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[BHRamsay]

BigBad wrote...

Yeah, that was just dumb on his part. I slaughtered my way through his entire castle, pausing only long enough to loot the weapons and armor of the dead guards, and he wants to bribe me to forget about it and walk away? And not even give me what I came for in the first place?
"I'm going to enjoy killing you."
On the other hand, almost all my non-elf characters do release him from Howe's dungeon in exchange for his vote at the Landsmeet, since they don't actually talk to him long enough to discover what an utter bastard he is. One sacrifice I make in the name of role-playing.

Talk to Soris first before you let him go, that will give you the warm fuzzies...of course one of my last playthroughs was an Female elf mage ... man is in jail confronted by a well armed person who almost glows with power and still he has to cut loose with his -- lazy ignorant knife ear noise--- I actually regretted not learning blood magic and more specifically blood control right then.

[tmp7704]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I could never do it, but if Vaughn had actually kept his word then things would have been better for the city elves as a whole (though not those women) had Vaughn lived because then there would be no purges and uprisings and no Tevinter slavers as the situation was 'unsalvageable'...Of course, you'd have to be rather gullible to believe he would keep his word which is just one more reason he dies every time.

The slavers were installed by Howe/Loghain as means to get money to fuel the war, i don't see how Vaughn living or not makes a difference in that -- even the game itself confirms that as in different origin playthroughs Vaughn actually does live, and you meet him in Howe's dungeon while the slavers run their business. No purges and no uprisings are also very debatable given the tensions between elves and humans are rather permanent, things would likely erupt all the same, just over a different incident.

[Sarah1281]

who would seriously trust Shianni with something so important!?

Why not trust Shianni?Frankly, she cares about the Alienage more than I do and is untiring in her efforts to get through to these people and make things better. She may sometimes be lacking in the social graces (as she admits to a non-CE after you stop the slavers) but those can be learned. I like that ending better anyway because my character really can't be bothered to stick around and dealing with that mess and you know Shianni would jumpt at the chance. Besides, two elves out and in the public eye (the Hero and the Bann) is better than one.

[Xetirox]

Seven reasons why being a City Elf is awesome.

1). You distract the bann while Shianni brains him with a bottle.

2). You can openly threaten a pair of nobles and send them packing with their tails between their legs.

3). You get to threaten and trashtalk Duncan with an imminent “beatdown” while he’s armed to the teeth, and all you’ve got are some wedding clothes and a pair of boots.

4). When it’s time to kick ass, all you’ve got are the clothes on your back and a couple of borrowed weapons, and have to make do with what you can get from the armed guards. And you still come out on top.

5). You can claim you were singularly responsible for all of the slaughter to a squad of guards ready to declare Elf Hunting Season, and have them buy it! And you’re only half-lying.

6). You get to penetrate Cailan’s cheery wide-eyed idealism and stun him speechless (with the line: “I killed an arl’s son for raping my friend.”)

7). You get to threaten Howe (and perhaps by extension, Loghain) right to his face at the beginning of the Landsmeet chain of quests.

Modifié par Xetirox, 16 mai 2010 - 05:35 .

[sylvanaerie]

Xetirox wrote...

Seven reasons why being a City Elf is awesome.

1). You distract the bann while Shianni brains him with a bottle.

2). You can openly threaten a pair of nobles and send them packing with their tails between their legs.

3). You get to threaten and trashtalk Duncan with an imminent “beatdown” while he’s armed to the teeth, and all you’ve got are some wedding clothes and a pair of boots.

4). When it’s time to kick ass, all you’ve got are the clothes on your back and a couple of borrowed weapons, and have to make do with what you can get from the armed guards. And you still come out on top.

5). You can claim you were singularly responsible for all of the slaughter to a squad of guards ready to declare Elf Hunting Season, and have them buy it! And you’re only half-lying.

6). You get to penetrate Cailan’s cheery wide-eyed idealism and stun him speechless (with the line: “I killed an arl’s son for raping my friend.”)

7). You get to threaten Howe (and perhaps by extension, Loghain) right to his face at the beginning of the Landsmeet chain of quests.

LOL My two favorites on that list are number 3 (I think Duncan is chuckling in his beard and deliberately needling you to test you) And number 6.  Its like Cailan comes up all puffed and cheery and suddenly you stuck a pin in him BLAM!!  A serious reality check moment for him esp after chatting in his not very interested way about the Alienage.

[mousestalker]

I love #1 on the list. Shianni rocks the wine bottle.



#6 is just plain fun to say and see the reactions.



Let's face it, the city elf origin is the closest thing to being a fantasy browncoat. Big damn heroes all the way.

[Cypher0020]

Yaaaaay! Love when Shianni brains that bastard with the bottle... I gut Vaughn everytime and do a happy dance when I get a decapitaiton on him



Plus... the final battle goes down in Denereim. Fighting off the DS, battling the archdemon all goes down in your hometown.... so the story ends right where it began for the CE

[Hyper Cutter]

mousestalker wrote...

The City Elf origin is why I no longer like Wynne. Her little speech about the evils of blood magic is just a little shallow when I'm looking at Caladrius and his goons and my father is standing in a cage not far away. No Wynne, I will let Caladrius kill my father, all my relatives, kith and kin just so I can have a boost to one stat. We just weren't listening when Shianni told her tale of woe were we? I also lost my crush on Alistair for similar reasons. Lelianna starts out ignorant but is willing to learn and to grow. Zevran just gets it.

Anyone else want to smack Morrigan when she suggests taking Caladrius' offer. I mean, you don't even get to reply to that!

[said a mom]

FCE is my absolute fav, on top of all the great reason's listed why I have also grown to love the angsty ending when you'ver romanced Alistair (I save the world and I'm not good enough to be the @#$% queen! #@%$ you all!) or the super sweet romance with Zev when you coax him into a proposal that just feels really right with a CE

[BigBad]

Heh. I can't even count the times I wanted to smack Morrigan. I grab Wynne as soon as possible just so I have a mage who isn't Morrigan. She sits in camp for the entire game.

[Xetirox]

Hyper Cutter wrote...
Anyone else want to smack Morrigan when she suggests taking Caladrius' offer. I mean, you don't even get to reply to that!

Not really...mostly 'cause it's the exact kind of thing you should expect from her at this point.

Modifié par Xetirox, 16 mai 2010 - 10:31 .

[BHRamsay]

Hyper Cutter wrote...

mousestalker wrote...

The City Elf origin is why I no longer like Wynne. Her little speech about the evils of blood magic is just a little shallow when I'm looking at Caladrius and his goons and my father is standing in a cage not far away. No Wynne, I will let Caladrius kill my father, all my relatives, kith and kin just so I can have a boost to one stat. We just weren't listening when Shianni told her tale of woe were we? I also lost my crush on Alistair for similar reasons. Lelianna starts out ignorant but is willing to learn and to grow. Zevran just gets it.

Anyone else want to smack Morrigan when she suggests taking Caladrius' offer. I mean, you don't even get to reply to that!

Yet another reason, i suspect, why the "slap morrigan" mod is so very popular.

*edit*

It's one of those moments when you wish you could remind her that She sent your ass back to Flemeth to face down her uber-powerful Mother who wantd to do a similar "little service"

Modifié par BHRamsay, 16 mai 2010 - 10:44 .

[Rhys Cordelle]

Alistair's reforms would open up the City Elves to a better way of living; and, over time, I think both the Humans and the Elves would find thier lives more peaceful and productive. Better living and opportunity often spurs population bursts. One need only look at our own world to see this, for better or worse.

Only problem with that is, the more integrated elves become within human society, the faster their population will drop. A human and elf couple can only produce human-looking children after all.





I noticed that if you, as a different origin, convince Vaughan to pay you to set him free, the chest of gold he gives you is 40 sovereigns, which is exactly the payment he offers to the City elf if I recall correctly. Made me feel dirty to take it. Like it's blood money or something.

[Sarah1281]

You can always talk him into giving you the key and then killing him anyway.

[Rhys Cordelle]

True, but I thought he might stand for me in the Landsmeet. But if you take his gold then he doesn't show there. You'd think getting revenge against the regime that stole his arling and imprisoned him would be sufficient motivation.

[RogueWriter3201]

Rhys Cordelle wrote...

Alistair's reforms would open up the City Elves to a better way of living; and, over time, I think both the Humans and the Elves would find thier lives more peaceful and productive. Better living and opportunity often spurs population bursts. One need only look at our own world to see this, for better or worse.

Only problem with that is, the more integrated elves become within human society, the faster their population will drop. A human and elf couple can only produce human-looking children after all.


I noticed that if you, as a different origin, convince Vaughan to pay you to set him free, the chest of gold he gives you is 40 sovereigns, which is exactly the payment he offers to the City elf if I recall correctly. Made me feel dirty to take it. Like it's blood money or something.

Perhaps you should have read my post more closely, as I *did* mention the fact that the Elven population could not gain momentum via Elven/Human couples due to Gaider's choice to make Elven/Human reproduction extremely one sided.

As to the thought that Alistair's reforms would only hinder the Elven people, I'm afraid you're not seeing the larger picture. The simple fact is, despite past injustices, the gaps between the City Elven peoples and the City Humans would begin to fill overtime; however, that would not mean you would see a decline in the Elven population.

Such a thing would only occur if Alistair's reforms favored Humans over Elfs, and he makes it clear that isn't the case. Equal rights for both races. Why would Elves prefer Humans over Elven partners when marrying a Human gains you nothing special, just a Human wife or husband. As I stated, better living for the Elven people would take a tremendous strain off of thier limited lifes, allowing them to have larger families. And, as Elfs do not suffer from the Low fertility of the Dwarves, Elven numbers would climb sharply with-in only a generation or so.

Modifié par glenboy24, 17 mai 2010 - 12:53 .

[Rhys Cordelle]

I disagree. Poorer families tend to have more children. And it doesn't matter whether or not elves would prefer a human partner. I wasn't suggesting that they would. But the simple fact that any time an elf chooses a human partner, that elf will not have elven children, means that the population will dwindle. The same is true in reality. A blonde who has children with an asian will not have blonde children. Over time, blonde hair and blue eyes will be extremely rare.

[mousestalker]

Rhys Cordelle wrote...
Over time, blonde hair and blue eyes will be extremely rare.

You really need to visit Brazil.

Also you underestimate the power of peroxide.

[RogueWriter3201]

Rhys Cordelle wrote...

I disagree. Poorer families tend to have more children. And it doesn't matter whether or not elves would prefer a human partner. I wasn't suggesting that they would. But the simple fact that any time an elf chooses a human partner, that elf will not have elven children, means that the population will dwindle. The same is true in reality. A blonde who has children with an asian will not have blonde children. Over time, blonde hair and blue eyes will be extremely rare.

(Pause)
 
What?!

Okay, I need to take a step back here and figure out where you're coming from, since it seems you're not really *reading* what I put down.

The *Only* way the Elven Population would dwindle, is if the Elven people began marrying more Humans than Elfs, in which case children born would be Human. There is *nothing* to indicate the Elven people would go down this route. They have new-found rights and freedom, and equal opportunity. The Game Lore even mentions that Elfs are a close people; so why would a close people choose others not of thier Race to breed with out of purportion with thier own?

You mentioned that you weren't suggesting Elfs would prefer Humans over other Elfs, but at the close of your last post that's *exactly* what you're suggesting with your Blonde Hair Blue Eyed example. So, again, now that the Elven people have a chance to grow and reaquaint themselves with thier own Culture without the fear of Human retribution there is nothing holding them back from a Major population boost now that they will have the resources to facilitate and maintain that.

[Sarah1281]

I do have to wonder WTH Soris was thinking when he had all those human kids, though. OTOH, it was a huge scandal and they had to move so I'm guessing it's not all that common.

[RogueWriter3201]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I do have to wonder WTH Soris was thinking when he had all those human kids, though. OTOH, it was a huge scandal and they had to move so I'm guessing it's not all that common.

[BigBad]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I do have to wonder WTH Soris was thinking when he had all those human kids, though. OTOH, it was a huge scandal and they had to move so I'm guessing it's not all that common.

Puts a CE+Morrigan/Alistair/Leliana romance in a bit of a different light, that does.

[Sarah1281]

Unless it's a CEF Leliana and then there's no kids no matter what your race. Or with Alistair, I guess, given the taint...

[Sabariel]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I do have to wonder WTH Soris was thinking when he had all those human kids, though. OTOH, it was a huge scandal and they had to move so I'm guessing it's not all that common.

I always wondered how Soris ended up with a human woman. What happened to Valora?