speculate even with the pictures from the grey box. That may or may not be a picture of a reaper but it also reminds me of some sort of 'lobster-like' creature rather than a space ship. After all you have to remember that the data collected is not necessarily all useful.

Ah yes, "Reapers". I can see keeping the graybox having no effect on Mass 3 at all, especially with it having DLC status.

[ResidentNoob]

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

ResidentNoob wrote...

Hmmm...

A Reaper shown in Kasumi's graybox, who is NOT Sovereign, so it is a completely different Reaper(most likely not the derelict one)which we, as of yet, have no knowledge of.

And this data could heavily incriminate the Alliance of...something...

Uh oh.

Ain't the Derelict one otherwise it would be ****ed up. That reaper was clearly in one piece, and that data picture would be incomplete if it was.

Errr...wait, what?:huh:I said that it wasn't the derelict one as well.

A Reaper shown in Kasumi's graybox, who is NOT Sovereign, so it is a
completely different Reaper(most likely not the derelict one)which we,
as of yet, have no knowledge of.

(most likely not the derelict one)

not the derelict one

[Telemachus78]

I believe it shows intel that the alliance is working with the reapers to take over the galaxy. Because in the game you always can make a choice to put human interests over the right decision. Also which explains why every alliance solider is predjudice to aliens but then again it is also a theory.

[Daforth]

Leviathan? Biological ship? I am the only one that sense some Farscape here?

[Dean_the_Young]

Every Alliance soldier is prejudiced to aliens.



Shepard and Alenko are an Alliance soldiers.



Shepard and Alenko are prejudiced to aliens.



Shepard and Alenko are working with the Reapers to take over the galaxy.





It's the only logical explanation!

[JKoopman]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Thanks, it doesn't appear to be Sovereign, though, the details on their 'bellies' are somewhat different. Here's the only good pic I could make of Sovereign's underside:



So it IS a Reaper, but not Sovereign. Which begs the question: what the **** is this thing? A captured second Reaper (ignoring the derelict one)? Sovereign remade?

I believe it IS Sovereign. The markings all match up.




In both cases, it's an enclosed box followed by two horizontal lines followed by a rectangle and another line with a verticle line down the middle. The angle of the first picture just makes it look slightly distorted.

It could be another Reaper aside from Sovereign, but the pictures don't disclude it being Sovereign and frankly the idea of the Alliance somehow finding and capturing another Reaper in the galaxy seems a pretty big stretch to me (the derelict Reaper you find in ME2 not having been discovered by anyone else for millions of years - including the other Reapers during the 20+ galactic harvests in between - was enough of a stretch).

Modifié par JKoopman, 15 mai 2010 - 05:50 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Thanks for literally connecthing the dots, I hope this will help the few who don't see it.



As for it being Sovereign: the more I look at both pictures, the more I feel like the Greybox Reaper is actually longer. Also, knowing about Sovereign's existance before is pretty much nothing, especially compared with rebuilding Sovereign or being in the possession of another Reaper.

[glacier1701]

The problem with the grey box picture is that it shows the appendages as being attached ALONG the WHOLE length of the body. In the reapers the appendages all appear to be at the front end and NOT along the length. Its why I think that that first pic is not one of a reaper.

[JKoopman]

glacier1701 wrote...

The problem with the grey box picture is that it shows the appendages as being attached ALONG the WHOLE length of the body. In the reapers the appendages all appear to be at the front end and NOT along the length. Its why I think that that first pic is not one of a reaper.

What do you mean? All you see in the greybox picture is the front section of the reaper; the long tail section is cut off by the top of the image.

If you match up the light patterns you can see this even more clearly. In the top picture of Sovereign the "enclosed square" part of the pattern matches up roughly with the end of the front "leg" section of the body and the beginning of the "tail" section, as does the pattern in the image from the greybox.

[SpectreSeven]

Nice, I never realised the 1st pic in the graybox was a Reaper!

[MrNose]

I don't think I ever kept the Greybox data... Sigh. Time for another playthrough!

[RobertM5252]

Or, maybe, it doesn't mean anything and Bioware just threw it up there with a bunch of other random stuff. :happy:

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea that it means something. That the data in here is somehow relevant to something and not just a MacGuffin. But I'm skeptical.

Granted, I'm always skeptical, but since nobody else has brought up the skeptical POV, I feel it's worth mentioning.

[Spartas Husky]

Btw what happended to that leviathan the Batarians stole???

[screwoffreg]

I wouldn't be surprised to learn the Alliance has somehow been corrupted by the Reapers. In Babylon 5 the "Alliance" was infiltrated by the "Shadows", who themselves are very similar to the Reapers.

[MarginalBeast]

DirtyVagrant wrote...

But Saren informed the Council of what the Sidon base was researching (AI) and the Council and Goyle had their little argument about it. They didn't really treat it as intergalactic war threatening either, they just threatened sanctions against the Alliance.

But Keiji wouldn't know that the Council has already been informed.

[Crunchyinmilk]

How do you know its truth?



Doesn't the afterimage of Keiji just say 'if this got out it could implicate the alliance..." I'll have to replay it again. If its just misinformation then it pretty much ties in with the ME2 plot doesn't it? Humans are bad, humans are working with the reapers, look there's a giant human reaper...

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

screwoffreg wrote...

I wouldn't be surprised to learn the Alliance has somehow been corrupted by the Reapers. In Babylon 5 the "Alliance" was infiltrated by the "Shadows", who themselves are very similar to the Reapers.

I will laugh and say I have truely now alienated everyone but the races everyone else ****s on and go to war with the reapers.

[glacier1701]

JKoopman wrote...

glacier1701 wrote...

The problem with the grey box picture is that it shows the appendages as being attached ALONG the WHOLE length of the body. In the reapers the appendages all appear to be at the front end and NOT along the length. Its why I think that that first pic is not one of a reaper.

What do you mean? All you see in the greybox picture is the front section of the reaper; the long tail section is cut off by the top of the image.

If you match up the light patterns you can see this even more clearly. In the top picture of Sovereign the "enclosed square" part of the pattern matches up roughly with the end of the front "leg" section of the body and the beginning of the "tail" section, as does the pattern in the image from the greybox.

Ok take a look at the 'arms'. They are at the front arrayed around the front end. The grey box picture shows them arrayed along the length on either side. The underside lighting patter does not matter. This is a reaper. Whatever that is in the grey box picture is NOT a reaper.

(Borrowed the pic from the motivational thread as I do not have a screenshot from ME1)

BTW there should be vids of Sovereign and basically when it arrives at the Citadel its arms are folded in front of its 'face'. The thing in the grey box does not have long enough arms to be able to do that. And from what little we see of reapers in ME2 they all seem to conform to the general pattern of arms at the front arrayed around the front end and NOT arrayed along the length of the sides.

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

glacier1701 wrote...

JKoopman wrote...

glacier1701 wrote...

The problem with the grey box picture is that it shows the appendages as being attached ALONG the WHOLE length of the body. In the reapers the appendages all appear to be at the front end and NOT along the length. Its why I think that that first pic is not one of a reaper.

What do you mean? All you see in the greybox picture is the front section of the reaper; the long tail section is cut off by the top of the image.

If you match up the light patterns you can see this even more clearly. In the top picture of Sovereign the "enclosed square" part of the pattern matches up roughly with the end of the front "leg" section of the body and the beginning of the "tail" section, as does the pattern in the image from the greybox.

Ok take a look at the 'arms'. They are at the front arrayed around the front end. The grey box picture shows them arrayed along the length on either side. The underside lighting patter does not matter. This is a reaper. Whatever that is in the grey box picture is NOT a reaper.

(Borrowed the pic from the motivational thread as I do not have a screenshot from ME1)

BTW there should be vids of Sovereign and basically when it arrives at the Citadel its arms are folded in front of its 'face'. The thing in the grey box does not have long enough arms to be able to do that. And from what little we see of reapers in ME2 they all seem to conform to the general pattern of arms at the front arrayed around the front end and NOT arrayed along the length of the sides.

It's an reaper. IT may be an different model of reaper. I am sure the reapers advance their own tech don't stick to the same old designs for millions of years especially after you lose an few, most tend to advance to prevent that again.

[foolish replica]

question. does anybody know when keiji acquired this info? i ask because, if it's after the battle of the citadel
it could mean the alliance actually did take the reaper threat seriously  and it's proof of experimentation
on sov's remains. so, my point is...back -engineered alliance reaper?

Modifié par foolish replica, 16 mai 2010 - 09:31 .