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[owen_shepard]

awnser this what did you dislike and like about the romances bioware gave us

[Spartas Husky]

Videogames, are like a more healthy, less dramatic, more action pack, far more enlightening, less corrosive, more innovative, less hypnotizing (debatable), more educational, far away cousin of modern soap operas.



I dont mind them, they give a fresh look into a game, and makes characters not be just big ethical heroes, but normal people with a lot of flaws and good things.

[silentassassin264]

I am pretty sure this has already been done but why not:
Jacob: In the process of trying to do. I avoided it because I couldn't stand how femshep talks around Jacob.
Thane: Really sweet but they better find the cure pretty soon
Garrus: My absolute favorite. The sincerity and awkardness is hilarious and heartwarming.
Miranda: Also in the process of doing but simply because I had to get another maleshep through ME1.
Jack: Hate it. I made my psychotic renegade maleshep and thought that he could get along fabulously with the other ax crazy character but she turns into a softy if you romance her. It is not so much the softy-ness but the massive swing in personality makes it not fit my renegade shep but you would be an absolute douche to leave her for Miranda at that point.
Tali: Where is face?
Altogether I think they are good addition.  The only problem I have is like with Jack and a femshep.  She is completely inaccessible unless you romance her and you can't as a femshep so she just comes off as a cold **** that you wouldn't mind leaving to die on some godforsaken rock in the galactic core.  You would think that if you were an ax crazy renegade femshep, she would see you two as kindred spirits, bound to become dread pirates together, but she blows you off regardless.  Please, Bioware, do not do that again.

Modifié par silentassassin264, 15 mai 2010 - 11:48 .

[Jackal904]

Can't say I agree with you about Jack silentassassin264. I would elaborate on why, but I just don't feel like it.

[silentassassin264]

Well for a paragon Shep, it is a nice romance option, it is just that I only had two malesheps and my paragon one romanced Tali and my renegade one romanced Jack but since Jack does not stay crazy and violent if you romance her it really did not fit my character at all.

[Spartas Husky]

Jack aint kool lol, just have to add the lumber for the fire

[Chuvvy]

Miranda: Seemed like a fling. And I don't find her that interesting.

Tali: I hate her. I forced my way through the romance to see if you could see her face. I was disappointed, now I hate her more because of that.

Jack: Sort of interesting, I did a playthrough just to see what will happen with her in ME3.



I've yet to do the Female romances. I was going to but when I started up a new one, but then I realized I had to mine for 2 ****ing hours and turned it off.

[OneDrunkMonk]

I found romances with Jack and Miranda to be the most engaging and profound as they both ended up showing vulnerability and perhaps even tenderness. The rest were just embarrassing, like it was forced and unnatural. I really wonder if there was such an outcry from ME1 for more romance that BioWare conceded and wrote it in after the characters were already developed and basic relationships established.



Some fans get all caught up in the romance aspect of the game and miss the forest for the trees. Mass Effect is not a dating sim and forced romances just look awkward and out of place.

[SuperMedbh]

Hmmm...probably the wrong forum for this, as we can't go into non-spoiler details. Once I got over the non-human thing (it's just a game, after all), I found Garrus and Thane to be the best. Garrus is your buddy you suddenly realize is cute, and Thane has depths to his personality that come out as things develop. On the other hand, Kaiden always was the "boy next door", who you go out with because he's a) nice and there.



Jacob gets a lot of flack, but really, it's more Shep's dialogue than Jacob. He does seem a bit standoffish at first, but that's the rank thing. I was disappointed, as he comes off as pretty sexy when you first meet him (my opinion, I realize I'm in the minority here). It's only when you get to the "I just want to taaaaalk a little" that things go south.



For BoyShep, I know there's a lot of Tali hatred (and love), but she struck me as realistic. I had to wonder why she didn't have those suit add ons the Quarian in the Dark Star lounge mentioned. Maybe she's not that kind of girl. But I liked the Jack romance best-- out of all the LIs, she seems to change the most throughout the relationship. After playing through that, I always felt badly that BFFs apparently couldn't get through to her as much as a LI could.

[MassEffect762]

Not. Very. Good.



Or



Lack-luster.

[TheSeventhJedi]

Okay, hear me out when I say this - I liked the ME2 romances better. The scenes themselves weren't that great - and I'm still a little peeved about not seeing Tali's face - but the buildups to them were more believable. Liara's romance in ME1 had a decent buildup, but Ashley's romance kinda seemed out of nowhere. Tali's nervousness was very believable, and with Miranda I got a kind of "we've been through a lot" vibe.

[Siansonea]

Kaidan: Grade B. Lots of personal conversation, end scene dialogue was strong.
Ashley: Grade C–. The whole poetry thing was silly, and her overall character was as unsexy as they come.
Liara: Grade B+. Good interaction and background, end scene dialogue was decent, most risqué end scene of them all, extra credit for being the closest thing to a same-sex romance in the game.
Miranda: Grade pending. I have not completed a playthrough where Shepard romances Miranda yet.
Jacob: Grade pending.  I have not completed a playthrough where Shepard romances Jacob yet.
Garrus: Grade C+. My Adept romanced Garrus, and the end scene was okay and rather amusing, but there was very little buildup.
Tali: Grade pending. I have not completed a playthrough where Shepard romances Tali, though I find the prospect rather preposterous given Tali's immune system.
Jack: Grade C. My Infiltrator romanced Jack, I wasn't impressed. Not a whole lot of dialogue in the end scene, and the buildup wasn't very strong either.
Thane: Grade pending.  I have not completed a playthrough where Shepard romances Thane yet.

Of course I find Shepard's non-romance with Samara far more compelling than the majority of the actual romances. Most of them are rather tepid.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

They're all pretty terrible in ME2, with the exception of Kelly.



Tali's is completely forced and out of character, doubly so when you're importing a renegade Shep from ME1 who treated her like crap and didn't give her the data. And don't even get me started on the immune system and biology differences... This romance is tacked on fan-service through and through.



Miranda is kinda skanky. There's no real emotion there.



Jack's is actually pretty good in the paragon path. It loses points for being male-exclusive, though. It's pretty dumb how a female Shepard can't have an impact in Jack's life; I don't even care about the sex or a relationship.



Thane's is okay for a while. The dead wife and rogue son thing isn't very cool, and his crying and punching the table really took me by surprise, and not in a good way.



Jacob is horrendous. All he does is pressure you to keep things light and act like a sleaze. It's fun to watch how mad he gets when you break up with him, though. XD



Garrus is just gross, and extremely implausible. Slightly less implausible than Tali, but at least Tali is somewhat humanoid and not a gigantic cricket (as best we can tell).



Kelly is where it's at. She's sweet, warm, and there is consistent romantic build-up throughout the game. All the other characters just kind of throw the romance at you in one conversation out of the blue, but with Kelly it's nice and consistent and lasts the entire game.

[Tempest]

Not enough in my opinion. You never really build a relationship with any of them. Sure, building a relationship does require communication, but requires alot of other work as well. Taking them on dates, giving gifts, listening to their troubles, etc. Every character gives the exact same lines,whether your male or female, with only a few different but minor sentences in the end process of the "relationship". You don't really take them anywhere to talk personally. ANYONE within ears reach, which is usually half the crew, can hear your personal conversations with your squadies. I doubt those doors are sound proof.

I think for ME3 the starting of the relationship should be fine in the main part of the game. But to have a "real" relationship should require some work after the main game. As something to do.

Modifié par Tempest, 16 mai 2010 - 05:35 .

[Merlin 47]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

They're all pretty terrible in ME2, with the exception of Kelly.

Tali's is completely forced and out of character, doubly so when you're importing a renegade Shep from ME1 who treated her like crap and didn't give her the data. And don't even get me started on the immune system and biology differences... This romance is tacked on fan-service through and through.

Now....I actually am GLAD they finally made Tali romancable.  I HATED all the choices (or lack thereof) in ME1.  Tali is sweet and adorable, I just loved it when she was available.

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
Miranda is kinda skanky. There's no real emotion there.

No arguments here....

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
Jack's is actually pretty good in the paragon path. It loses points for being male-exclusive, though. It's pretty dumb how a female Shepard can't have an impact in Jack's life; I don't even care about the sex or a relationship.

No thanks.....I don't like my LI's to be bi-polar.  Jack was just WAAAAY to crazy for my tastes.  Reminded me too much of Liara in the opposite direction.

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
Thane's is okay for a while. The dead wife and rogue son thing isn't very cool, and his crying and punching the table really took me by surprise, and not in a good way.

Jacob is horrendous. All he does is pressure you to keep things light and act like a sleaze. It's fun to watch how mad he gets when you break up with him, though. XD

Couldn't tell ya with these two.  I don't do Femsheps.

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
Garrus is just gross, and extremely implausible. Slightly less implausible than Tali, but at least Tali is somewhat humanoid and not a gigantic cricket (as best we can tell).

Again, I don't do Femsheps, but Garrus is awesome!

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...
Kelly is where it's at. She's sweet, warm, and there is consistent romantic build-up throughout the game. All the other characters just kind of throw the romance at you in one conversation out of the blue, but with Kelly it's nice and consistent and lasts the entire game.

See....now I felt that Kelly's was just tacked on and dumb.  And there were so many times I just wanted to tell her to "go away".  Hell, in one playthrough, I let her die on purpose because she got so annoying!  And she seemed like some.....teenage girl.  And no, I didn't feel any buildup with her at all during her romance.  I pray they don't make her a permanent option.  She's the only person on the Normandy I'm not casual with.  It's strictly business with her.....always.

[KitsuneRommel]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Jack's is actually pretty good in the paragon path. It loses points for being male-exclusive, though. It's pretty dumb how a female Shepard can't have an impact in Jack's life; I don't even care about the sex or a relationship.

Jack romance, while sweet, is your typical Hollywood mumbo jumbo of how you can 'cure' childhood traumas and mental illnesses by just loving them.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Merlin 47 wrote...

Now....I actually am GLAD they finally made Tali romancable.  I HATED all the choices (or lack thereof) in ME1.  Tali is sweet and adorable, I just loved it when she was available.

Tali was retconned into being a Shepard fangirl. You should have seen the way she reacted to my renegade Shep after he told her to go through proper channels to get the geth data. She acted like a petulant child; she couldn't wait to get off the Normandy once Saren was stopped. That Shepard never did anything but treat her with contempt; he argued against having her on the Normandy; he told her not to study the engines; he never gave her any credit or trust...
But once you start ME2 she's some sniveling fangirl... I think she even calls you her knight in shining armor. That is not how Tali should have reacted to my Shepard at all. She was retconned, and her "sweetness and innocence" makes no sense. I guess it's possible that she simply has a fetish for humans.

See....now I felt that Kelly's was just tacked on and dumb.  And there were so many times I just wanted to tell her to "go away".  Hell, in one playthrough, I let her die on purpose because she got so annoying!  And she seemed like some.....teenage girl.  And no, I didn't feel any buildup with her at all during her romance.  I pray they don't make her a permanent option.  She's the only person on the Normandy I'm not casual with.  It's strictly business with her.....always.

You don't have to talk to her you know. And if listening to her say one line as you walk past her is "annoying" then you must have a lot of stress in your life and virtually no patience.

As for build-up, I don't see how anyone could argue that Kelly doesn't have build-up. You start out with simple flirting, which turns into more intimate flirting, which turns into an actual date, which turns into her genuinely caring for you, which turns into her being attracted to you. And all that is played out in her conversations. That's build-up.

KitsuneRommel wrote...

Jack romance, while sweet, is your
typical Hollywood mumbo jumbo of how you can 'cure' childhood traumas
and mental illnesses by just loving them.

Maybe, but I look at it more as a promise from Shepard to help her through her problems. Jack certainly isn't "cured" of all that trauma that fast; she just takes the first step towards trusting someone again.

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 16 mai 2010 - 05:59 .

[Merlin 47]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Merlin 47 wrote...

See....now I felt that Kelly's was just tacked on and dumb.  And there were so many times I just wanted to tell her to "go away".  Hell, in one playthrough, I let her die on purpose because she got so annoying!  And she seemed like some.....teenage girl.  And no, I didn't feel any buildup with her at all during her romance.  I pray they don't make her a permanent option.  She's the only person on the Normandy I'm not casual with.  It's strictly business with her.....always.

You don't have to talk to her you know. And listening to her say one line as you walk past her is "annoying" then you must have a lot of stress in your life and virtually no patience.

As for build-up, I don't see how anyone could argue that Kelly doesn't have build-up. You start out with simple flirting, which turns into more intimate flirting, which turns into an actual date, which turns into her genuinely caring for you, which turns into her being attracted to you. And all that is played out in her conversations. That's build-up.

Sorry, but I just didn't feel it was "build up" as you saw it.  To me, it was just...."there".  And by annoying, no, I meant her personality.  Too much of a teenager; if I could have, I would have left her at the Citadel the moment I left the Cerberus Station.

Or told TIM, "No thanks"

Modifié par Merlin 47, 16 mai 2010 - 05:59 .

[Shotokanguy]

Characterization in all areas of the game needed to be better. The characters were good, we just didn't get enough of them.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Merlin 47 wrote...

Sorry, but I just didn't feel it was "build up" as you saw it.  To me, it was just...."there".  And by annoying, no, I meant her personality. 

I know what you meant. What I said was that there is no reason for you to get annoyed at her if you don't like her because you don't have to talk to her.

And it is build-up. That's not really something you can just "disagree" with. You can argue that you didn't find the build-up appealing, but you can't say it isn't build-up.

Going from flirting to dating to sex is romantic build-up. That's just a fact.

[MarginalBeast]

I liked them but they needed better pacing and development. So they're good, but they could have been a lot better.

I didn't care for Kelly's "romance" because she's basically just there to be a male fantasy. Banging your hot young secretary? And getting her to do a stripper dance for you in your room? Real classy, BioWare.

Modifié par MarginalBeast, 16 mai 2010 - 06:06 .

[The RPGenius]

They range all over the place for me. Note that I mostly just do Paragon, so my experiences reflect that.



Kaiden's romance is okay, but feels out of place--his character and personality just don't lend themselves well to romantic interactions.



Ashley's isn't bad, I guess, but though I can more realistically see her being romantically interested in Shepard, in effect it's rather mediocre.



Liara's probably the best possibility of the ME1 cast; her caring seems genuine, and her character development and personality are more emotional and connected to Shepard to begin with. That said, it's still only fairly decent to me.



Jack's...I can't really decide on. I mean...it kind of has an interesting depth to it, but at the same time, the delivery just doesn't seem right to me, and I end up just seeing it as weird and off-putting.



Miranda's is bland and pointless. There's a hint that there might actually be some emotional connection, but a hint is all; mostly it just seems an emptily physical connection. Doesn't help that most of the game Miranda's at an amiable emotional distance from Shepard. Even if ME2's romances tend to start too late and go too fast as a result, at least Jack, Thane, Garrus, Tali, and Jacob seem to genuinely express themselves to Shepard and not keep a distance right until the last second (even if that expression isn't positive, as with Jack).



Jacob's is...rather pointless. I mean, I hate how much flak this character gets, because I really do like Jacob just fine and think that he's an okay (not great, but okay) character, but his romance just isn't interesting. It's generic, and its direction is too ambiguous. Sorry, but if the most noteworthy aspect of the love story is seeing Jacob's shirtless, rather jacked backside, then it's not a good romance. Even IF that is one ripped back there. Rowr and all that.



Thane's is...hm. Well, it's nice enough, but most of it is, again, not especially noteworthy. Still, you can tell there's some emotion there, and its culmination scene is actually really good and gives Thane more development. So, good overall.



Not sure if they count, but: Kelly: Her interest is believable, her personality is fun, but playful flirting is about all we really get out of the whole thing, which does not a good romance constitute. Samara: Interesting and believably done, staying true to the character. Obviously it fails as a romance, though, as it ends with "Let's just be frie--well, er, war buddies." Morinth: A selfish, hedonistic serial killer who will kill her romantic partner...don't really have to explain this one, do I? I mean, don't get me wrong, the romance options for me aren't all about the sex, but Morinth's pushing for that end while knowing it'll probably kill Shepard, which just doesn't sell me on the romance.



Garrus: I really liked Garrus's. The emotional connection he shares with Shepard is, as the game points out, one of respect and comradeship, so the courtship doesn't feel as rushed as most other ME2 options because its basis has been established and developed from the first game to present. It's also handled believably, develops Garrus's character very nicely, and is sweet and romantic. Definitely good.



Tali: I always did love Tali, so I'm probably too biased on this, but this romance is my favorite. The basic premise for a romance here is, to me, beautiful, in that it is shown to be a romantic connection where physical attraction is, if not absent, at least not a significant reason for their emotional bond--a love between them has to be a love for the other person for their personality and soul. It can be hinted at prior to the actual start of the romance by Kelly, and that hint creates a long-standing basis of unspoken feelings from as far back as the first game, which makes it seem sweet and less rushed. The actual romance itself is emotional, sweet, cute, in character for Tali, and believable. The final scene for it is touching, as well (although I'll admit I still think Garrus's final scene's the best), and the fact that we don't see her face still might annoy many, but for me, I actually appreciate it all the more, because it reinforces the fact that this is an act of love first and foremost, that all other considerations are secondary to their love for each other. It's heartwarming and makes me go "D'Awwww."



So yeah. Most of ME's romances actually aren't that interesting to me, but a few are pretty good, and a couple are really good.

[Revan312]

The romances are tacked on and feel shallow.

I was hoping there would be a bit more interaction with our ME1 love interests but alas, they more than any other feel woefully underdeveloped. I suppose the worst part is just the lack of impact. There's no story change or development based on any of the relationships and so in the end they just seem like one night stands before the big battle and never really move past that stage.

Also they seem really forced/rushed. You go from casual talks to sex in the engine room at light speed. Just slow the hell down and add more dialogue/buildup Bioware...

As Scyphozoa said, Bioware has had very few realistic relationships throughout their games and in the end I think they should just stop trying to add them into their projects if they all come off as diet relationships... I agree that Alister is about the only LI I've ever found interesting in any way simply because you spend a lot of time talking/joking with him, it builds slowly.

So overall, I didn't like ANY of the romances in ME2 minus jack's, and only because I have a soft spot for a girl with her mascara running

If ME1/2 is any indication of how ME3 LI's are going to pan out than I foresee a very lonely life for my Sheps..

Modifié par Revan312, 16 mai 2010 - 07:24 .

[AntiChri5]

Everybody elses has been covered pretty well so i will just talk about Jack.



My favourite but far too quick and easy, a few more conversations would have improved things immensely and mad it feel less like a swith had just been flipped in her brain.



Way way to easy to just "fix" her.