I have had issues with the "paragon/renegade" system in ME2. We are encouraged, in mordin's loyalty mission to accept that the use of the genophage was ethically questionable, but after thinking about it for a long time I am not so sure it is.
The Salarians made contact with the krogan before they were ready, bad decision.
Used them to fight the rachni, bad decision.
Now the argument is, since they were wronged that they should not have been subjected to the genophage and they are suffering under the genophage and they should be cured. Curing them would be the "paragon" thing to do. But is it? I have played ME for hours at a time beaten the game numerous times and the vast majority of your interactions with krogan are aggressive at best. Most of them talk lightly about killing turians and salarians. You can here some on the citadel talk about killing turians for fun. Grunt himself admits it does not matter who he kills, as long as he is killing. The clan spokesman of clan wyrloc admits that if his clan was cured of the genophage they would travel across the starts in "a see of blood" and talks about attacking the citadel. They are even ready to kill each other in a "neutral" ground on tuchunka. (You can over hear the two random krogan on the top floor near the shaman guy) Wrex also suggest in conversation that his people are naturally violent and murderous stating "I can't change what we are" when asked about the violent opposition against him.
Now I wouldn't argue the use of the genophage was paragon but I do not think it was really renegade either. I think it is a morally gray issue. Now I know, I know, "but its the salarians fault for introducing them too quickly to technology and destroying their culture" That's true but thats in the past. We are talking about the now and, based just on shepards interaction with the krogan and the violent behavior they display it is extremely likely the cure would result in the killing and murder of millions if not billions of people. I do not see how endangering or suggesting endangering so many people is paragon. Sure there are "good" and "temperate" krogan, but they are undeniably in the EXTREME minority. I think its a gray issue.
The Genophage *spoilers*
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Posté 17 mai 2010 - 08:14
Bogsnot1
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If you have thought about it this much, then all that is required is to give your thought processes a little kick along for the obvious solution.
During Mordin's loyalty quest, part of the dialogue reveals that Mordin would be more open to the idea of peace with the Krogan, if they manage to form and hold a stable form of government. This is something that Wrex appears to be in the process of.
Wrex is unusually deep for a Krogan. He is well travelled, seen/experienced a lot, helped save the galaxy, and most importantly, I believe he has come to understand, and grudgingly accept, the reasoning behind the genophage, even if he does not like it.
My advice: Trust in Wrex. He is providing the stability the Krogan need to begin to be taken seriously by the Council, thus paving the way for the "future reward" of a genophage cure once Wrex helps save the galaxy a second time.
Between the data you get on Mordin's mission, and blessing from the council which may just provide data from the Turians on the original genophage, and the Salarians the modified version, a cure would not take that long to produce.
An alternative outcome, is with Wrex setting up the neutral breeding grounds, it would not surprise me to learn that mating records are being kept, and they will come to learn which bloodlines are affected by the genophage, and which ones arent. A more select breeding program will begin, resulting in Krogan who are free of the genophage. Because fertility in this program would be the primary goal, rather than size/strength, we could just start to see the Krogan evolve into something slightly less intimidating.
During Mordin's loyalty quest, part of the dialogue reveals that Mordin would be more open to the idea of peace with the Krogan, if they manage to form and hold a stable form of government. This is something that Wrex appears to be in the process of.
Wrex is unusually deep for a Krogan. He is well travelled, seen/experienced a lot, helped save the galaxy, and most importantly, I believe he has come to understand, and grudgingly accept, the reasoning behind the genophage, even if he does not like it.
My advice: Trust in Wrex. He is providing the stability the Krogan need to begin to be taken seriously by the Council, thus paving the way for the "future reward" of a genophage cure once Wrex helps save the galaxy a second time.
Between the data you get on Mordin's mission, and blessing from the council which may just provide data from the Turians on the original genophage, and the Salarians the modified version, a cure would not take that long to produce.
An alternative outcome, is with Wrex setting up the neutral breeding grounds, it would not surprise me to learn that mating records are being kept, and they will come to learn which bloodlines are affected by the genophage, and which ones arent. A more select breeding program will begin, resulting in Krogan who are free of the genophage. Because fertility in this program would be the primary goal, rather than size/strength, we could just start to see the Krogan evolve into something slightly less intimidating.
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Posté 17 mai 2010 - 09:48
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Do not forgot that the salarians were practically forced to uplift the krogan do to Sovereign moving against them in the form of the rachni. In doing so, they (or he, if you ironically blame Sovereign) set in motion the events that would lead to the Genophage, which made a Reaper-viable race useless. That doesn't justify it, but suffice it to say that they've hold the line against the Reapers twice already.
As far as the current krogan go, I have to say that I'm pleased with the current balance. I have no doubt that Wrex will lead the krogan into a new era, but I'm sure suddingly curing the Genophage will only have a negative effect on his plans.
As far as the current krogan go, I have to say that I'm pleased with the current balance. I have no doubt that Wrex will lead the krogan into a new era, but I'm sure suddingly curing the Genophage will only have a negative effect on his plans.
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Posté 18 mai 2010 - 03:04
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I agree. The Krogan, as a culture and as a species, are not yet ready for the Genophage to be cured. There needs to be a fundamental paradigm shift in the way the Krogan think in order for them to no longer need the Genophage to keep them in check.
It's why I hope that what Wrex is doing will succeed. He is attempting to change the very fabric and nature of Krogan society, to make them less warlike (or at least, to not jump to violence as the first solution to every problem). I know he is not likely to succeed even in his long Krogan lifetime, but I hope that he will lay the groundwork for a radical new direction for the Krogan race that can see them peacefully integrated into galactic society.
It's why I hope that what Wrex is doing will succeed. He is attempting to change the very fabric and nature of Krogan society, to make them less warlike (or at least, to not jump to violence as the first solution to every problem). I know he is not likely to succeed even in his long Krogan lifetime, but I hope that he will lay the groundwork for a radical new direction for the Krogan race that can see them peacefully integrated into galactic society.
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Posté 20 mai 2010 - 08:30
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I'd be surprised if you didn't have to cure the genophage for Krogan support in ME3. Which I will do, because who doesn't want an army of Krogan at their back?
