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Teagan: the Greatest Noble Ever or Cheating with Isolde?


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I'm actually one of those folks that like Teagan; here's a guy who has had this Terrible situation dropped on his head and shoulders, and instead of trying to completely relegate it to others, he steps up, and tried to preserve his Brother's Arling and everyone with-in it. He makes toughs decisions and does not shy away for them, even going so far as to throw himself to the Wolfs after the Grey Wardens come to give them a chance at saving His brother's life. That earns him a great deal of respect in my book. 

As to the possible Affair with Isolde? Yeah...I think there was something. Or, at least, the beginning of something. Sadly, Dragon Age takes place in a time where someone of importance who had to travel often to distant places (in this case, Redcliff to Denerim) would often mean being away for weeks or months at a time. When we come into the story, Thedas is in a period of Unrest, with Rumors of the Blight arising way before even the Battle at Ostagar; and here we have Cailan, trying to rally support to bring Orlais into the fold to beat the enemy back, all the while Loghain is there fighting him every step of the way. Though Cailan kept Eamon at Redcliff (in case things went terribly wrong at Ostagar, which they did) there's a good chance that before that Eamon was at Denerim for some time, supporting Cailan and the Bid to form an Alliegence with Orlais.

Now, time-line wise things get tricky here, but let's assume it's around this time that Isolde becomes fearful of Connor's growing Magic, and begins to seek out a Hedge Mage to teach her son in secret. She knows she *has* to keep this from Eamon, and with him gone she's feeling alone, terrified, and is in need of a shoulder to Cry on. Enter Teagan.

They've known one another a long time, they're close, and Teagan cares for and admires Isolde a great deal, alot of which comes through later when our Warden arrives. So, if you put all that together, there is a very good chance that while Eamon was away, and all these behind the scenes events with Connor and Jowan were beginning to take shape, Teagan and Isolde began to feel closer, and perhapes maybe, in a moment of weakness, *something* may have happened. If it did, it's likely that both realized it was a mistake and agreed to put it behind them and not let it effect her marrige or the love Teagan has for his older Brother. For a time, I even entertained the Notion that Connor was, in fact, Teagan's Son, and not Eamons. But, for reasons I won't go into, I ruled that out.

Now, there are some factors that take away from the idea that Teagan and Isolde has a *physical* affair, the foremost being Isolde's Devout belief in the Maker. I'd be willing to bet that someone in the Maker's Tenants there's that whole, "Don't sleep with someone other than your Husband/Wife" thing. So...yeah, it's slim that it happened, but there's just as much evidence there to warrant the possibility that it did. Either way, I respect Teagan, and I do like Isolde if only for the Love she has for her Child. So, that's my Two Cents.
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Hmm Ser Perth - he's got that smooooth voice ;-)

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I don't think Teagan would do his brother dirty like that. He's a good man. Responsible, mature, moral. Plus he is the only Guerrin in the family who seems to actually have all his marbles. The rest I got my doubts about. He seems more annoyed/distrustful of Isolde than actually 'hubba hubba' over her.



For Isolde, she genuinely seems to love her husband. Bringing up his condition is the ONLY thing that makes a dent in her "Don't kill my Connor" mantra.



So no I don't think they did anything like that.


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I am "meh" about Teagan.



Also, he's got an ugly nose! (oh no he didn't!)

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Herr Uhl wrote...

The douchiest douche to ever douche in Ferelden. And he is also a douche.



***casts Crushing prison and Walking Bomb on Herr Uhl***

Ugh, heathen!:ph34r:


********Adding a fireball, glyph of paralysis, cone of cold and petrify......

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Pfeh *uses strength of the stone*

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glenboy24 wrote...

I'm actually one of those folks that like Teagan; here's a guy who has had this Terrible situation dropped on his head and shoulders, and instead of trying to completely relegate it to others, he steps up, and tried to preserve his Brother's Arling and everyone with-in it. He makes toughs decisions and does not shy away for them, even going so far as to throw himself to the Wolfs after the Grey Wardens come to give them a chance at saving His brother's life. That earns him a great deal of respect in my book. 

As to the possible Affair with Isolde? Yeah...I think there was something. Or, at least, the beginning of something. Sadly, Dragon Age takes place in a time where someone of importance who had to travel often to distant places (in this case, Redcliff to Denerim) would often mean being away for weeks or months at a time. When we come into the story, Thedas is in a period of Unrest, with Rumors of the Blight arising way before even the Battle at Ostagar; and here we have Cailan, trying to rally support to bring Orlais into the fold to beat the enemy back, all the while Loghain is there fighting him every step of the way. Though Cailan kept Eamon at Redcliff (in case things went terribly wrong at Ostagar, which they did) there's a good chance that before that Eamon was at Denerim for some time, supporting Cailan and the Bid to form an Alliegence with Orlais.

Now, time-line wise things get tricky here, but let's assume it's around this time that Isolde becomes fearful of Connor's growing Magic, and begins to seek out a Hedge Mage to teach her son in secret. She knows she *has* to keep this from Eamon, and with him gone she's feeling alone, terrified, and is in need of a shoulder to Cry on. Enter Teagan.

They've known one another a long time, they're close, and Teagan cares for and admires Isolde a great deal, alot of which comes through later when our Warden arrives. So, if you put all that together, there is a very good chance that while Eamon was away, and all these behind the scenes events with Connor and Jowan were beginning to take shape, Teagan and Isolde began to feel closer, and perhapes maybe, in a moment of weakness, *something* may have happened. If it did, it's likely that both realized it was a mistake and agreed to put it behind them and not let it effect her marrige or the love Teagan has for his older Brother. For a time, I even entertained the Notion that Connor was, in fact, Teagan's Son, and not Eamons. But, for reasons I won't go into, I ruled that out.

Now, there are some factors that take away from the idea that Teagan and Isolde has a *physical* affair, the foremost being Isolde's Devout belief in the Maker. I'd be willing to bet that someone in the Maker's Tenants there's that whole, "Don't sleep with someone other than your Husband/Wife" thing. So...yeah, it's slim that it happened, but there's just as much evidence there to warrant the possibility that it did. Either way, I respect Teagan, and I do like Isolde if only for the Love she has for her Child. So, that's my Two Cents.
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Ditto.

Teagan is one of the true heros in the game.  He refuses to back down from that tyrant, Loghain, he defends Redcliffe village with everything in his power, he stays loyal to his elder brother, he's totally hot....and that b***** Isolde better keep her Orlesian mitts off him, or I will flame her tushy. He's the guy I most wanted to romance that I couldn't.

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Carmen_Willow wrote...

Teagan is one of the true heros in the game.  He refuses to back down from that tyrant, Loghain, he defends Redcliffe village with everything in his power, he stays loyal to his elder brother, he's totally hot....and that b***** Isolde better keep her Orlesian mitts off him, or I will flame her tushy. He's the guy I most wanted to romance that I couldn't.


That was a stupid move. There is a friggin blight to deal with, decide the politics later instead of having a civil war.

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Herr Uhl wrote...

Carmen_Willow wrote...

Teagan is one of the true heros in the game.  He refuses to back down from that tyrant, Loghain, he defends Redcliffe village with everything in his power, he stays loyal to his elder brother, he's totally hot....and that b***** Isolde better keep her Orlesian mitts off him, or I will flame her tushy. He's the guy I most wanted to romance that I couldn't.


That was a stupid move. There is a friggin blight to deal with, decide the politics later instead of having a civil war.


Loghain is the one who keeps insisting there's no blight.....If he gets to rule, he's liable to remain in denial until all of Ferelden is lost.  Besides, after he manages to make damn sure the entire frickking army (except HIS men) are destroyed at Ostagar I'd sooner follow him to the cesspit than into battle.  Loghain isn't trustworthy any more....and Teagan is right to call him out on it.

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He didn't know if it was a blight, but there were a lot of darkspawn there. The entire south had started to emigrate.



So, instead of trying to work with him to end it, you are going to say "**** you, we will take our inferior troops and fight you so that neither of us can stand up to the darkspawn, haha!". I'm not saying that Loghain is reasonable, but their best chance is trying to work with him, since he Commands the bulk of the armed forces in Ferelden.

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Herr Uhl wrote...

He didn't know if it was a blight, but there were a lot of darkspawn there. The entire south had started to emigrate.

So, instead of trying to work with him to end it, you are going to say "**** you, we will take our inferior troops and fight you so that neither of us can stand up to the darkspawn, haha!". I'm not saying that Loghain is reasonable, but their best chance is trying to work with him, since he Commands the bulk of the armed forces in Ferelden.



This is the man who just allowed your nephew's army to be massacred....what is to keep him from leading Redcliffe's men into the same situation?  What good is it to try and fight the blight when the man who is leading you could manuver the people you are supposed to protect into a similar situation and then "retreat" yet again?  Even without metagaming,  half the bann in that room probably feel the same way but were too scared to voice their concern.  What kind of Army can you build when you don't trust the one leading you? 

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Carmen_Willow wrote...

This is the man who just allowed your nephew's army to be massacred....what is to keep him from leading Redcliffe's men into the same situation?  What good is it to try and fight the blight when the man who is leading you could manuver the people you are supposed to protect into a similar situation and then "retreat" yet again?  Even without metagaming,  half the bann in that room probably feel the same way but were too scared to voice their concern.  What kind of Army can you build when you don't trust the one leading you? 


Yeah, let them kill peasants by the thousands. I call both sides idiots.

They make Bhelen and Harrowmont seem incredibly reasonable.

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Carmen_Willow wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

He didn't know if it was a blight, but there were a lot of darkspawn there. The entire south had started to emigrate.

So, instead of trying to work with him to end it, you are going to say "**** you, we will take our inferior troops and fight you so that neither of us can stand up to the darkspawn, haha!". I'm not saying that Loghain is reasonable, but their best chance is trying to work with him, since he Commands the bulk of the armed forces in Ferelden.



This is the man who just allowed your nephew's army to be massacred....what is to keep him from leading Redcliffe's men into the same situation?  What good is it to try and fight the blight when the man who is leading you could manuver the people you are supposed to protect into a similar situation and then "retreat" yet again?  Even without metagaming,  half the bann in that room probably feel the same way but were too scared to voice their concern.  What kind of Army can you build when you don't trust the one leading you? 


Damn straight!  Teagan isn't swallowing Loghain's BS and really none of the others are but they are too chickensh*t to say anything.  Teagan is the total package.  Mature and responsible enough to have your back when you need it and young enough to be fun still Posted Image.  And he has that whole "Robin Hood" rebel thing going for him too.  He will flirt with the ladies (any lady, he isn't prejudiced) and be all business the next second.

I think his detractors are just jealous to see a real gentleman in action.

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They make Bhelen and Harrowmont seem incredibly reasonable.



You have that right!



I blame Anora....for an "exellent ruler" she let her daddy love cloud her judgment. She should have stepped in which she had a crowd who would have supported her and forced her father to back down and try for a political solution instead of riding roughshod over the Banns.....



She had a chance then and there to step in, take command of the situation and work out a solution. Instead, she let "daddy" do it.

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Sorry, took the thread off topic.



Teagan is great and I wish he had been a romance option for my Warden.

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I don't think Teagan was hitting Isolde. I didn't get the impression he cared for her all that much.



As a side note- riddle me this:



Having read the Stolen Throne, does it seem like some of the ages in the game are a bit backwards? Loghain appears to be older than both Eamon and Teagan in the book, but in the game he looks relatively youthful and dark haired- no grey at all, while Eamon looks like he is about to die from old age. Teagan I guess is about right. Now you can argue that Eamon is just getting up from a poisoned coma and extended vacation in the Fade, but that doesn't account for Loghain looking so young. He was older than Maric IIRC.

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Oh, Eamon aging quicker due to all that mess with Jowan and Connor. I like that idea. And we never do see him before, do we?

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He does look older, but beards are ageing, especially big bushy ones like Eamon's. People also grey at different rates - I had a friend who started greying at 15 and was totally grey by 28. Loghain just got the good hair genes.

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I don't think Teagan and Isolde were having an affair, doesn't really seem in his character.  Although ya can't fault the guy for looking... Isolde is yummy! :wub:

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Am I the only one, who thought about Tristan and Isolde the first time I saw them? Not for very long, though.

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jselene wrote...

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That's why I think neither of them can have kids. Cailan was cheating on Anora, so why doesn't he have a few bastards running around? And I have my own theories on Anora's barreness (lol).


I just assumed that Cailan was the infertile one all along, but nobody wanted to think that since he's the carrier of the Theirin bloodline, and if he's infertile, then no amount of wife changery would give Fereldan an heir.  Thus, Anora got scapegoated.

Back on topic: I'm sort of "meh" about Teagan.  He's not very appealing to me, but on the other hand, imagining him with Isolde... nobody deserves that.  :lol:


I also suspect it's Callan who is infertile, because of the lack of royal bastards (at least that we know of).  It is totally consistent with historic monarchies that it would be Anora who would be blamed, though.  Practically, the only historical situation where I can recall the king being thought impotent/infertile was Henry IV of Castile.  When his wife finally did become pregnant, the resulting daughter was widely viewed as a bastard--which is how the throne passed to his niece Isabella rather than to "his" daughter who was married to the King of Portugal.

I'm kind of meh on Teagan as well.

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Once upon a time there was a Swedish king (by the time also ours), who was so clueless, his groom (Master of the Horse) had to impregnate his queen. The name escapes my mind, maybe Xandur or Uhl could come up with it. Posted Image

Edit: Gustav III and Adolf Fredrik Munck

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I wondered if he had thing with Isolde when she was first married to Eamon but it died a death when Teagan saw how shabbily Isolde treated Alistair. There was certainly something there anyhow. God knows why....

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MireliA wrote...

I wondered if he had thing with Isolde when she was first married to Eamon but it died a death when Teagan saw how shabbily Isolde treated Alistair. There was certainly something there anyhow. God knows why....


Yea I would think anything that might have been would have been killed by that.  Teagan is the ONLY Guerrin who is genuinely happy to see Alistair (not for being Maric's son or dealing with the undead/demon thing) but just genuinely really happy to see the boy lived through the Ostagar debacle.  (Toolset notes back this up its not an act)

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Herr Uhl wrote...

Carmen_Willow wrote...

This is the man who just allowed your nephew's army to be massacred....what is to keep him from leading Redcliffe's men into the same situation?  What good is it to try and fight the blight when the man who is leading you could manuver the people you are supposed to protect into a similar situation and then "retreat" yet again?  Even without metagaming,  half the bann in that room probably feel the same way but were too scared to voice their concern.  What kind of Army can you build when you don't trust the one leading you? 


Yeah, let them kill peasants by the thousands. I call both sides idiots.

They make Bhelen and Harrowmont seem incredibly reasonable.



Well of course they do. Dwarves are, by default, awesome. It's not the surfacer's fault that they are innately inferior beings, and can't run a war or a country worth ****.