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[Thompson family]

Bump. This issue's come up again yesterday and again today.

[Eranikus1560]

this storyline better not end up a dead end, I would kill bioware

[Badpie]

I wanna know what implicates the Alliance in such a way that it could be disasterous.

[MajesticJazz]

We'll probably get an email....

[Thompson family]

Bump again. Man, this is a popular topic these days.

[jonesy1186]

My idea of the "Implication of the Alliance" could be that in some way the Alliance is working with Cerberus in some way and say they "oppose" them but in reality they are partners in some way. Like the Alliance is rebuilding the downed Reaper with Cerberus' money support or they are giving Cerberus information on certain things like the Reapers so that Cerberus can rebuild the downed Reaper. Or something along the lines of that nature. I don't remember where I read it but someone a while ago had thought that Captain Anderson was talking with a Cerberus employee and discussing things with him, I believe in the DLC of the shadow lair. What if Anderson is an informant or a middle man.



Cause it's strange to think that Anderson knew very quickly that you (Shepard) had been resurrected when others didn't.

[Thompson family]

jonesy1186 wrote...

My idea of the "Implication of the Alliance" could be that in some way the Alliance is working with Cerberus in some way and say they "oppose" them but in reality they are partners in some way. Like the Alliance is rebuilding the downed Reaper with Cerberus' money support or they are giving Cerberus information on certain things like the Reapers so that Cerberus can rebuild the downed Reaper. Or something along the lines of that nature. I don't remember where I read it but someone a while ago had thought that Captain Anderson was talking with a Cerberus employee and discussing things with him, I believe in the DLC of the shadow lair. What if Anderson is an informant or a middle man.

Cause it's strange to think that Anderson knew very quickly that you (Shepard) had been resurrected when others didn't.

You are correct. If you go back to the Shadow Broker base and watch the survelliance videos often enough, back in the room where Feron is, you will see Anderson talking with someone in Cerberus uniform.

[jonesy1186]

I mean that would be a huge heart wrencher and a big plot twist if that turns out to be the evidence in the box. And a decision has to be made by you to either go public with Kasumi's box or keep it hidden for the sake of Anderson and the Alliance. (If you kept the info instead of destroying it). I would love a decision like that, really tough no blue or red it's a grey area!

[darth_lopez]

kraidy1117 wrote...

I think it would be alot more interesting if the graybox proves that Cerberus never did split and only high rannking officials know the truth.

i second that motion we will no doubt find out in ME 3 >>

I need to know biowar i need to know T-T

[TheRevanchist]

Behold everyone...over Kasumi's right shoulder...what do we see? Why...it's our old buddy Nezara. Coincidence?....I think not...I hope this puts the skeptics to rest -bows and exits stage-

Modifié par kylecouch, 19 décembre 2010 - 01:53 .

[TheRevanchist]

In regards to the OP...considering the proof I have just provided I would say your theory is a very real possibility. However it is immpossible to be sure unless we know when Keiji acquierd this evidence. My theory is that the Alliance and Council are fully aware of the Reapers and are taking seceret steps to deal with them. They simply feign ignorance publicly to avoid mass panic. They also deny this to you due to you being with Cerberus, considering how much they distrust them they wouldn't risk telling you so Cerberus does not learn their secerets.

But of course this is simple speculation on my part.

Modifié par kylecouch, 19 décembre 2010 - 02:00 .

[Thompson family]

Nice find kylecouch.

[Thompson family]

While the PS3 version will probably provide no new clues, the sharper resolutions alone will make this worth checking when it comes out.

The evidence is already overwhelming that there are images of a Reaper in the Greybox. What we don't have is any evidence that these aren't images of Sovereign after it revealed itself. The "big secret" could be about the research before Sovereign revealed itself that is referred to in the book. Or it could be that the Alliance recovered more of Sovereign after the attack than they told the other Council races.

Keiji was a thief, not a spy. Where would he have found something like this? What would he have stolen -- something of very high dollar value -- that would have brought him into contact with such evidence? And how would Donovan Hock have heard about it. Who would have hired Hock to go after it?

Or is this all just a very good red herring?

Modifié par Thompson family, 19 décembre 2010 - 06:38 .

[CROAT_56]

kylecouch wrote...

In regards to the OP...considering the proof I have just provided I would say your theory is a very real possibility. However it is immpossible to be sure unless we know when Keiji acquierd this evidence. My theory is that the Alliance and Council are fully aware of the Reapers and are taking seceret steps to deal with them. They simply feign ignorance publicly to avoid mass panic. They also deny this to you due to you being with Cerberus, considering how much they distrust them they wouldn't risk telling you so Cerberus does not learn their secerets.

But of course this is simple speculation on my part.

I was actually thinking this ever since the council stonewalled me the first time I showed up in ME2.

I can't find it right now but a couple weeks after ME2 was released someone wrote a really good fanfic about how the council was hiding the truth from us.
Will try to find it.

[Thompson family]

You know, I really should read the Codex more often.



Grayboxes were banned in 2175 -- eight years before the battle of the Citadel.



The were banned because an intelligence agency worker for the Alliance known as Abraham Rumoi -- which is believed to be an alias of KEIJI OKUDA -- got away with very sensitive Alliance intelligence.



Golly gee bum. I wonder what that very sensitive Alliance intelligence was? ; )

[RogueGeth]

Thompson family wrote...

You know, I really should read the Codex more often.

Grayboxes were banned in 2175 -- eight years before the battle of the Citadel.

The were banned because an intelligence agency worker for the Alliance known as Abraham Rumoi -- which is believed to be an alias of KEIJI OKUDA -- got away with very sensitive Alliance intelligence.

Golly gee bum. I wonder what that very sensitive Alliance intelligence was? ; )

So what if that is true, then that means....WTF!?

[Inverness Moon]

RogueGeth wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

You know, I really should read the Codex more often.

Grayboxes were banned in 2175 -- eight years before the battle of the Citadel.

The were banned because an intelligence agency worker for the Alliance known as Abraham Rumoi -- which is believed to be an alias of KEIJI OKUDA -- got away with very sensitive Alliance intelligence.

Golly gee bum. I wonder what that very sensitive Alliance intelligence was? ; )

So what if that is true, then that means....WTF!?

Indeed! So this dirt predates ME1 by eight years. That is very interesting!

Perhaps someone(s) in the Alliance were considering using Sovereign for exactly the reason Saren attempted to?

[keekee53]

Inverness Moon wrote...

RogueGeth wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

You know, I really should read the Codex more often.

Grayboxes were banned in 2175 -- eight years before the battle of the Citadel.

The were banned because an intelligence agency worker for the Alliance known as Abraham Rumoi -- which is believed to be an alias of KEIJI OKUDA -- got away with very sensitive Alliance intelligence.

Golly gee bum. I wonder what that very sensitive Alliance intelligence was? ; )

So what if that is true, then that means....WTF!?

Indeed! So this dirt predates ME1 by eight years. That is very interesting!

Perhaps someone(s) in the Alliance were considering using Sovereign for exactly the reason Saren attempted to?

This makes the most sense to me.  It wouldn't surpise me if the Alliance attempted to control the reapers and unleashed all of this from the beginning.  If you think about it....humanity has only gained more and more power due to the reaper invasion.   They now have a seat on the council or completely run the council based on your ME1 decision.  They have a human icon that not only humanity respects but other races as well.  They will be in charge of the reaper base if you kept it and if it was destroyed I am pretty sure EDI downloaded plenty of information.   The more Shepard saves the day, the more ground humanity gains in the galaxy.  I believe that is why in ME3 the fight goes to Earth, which is the heart of humanity.

[superfatman]

Kasumi's info is clearly the cheat codes to Asari-Hanar porn games.

[TheRevanchist]

Thompson family wrote...

You know, I really should read the Codex more often.

Grayboxes were banned in 2175 -- eight years before the battle of the Citadel.

The were banned because an intelligence agency worker for the Alliance known as Abraham Rumoi -- which is believed to be an alias of KEIJI OKUDA -- got away with very sensitive Alliance intelligence.

Golly gee bum. I wonder what that very sensitive Alliance intelligence was? ; )

Then I would say this is most probably the Dr's reasearch on Nezara. However what the Alliance themselves did with this information is anyone's guess. I still say the Council and the Alliance are seceretly prepairing. Afterall at the end of ME1 the councilers are saying how Shepard has saved the galaxy from Nezara and the Reapers. When Shepard retorts "The Reaper fleet is still comeing...hundreds of ships...maybe thousands. I'm going to find a way to stop them." Anderson OR Udina agree that the Reapers are coming and steps must be takin...I don't think Bioware would create a Ret-Con of such magnatude. Considering the "default" ME2 story is comprised of all the choices with the least story potential (the Council is dead) I would like to think the Council isn't as incompitent as they are letting on.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

keekee53 wrote...

This makes the most sense to me.  It wouldn't surpise me if the Alliance attempted to control the reapers and unleashed all of this from the beginning.  If you think about it....humanity has only gained more and more power due to the reaper invasion.   They now have a seat on the council or completely run the council based on your ME1 decision.  They have a human icon that not only humanity respects but other races as well.  They will be in charge of the reaper base if you kept it and if it was destroyed I am pretty sure EDI downloaded plenty of information.   The more Shepard saves the day, the more ground humanity gains in the galaxy.  I believe that is why in ME3 the fight goes to Earth, which is the heart of humanity.

I like this idea.  Do we don't really know what signals the Reapers to come Reaping?  It might be that little organics traipsing about on a Reaper sets off the Reaper's alarm clock.  As he's yawning and stretching, the signal goes out to the other Reapers saying that some race is advanced enough to use jump gates and bypass ultra-basic levels of Reaper technology.  The Reapers wake up, shut down the jump gates, wander home, and start culling the useful genetics from the crappy genetics.  When that's done, they "replant" the petri dish worlds and wander back out of the galaxy.

So the humans, being human, find a Reaper floating around and rather than check in with their older friends, they start poking it with a stick.  It growls and flys away, leaving the humans to look at each other in silence and then fly away really fast. 

[NKKKK]

superfatman wrote...

Kasumi's info is clearly the cheat codes to Asari-Hanar porn games.

Finally, someone is making sense here.

[In Exile]

kylecouch wrote...
 When Shepard retorts "The Reaper fleet is still comeing...hundreds of ships...maybe thousands. I'm going to find a way to stop them." Anderson OR Udina agree that the Reapers are coming and steps must be takin...I don't think Bioware would create a Ret-Con of such magnatude. Considering the "default" ME2 story is comprised of all the choices with the least story potential (the Council is dead) I would like to think the Council isn't as incompitent as they are letting on.

Anderson or Udina do, but not the Council as a whole. While Anderson is commited against the reapers, and Udina might be, the rest of the Council might not.

[cbutz]

Whatever is in the greybox, we might need it for whats comming. If the Alliance knew about the reapers beforehand, it makes sense especially in ME 1 where Anderson seemed to jump right onboard with Sheps reaper talk. Yes I know there are other reasons and such vital intel would not be given to a lowly Captain, but hey I guy can throw crap out there can't he?

[achwas]

In Exile wrote...

kylecouch wrote...
 When Shepard retorts "The Reaper fleet is still comeing...hundreds of ships...maybe thousands. I'm going to find a way to stop them." Anderson OR Udina agree that the Reapers are coming and steps must be takin...I don't think Bioware would create a Ret-Con of such magnatude. Considering the "default" ME2 story is comprised of all the choices with the least story potential (the Council is dead) I would like to think the Council isn't as incompitent as they are letting on.

Anderson or Udina do, but not the Council as a whole. While Anderson is commited against the reapers, and Udina might be, the rest of the Council might not.

Given the way Udina spouts of and proclaims humanity's need for ruthlessness, it would not really surprise me if he was part of a scheme to further human influence by grabbing onto the Reaper crisis, especially if (some) humans, were fully in the know about the Reaper's approach a decade in advance.

Say, like Cerberus ? I at times found it very astounding to just what insights TIM seemed to "intuitively" leap about the Reapers.  

Purely speculatively : in the course of the Shan-Xi Blitz (or some other less well known galactic incident ) the human forces come across some Batarian discoveries about the "Leviathan". Being of another mindset entirely, The Batarians not striking me as anything like creative or speculative thinkers anyway, they discover the lurking "Reaper" menace and develop a two-pronged strategy for human survival and supremacy :  Bad Cop ( Cerberus) good Cop (alliance) tag-teaming for one, incidentally opening up a venue for less than ethical scientific studies not possible under alliance regulations and oversight. And second, since they are forewarned, laying the ground-work for a White Knight approach aka "humans save the galaxy"  once the inevitable onslaught surprises everybody else.
I fully expect TIM and Udina ( of the people we know )  to be capable of such a stratagem, with some Cerberus activities purposefully sacrificed to lend some credibility to the  aliiance fighting it.


Now, if someone like Keiji stumbled across a secret like that, would it be worth killing for ? As for the Greybox whether it got destroyed or not, Cerberus knows fully well where Kasumi (andpossibly  the Greybox) is after Shepard conveniently recruits her......