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[Al-the-Catman]

But a larger orb "pooped" out a smaller orb & it jiggles!!!

ME2 makes me wonder how much DLC & side missions will have a direct effect on ME3 storyline if done b/c of so much of the content keeps tying into the mainplot or subplots that make you connect the dots & see a bigger picture; like the Kasumi DLC (I always tell ther to keep it for later, hope that doesn't come to bit me in the but later!)  Can't wait for ME:Retribution to come out in late July, still so far away...

On a side note: any idea if or when there will be DLC based on ME: Redemption comic?

[Dean_the_Young]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

I believe I pointed out that the dates did not match before, but take into consideration that the ´2163´ in which the batarians took Dis is simply derived from the planet description of Jarter from Mass 1, which mentions ''twenty years before'' or something like that, which, considering the fact that the game takes place in 2183 could probably just as well refer to 2162

Which in no way equates 'functional synthetic warship in space' with 'remains of dead biological space ship in crater.'




As for the Kasumi picture, I think I like the idea that the Alliance stole away much of Sovereign's corpse and is trying to rebuild it.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 22 mai 2010 - 06:15 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Al-the-Catman wrote...

But a larger orb "pooped" out a smaller orb & it jiggles!!!

ME2 makes me wonder how much DLC & side missions will have a direct effect on ME3 storyline if done b/c of so much of the content keeps tying into the mainplot or subplots that make you connect the dots & see a bigger picture; like the Kasumi DLC (I always tell ther to keep it for later, hope that doesn't come to bit me in the but later!)  Can't wait for ME:Retribution to come out in late July, still so far away...

On a side note: any idea if or when there will be DLC based on ME: Redemption comic?

There are hidden files that suggest we should expect a Liara DLC at some point.

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

I believe I pointed out that the dates did not match before, but take into consideration that the ´2163´ in which the batarians took Dis is simply derived from the planet description of Jarter from Mass 1, which mentions ''twenty years before'' or something like that, which, considering the fact that the game takes place in 2183 could probably just as well refer to 2162

Which in no way equates 'functional synthetic warship in space' with 'remains of dead biological space ship in crater.'




As for the Kasumi picture, I think I like the idea that the Alliance stole away much of Sovereign's corpse and is trying to rebuild it.

Meh, screw this. Too many possibilities... more than enough dots to see their relation and be able to connect them, just no way of knowing sure you connected them the right way.

[Asheer_Khan]

Those arms shape on Gray box reaper looks more like spider form legs than squid type...



However i don't believe in theory that Alliance would be able to salvaged in off parts to actually even plan to rebuild Sovieregin without any kind of blueprints.

Heck this would be like attempt to build CRAY super computer using 15'th century technology, possible but would take years to complete.



Maybe i am wrong but haelstrom sun still rises many unexplained questions and there is no indication by the way that Harbinger's fleet is involved in that process in any way.

So hypoteticaly speaking what if there is another reaper (let say spider form) faction which attempting to enter milky way via custom black hole created by blowing up Haelstrom sun?



I would say this would be rather huge twist in this whole story but on the other hand... perspective of catching milky way worlds in the middle of the reapers vs reapers war is rather not pretty...

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Those arms shape on Gray box reaper looks more like spider form legs than squid type...

However i don't believe in theory that Alliance would be able to salvaged in off parts to actually even plan to rebuild Sovieregin without any kind of blueprints.
Heck this would be like attempt to build CRAY super computer using 15'th century technology, possible but would take years to complete.

well they got 4 years and 17 days to work on it..... 2 years 17 days for inbetween sheppard deaths and re-birth and the two years or so between ME2 and M3.

[Al-the-Catman]

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Those arms shape on Gray box reaper looks more like spider form legs than squid type...

However i don't believe in theory that Alliance would be able to salvaged in off parts to actually even plan to rebuild Sovieregin without any kind of blueprints.
Heck this would be like attempt to build CRAY super computer using 15'th century technology, possible but would take years to complete.

well they got 4 years and 17 days to work on it..... 2 years 17 days for inbetween sheppard deaths and re-birth and the two years or so between ME2 and M3.

We have no idea how large of a time gap, if any, will take place between ME2 & ME3; it could pick up almost immediatly after ME2 events.  If an annoucement was made or ingame evidence is avaiable, please prove me wrong!

[Asheer_Khan]

In two years between ME 1 and ME 2 all what they could do is rebuild Sovieregin's hull only but inside?



Would take many years of wild guessing where each stuff should be placed since i doubt that Alliance (or frankly anyone) poses Reaper blueprints before Shepard's visit in C-base.

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

Al-the-Catman wrote...

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Those arms shape on Gray box reaper looks more like spider form legs than squid type...

However i don't believe in theory that Alliance would be able to salvaged in off parts to actually even plan to rebuild Sovieregin without any kind of blueprints.
Heck this would be like attempt to build CRAY super computer using 15'th century technology, possible but would take years to complete.

well they got 4 years and 17 days to work on it..... 2 years 17 days for inbetween sheppard deaths and re-birth and the two years or so between ME2 and M3.

We have no idea how large of a time gap, if any, will take place between ME2 & ME3; it could pick up almost immediatly after ME2 events.  If an annoucement was made or ingame evidence is avaiable, please prove me wrong!

the data you get from the cerbersus agent will de-cyrpt in 2 years. Mordin's loyality mission, he says it would take an few years away from curing the genophage, but it's better than starting from scratch. If you
watch very carefully, alot of things are "2 years" more or less.

Modifié par Andrew_Waltfeld, 22 mai 2010 - 07:49 .

[Al-the-Catman]

But why 2 yrs? (I'd ask the same ? about any length of time, but still y'all get the pt!)

[Asheer_Khan]

Al-the-Catman wrote...

But why 2 yrs? (I'd ask the same ? about any length of time, but still y'all get the pt!)

Bioware use actually  real life calendar since time gap between each parts is 2 years (at least was intended when ME 1 was intoduced).

That's why decoding of those Cerberus data from dead agent will take two years for eample:police:.

Modifié par Asheer_Khan, 22 mai 2010 - 07:59 .

[foolish replica]

Just_mike wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

so wtf am I looking at here?

hmm...to me it looks like the the inner super structure, the "guts"  if you will, the bottom  part seems like it connects to something...drive core maybe? maybe we all looking at this the wrong way and its the inside of said reaper rather than the outside. hmm

edit: could be some sort of "dry dock" also,  supporting it being the exterior. who knows ?

Modifié par foolish replica, 22 mai 2010 - 09:11 .

[AresXX7]

there have been some very interesting theories posted so far, but I'm going to take a stab in a different direction, based on what Al_The_Catman posted.

based on what E.D.I. says, after it's blocks have been removed, it says that Cerberus was behind the Alliance working with the Turians, [color=#ffff00">a council race, ](possibly to exploit weakpoints as well?)[/color] not to mention E.D.I. is an A.I., which is illegal to begin with, based on salvaged reaper tech, enough to build an A.I. & who knows what else

my point is, the Alliance could be holding key info from Sovereign's remains & using it to give them an edge over the other races in weapons, shields, A.I.'s, etc.
and the reaper pic, in the greybox data, is from their research of the remains, along with additional info we don't see, plus it could have evidence that the Alliance & Cerberus are still connected

afterall, when you look at it this way, what do you really need a thief for to begin with against the Collectors?
it could just be ploy to destroy any possible evidence of their connection, which is why she was recruited and given the deal that the greybox would be recovered

I may just be reading too much into this, but the subject of this thread got my mind wandering a bit

and also, even if her character is really necessary, I still like Kasumi & hope to see her again in ME3

Modifié par AriesXX7, 03 juillet 2010 - 10:17 .

[didymos1120]

Seize the necromancer!

[CroGamer002]

My theory: Illuminati controls Alliance and they want to enslave every organics using Reaper indoctrination technology.

[Jaron Oberyn]

glacier1701 wrote...

Just_mike wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Or it might be Sovereign because I was looking at that picture the wrong way. Now I'm really unsure on what to do with the data. In any case, here's a more zoomed in pic from the wiki:

so wtf am I looking at here?

 This is a pic from Kasumi's DLC when we get to see inside the grey box. There is discussion on whether or not this is a reaper since some of the info inside the box could mean war. I am in a minority in believing that this is not a reaper (there is SOME resemblance I admit but not enough and certainly not from the claim being because of markings).

 Just had an additional thought here - this is from PAID DLC. As such that means ANY info from it cannot be assumed to be in the next game OR important enough to mean much. Remember that when ME3 starts the assumption has to be that the player has NOT obtained ANY of the DLC issued between ME2 and ME3. The ONLY way this could be important would be if somewhere in ME3 this was given to us in some manner. In other words perhaps it is a reaper but its throwaway material because its NOT in the original ME2 game.

How do you figure? What makes you think that just because it's paid DLC that it won't affect Mass 3? You can't just state that as a fact without anything to support your claims. The assumption doesn't have to be that a player hasn't used DLC from ME2. Bioware isn't going to cripple the people who paid for ME2 dlc in ME3 because some people didn't. If they could make a crappy DLC like BDtS have an impact on ME2, I'm pretty sure they can do the same with DLC. Bioware is going to be releasing post-game DLC that continues the story. So I'm guessing, with your logic, that the post-game DLC isn't going to affect ME3, neither is the expansion, because some people might not get it.
Umm.. No.

 -Polite

[cbutz]

I was hopeing that it was that the Alliance was building more dreadnoughts (to be part of the citadel alliance they have to have only a few dreadnoughts). I could see that as grounds for indictments. Perhaps they are building dreadnoughts based on Reaper tech (sovys remains). We'll find out in a few years.

Modifié par cbutz, 03 juillet 2010 - 05:46 .

[duodsg]

I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet, but...



Why is everyone assuming that the batarians took the Leviathan of Dis? I don't think ANY species in the known ME galaxy could move something that massive in so short of a time. Especially since batarians don't seem as united as a species as others, especially the Citadel races. Even in ME1 and ME2, the codex clearly says that the ship must have a massive element zero core in order to have the power to move itself from a planet surface into orbit.



And considering how much effort the turian and human teams put in to salvage even just a portion of Sovereign's eezo core after the Battle of the Citadel, the amount of money the batarians (or any species) would've had to put in to salvage in would've been incredible.



The batarians are always trying to second-guess every other species, so taking their word for it doesn't help your case.



I'm liking the theory presented thus far, however...and the only alternative I can think of to explain the Leviathan of Dis disappearing would be that the heretical geth could've recovered it (if they knew it was a Reaper) and they're off rebuilding it somewhere. How the Alliance would fit in, I don't know. But then that leaves the question as to what would happen to such a Reaper after completing Legion's loyalty mission (especially if the heretics were all rewritten).



Just throwing that out there.

[JohnnyBeGood2]

Sand King wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...
I think it would be alot more interesting if the graybox proves that Cerberus never did split and only high rannking officials know the truth.

This make the most sense to me.

That sounds like a "Battlestar Galactica moment" - produce an outcome which is completely unpredictable (that no one can guess) because there is zero evidence pointing in that direction and is contrary to all previous suggestion.
Those guys just had it in for fan boy zealotry ruining their punchline.

[FourSixEight]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

gmartin40 wrote...

I'm gonna put the pieces together. After colonizing Mars and finding Prothean technology, the Alliance ventures out to start exploring the stars. They run into something massive. A Reaper. They decide to salvage it into some type of Alliance storage. The Reaper acts up and comes alive. It ends up destroying the Alliance base. The Alliance decides not to tell people on Earth because people would panic about something big on the loose. It turns out the Reaper is Soverign. Something so deadly that could destroy anything in its path. Few years later the events of Mass Effect: Revelation happen. The Reaper found by the Alliance is hiding because it is waiting for the Return so that they can take over the Milky Way galaxy. Saren finds the Reaper, ME1 happens then ME2 then the Reapers decide to return. The end.

*BEEP* *BEEP* *BEEP* PLOT HOLE ALERT!

Why would Sovereign attack the Citadel, if it only had to wait?

It's very possible for the Reapers to simply invade the conventional route, but that would take too long. The whole point of the Keeper-Citadel connection, from what I recall, is that the Reapers need to use the Conduit to get to the Citadel, activate the Citadel, and then instantaneously jump every single Reaper in dark space right in front of the Citadel.
 
It's the perfect surprise attack, and it's wiped out all resistance on the Citadel every time except this one. Sovereign could have waited for the Reapers to come back manually, but someone might have spotted them on the fringe colonies and the Citadel would have a chance to be fortified. The Reapers don't want that. They want immediate access to all the Citadel's information and power to continue their Cycle, and their Cycle allows this.

[TheScientist]

AriesXX7 wrote...

*snipped*
afterall, when you look at it this way, what do you really need a thief for to begin with against the Collectors?
it could just be ploy to destroy any possible evidence of their connection, which is why she was recruited and given the deal that the greybox would be recovered
*snipped*

So since she "recovered" the misplaced info, does that mean Cerberus will kill Kasumi the minute she disembarks the Normandy after you return from the suicide mission? Hm... one possible reason for the developers to omit her character in ME3 regardless of if she survived the mission

[TruYuri]

GothamLord wrote...

Its more likely the derelict reaper and proof that Cerberus isnt so *rogue* after all within the Alliance.

I've discovered something.

While viewing the Prothean vision in the Rose Nebula, you can see this:


CLEARLY, this is the same object, or something very similar. The three protruding legs from the centralized body, the "square and line" pattern is distinguishable on the top-right.

This is the video I used to find it.

Modifié par TruYuri, 07 juillet 2010 - 05:00 .

[Mars Nova]

Mesina2 wrote...

My theory: Illuminati controls Alliance and they want to enslave every organics using Reaper indoctrination technology.

Dude, the Reapers are the Illuminati.

[Habelo]

The secret will not be a big one, considering it is DLC- so it cant affect the general story at all i am afraid :/



Although, if it was that about cerberus, it would be cool.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Wait, this topic still lives? Interesting, I wonder what new results this will produce.

[MTN Dew Fanatic]

Mars Nova wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

My theory: Illuminati controls Alliance and they want to enslave every organics using Reaper indoctrination technology.

Dude, the Reapers are the Illuminati.

It all makes sense now!