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[Arijharn]

that's a good point about Toombs. It would be deliciously ironic if I killed him as part of his attempts to get even with Cerberus though.

[Markinator_123]

Rewriting the heretic geth should defintely bite in you *** because rewriting them is just blind optimism.

[Pacifien]

Shandepared wrote...
*snip*
In the end I want an equal spread of renegade/paragon choices that have only one 'good' outcome. There should be cases where the paragon tries to go the extra mile to stop the badguy and save the maiden in distress... but winds up accomplishing nothing. On the other hand there should be cases where the paragon reaps twice the reward because they not only save the hostages but kill or capture the terrorist too.

The same could be said for renegade choices. Though sometimes it feels like most of the renegade choices do result in accomplishing nothing because so far the results have always been the same either way or the paragon choice was rewarded with a cameo in ME2.

But as far as certain decisions reaping twice the reward, I agree. Perhaps rewriting the heretics ends up failing, thus rewarding those who took the renegade route. Perhaps saving the rachni creates a much more powerful army, thus rewarding those who took the paragon route. I guess the trick is deciding when the paragon/renegade decisions are going to reward you or hinder you in such a manner that keeps the game balanced between the two.

[Sharn01]

I still fail to see how a cameo is a reward and Renegade players get shafted. Any cameo by an ME character that was quest related had a stand in, the rest where just dialog. Unless you are asking for NPC's to be standing in their spots telling you what a good job you did bullying and slaughtering those people I am clueless as to what kind of reward you want.

[Poison_Berrie]

There really isn't much reward either way. The only time there is an actually reward is Zaeed's loyalty mission (more money if you go Paragon).

Like Sharn01 said most Renegade options in ME 1 change a cameo or in one case exclude a quest in ME 2(though in theory paragoning Conrad in ME 1 should have meant you did not see him in ME 2). 
I don't get why people get the idea that Renegades have it harder.

As it stands I'd like some more blow back of certain choices on both sides, nothing game changing but having it open a new mission that is a consequence of your earlier choice. Like if you let Vido or the killer Eclipse merc go and having to kill them now. Or have people come after you for revenge for a renegade action. Something flowing out of giving Ish the packages or giving the smuggling data to Mr Thax.

Modifié par Poison_Berrie, 18 mai 2010 - 09:39 .

[Landline]

Trying to cure the krogan genophage is the one most likely to bite you in the ass.



I mean, sure Wrex and most of his clan are civilized, but there are still a lot of krogan barbarians out there. If they start breeding like rabbits...

[LadyAlekto]

I say TIM will make the worstbest possible with the reaper base, and i stay with cerberus, who cares if we kill a couple thousand, their problem, we have to kill ancient hyperadvanced machines, and afterwards a krogan population, if not the rachni as well (and while were at, lets dust some salarians and turians)

(if it goes to gaming and deciding such stuff, im one mean B***h that krogan childs get told to behave)

i would note that i prefer the "parage" option intimidate anyone, save lives most times, tho i just dont get myself to give the batarian and that salarian some medigel, damn beggar

Modifié par ShadedPhoenix, 19 mai 2010 - 11:57 .

[GodWood]

Destroying the Base.

Letting balak go.

Saving the genophage.

[Mercedes-Benz]

For some reason, I think that letting the Rachni go will backfire for the people who did it..., after all, they were already indoctrinated once without a problem...

[Sharn01]

The only real disadvantage the rachni have as opposed to other races is if you indoctrinate the queen you indoctrinate the entire hive, of course the same argument can be made for the geth, if someone is smart enough to introduce a virus to one geth, every geth linked to it will also get infected.

[Pacifien]

Ah, so if you let Rana Thanoptis live on Virmire, she eventually finds the key to withstand indoctrination. But if you killed her, you just gotta deal with people getting indoctrinated left and right.

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

Sharn01 wrote...

The only real disadvantage the rachni have as opposed to other races is if you indoctrinate the queen you indoctrinate the entire hive, of course the same argument can be made for the geth, if someone is smart enough to introduce a virus to one geth, every geth linked to it will also get infected.

geth will auto-correct. Otherwise the quarians would have regained the geth long ago. Geth is perhaps the hardest race to take over period. The only way soverign was able to was to convince an small portion to join him, and even then, he had to make an convincing arguement.

[Flamin Jesus]

Sharn01 wrote...

The only real disadvantage the rachni have as opposed to other races is if you indoctrinate the queen you indoctrinate the entire hive, of course the same argument can be made for the geth, if someone is smart enough to introduce a virus to one geth, every geth linked to it will also get infected.

Regarding the Rachni, I think we have to remember that at the time, Reapers were completely unknown to the galactic community at large; it's easy to use a stealth weapon like indoctrination when nobody has a clue it exists.
By now, the Rachni might be the only species that collectively knows about and works against the Reapers, they even remember indoctrination and what it felt like and would most likely recognize undercover attempts at indoctrinating their queen(s), especially considering that indoctrination takes days, weeks or even months to reliably show results.
I don't see anything short of a massive siege (Consisting of enough ships to block any escape attempts and enough Reapers to guarantee they're not all shot down) of the new Rachni homeworld that could achieve that. If they're smart, they also adjusted their behaviour towards establishing multiple, spread out hiveworlds to ensure that controlling one won't turn their entire species into slaves again.

Of course, finding out that the Rachni are actually the Reaper's origin species or something like that and that they've willingly worked together all along would be kinda fun. Stupid, but fun.

But Geth, yeah, I actually half expected to find proof that the Heretics were originally infected by Sovereign in the first place, and I can't really imagine they'll be able to effectively protect against future viruses, considering the one from Legion's loyalty mission was basically able to infect all Heretics in range via phone as soon as you got the data.

[Dean_the_Young]

It won't be much of a loss except possibly in casualty counts, but in ME1 if you return the service woman's body for burial (Ash's squad mate) rather than let the Alliance study it for developing anti-Geth tech, in ME2 there's a news article about how the Alliance is having a hard time meeting recruitment goals because of a lack of public faith. Letting that effect the final casualty count would be a choice for players.

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

Shandepared wrote...

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...


geth will auto-correct. Otherwise the quarians would have regained the geth long ago. Geth is perhaps the hardest race to take over period. The only way soverign was able to was to convince an small portion to join him, and even then, he had to make an convincing arguement.

The heretics were able to develop a virus that would stop the geth from auto-correcting, and the quarians seem confident they can do the same.
 

An virus that from what I was told, would make the geth think 1 < 3. It's an convincing arguement. Not some windows virus that mirror images your mouse movements or decides to download 30gigs of p0rn onto your hard drive and visit an bunch of websites all by itself. It would be an virus to the geth because the decision to join the heretics would spread so fast throughout the geth that it's rate of spread would be considered to be one.

It's equivlant to brain washing the geth basically.

[Dean_the_Young]

The virus is a virus: it causes subtle mathematical errors that are reflected in higher processes which result in changes in judgment. It is not a natural conclusion for the infected party.



For Heretics and True Geth, their maths are equally true: a heretic says five is less than eight, a true geth says six is more than two. The virus has the effect of making someone who would say 5<8 decide to say 6>2.

[Lumikki]

I can only think three possibility:

• Rewriting the heretic geths.
• Destruction of Collectors ship.
• Saving Rachni Queen.

Hard to know was it good call or bad. Have to just hope they where right calls.

Modifié par Lumikki, 20 mai 2010 - 06:32 .

[Dean_the_Young]

I never understood people's fear of the heretic geth reverting. Legion will say it's a non-zero probability: there's also a non-zero probability that everyone in the nation will yawn at the same time. That doesn't mean it's going to happen. Using the phrase non-zero probability is about as close to saying 'it won't happen' as you can without denying the physical possibility. It's not like the Heretics would have been foiled by this non-zero probability had they deployed the virus.



Destruction of the Collector ship is an obvious one, not so much in the outcome (Reapers will die) but in terms of how many of who die.



Saving Samara is always a risky one, even for a Paragon. She'd kill Nihlus and she'd blow a police station away, so simply being Paragon isn't protection from her Code. Doing any Renegade is even worse, so Paragades/Renagons beware as well.



And of course, who can forget what humoring Conrad led to?

[mosor]

1. I think if you spare Joram Talid it will bite you in the ass if the old council is dead. He'll keep agitating against humans and keep sending his goons to shake businesses down.



2. Keeping Maelon alive might bite you in the ass. Might tell other Krogan that you have the genophage cure or do other unethical experiments.





As for Samara, she is risky, but I usually save her over Morinth, even as a renegade. If Samara comes after me as a renegade, I'll just kill her. Not like Sheppard hasn't killed stronger enemies than her.

[EricHVela]

You miss out on the option for a discount in ME2 (and some fun) if you don't threaten Conrad in ME1.

By the same token if you did get ME2's Conrad quest, I suspect that not shooting him means you'll miss out on more in ME3. (If he dies or goes home to stay [and I doubt he'll die because you grazed him], it seems to end his story either way. There's a balance between being an "big jerk" to him and tolerating him. You gotta play it juuuust right.)

[ShadyKat]

tonnactus wrote...

nhsk wrote...

You don't have the Geth if they are deadlocked in a battle against the Quarians oO

The geth would annihilate the quarians very fast like they did in the first war.

Tali said the first war was grueling and lasted several years. How is that considered fast?

[Dean_the_Young]

While his argument is wrong, his intent was correct. Due to the precarious nature of the Quarian flotilla, any war would be very short. Either a decisive victory, or a apparent defeat followed by rapid retreat/mass death.

[Blackveldt]

Something has been bothering me a bit in ME2--the Asari stuck at customs (I believe) since apparently they were flagged for Geth infiltration. It worries me because we never find out the real or even full reason why they were flagged in the first place. Obviously, they aren't Geth, but it could have been a cover (though a rather lame one) for something else. I'm probably over-analyzing, but I would hate to be responsible for letting them through if anything bad resulted.



The other decision that may come back to haunt you in ME3 is from a side quest--one in which you find incriminating (and quite damaging) data on Cerberus. You have the choice to upload it to the Alliance, keep it for yourself, or upload to Cerberus. I always choose to keep it for myself, no matter my alignment. I imagine uploading it to Cerberus and later telling TIM to effectively f*** off to be worthy of a *facepalm* moment. Oh, the possibilities.