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[ObserverStatus]

If you are renegade, both Samara and Morinth want to kill you, so that isn't a factor.

[Nivenus]

Those are actually some good arguments regarding Morinth. Still, I'm more inclined to trust Morinth and my renegade Shep's too professional too hire her I think (though we'll see).

[GothamLord]

bobobo878 wrote...

If you are renegade, both Samara and Morinth want to kill you, so that isn't a factor.

Samara will kill you because your morals clash with her code.  

Morinth wants to kill you and eat you because look tasty and will make her more powerful.

I can find Morinth someone else to eat, I cant change the Justicar code.

[Spartas Husky]

JKoopman wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

I mentioned this before. But when you choose between going after Vido, or helping the hostages, and you choose the hostages, Zaeed says " i knew this was a mistake"

I would have loved to have the dialogue option of : "you should have thought of it before you set this place on fire, now I have to deal with your fu....ing mistake"

You actually do get a line very similar to that. Immediately after Zaeed blows the refinery door and starts the explosive chain reaction, you can confront him and - if the Paragon interupt is selected - you punch him and say "I oughta knock you the hell out but thanks to you we have a burning refinery to save!"

Oh yes  certainly, that is a way to put it, but doesn't add enough emphasis.

it would have been much more immersive to see:

Option:  Sheppherd: That was unecessary, no harming civilians if we can avoid it.


Zaeed: And what is the alternative, wonder in the jungle for hours??

Shepherd: *SMACK THE BASTARD*, yes it is preferable, your being paid to fight not to lead. you dont harm civilians for the sake of the mission if avoidable"

Zaeed" Let these people burn , Vido dies no matter the cost"

Shepherd" we came to stop Vido, but now thanks to your brilliant actions, I have to fix you godamn mistake, now shut up and move out"


:wizard::wizard:

[Fiery Phoenix]

I'm still debating whether I should kill Samara over Morinth in my Renegade run. It just sounds like a seriously ruthless action to me. Not to mention Morinth creeps the hell out of me for some reason. lol!

[GothamLord]

FieryPhoenix7 wrote...

I'm still debating whether I should kill Samara over Morinth in my Renegade run. It just sounds like a seriously ruthless action to me. Not to mention Morinth creeps the hell out of me for some reason. lol!

But just imagine... you can sick Morinth on TIM later down the line or better yet....the Turian Councilor     

[Zulu_DFA]

GothamLord wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

If you are renegade, both Samara and Morinth want to kill you, so that isn't a factor.

Samara will kill you because your morals clash with her code.  

Morinth wants to kill you and eat you because look tasty and will make her more powerful.

I can find Morinth someone else to eat, I cant change the Justicar code.

To me killing Morinth seems the right thing to do at the moment. Even though I did Samara's loyalty AFTER the "suicide mission", which sort of means Samara is bound by her oath... Anyway, I feel I'd be able to handle Samara when she thinks it's time to turn on me...



Sam: Shepard, the time has come for me to abandon you to your wicked fate.

Shep: What?! Er... Look around! There's something behind your back!

Sam: Uh... I can't see anything...

Shep: [Renegade interrupt Saren style]

GothamLord wrote...
But just imagine... you can sick Morinth on TIM later down the line or better yet....the Turian Councilor     

[In Edward Furlong's voice]
Yess!!! Wow, my own Ardat-Yakshi!..

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 17 mai 2010 - 09:25 .

[GothamLord]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

To me killing Morinth seems the right thing to do at the moment. Even though I did Samara's loyalty AFTER the "suicide mission", which sort of means Samara is bound by her oath... Anyway, I feel I'd be able to handle Samara when she thinks it's time turn on me...
<snip>

I like leaving Morinth alive because I'm working on another theory involving Liara and Morinth being  half-sisters with both being Asari purebloods with a mysterious unnamed *father*.    Its even more screwy than my Alliance/Cerberus one but dammit I like it!

[Wildecker]

Nivenus wrote...

Why on earth would anyone in their sane mind choose a completely untrustworthy serial killer with mind control abilities over a trusworthy if ruthless justicar who will at least let you know if she thinks she's going to have to kill you?

That always puzzles me.

Samara says that if you order her to do something dishonorable she may be forced to go after you when the mission is over. That's all. I don't even recall an option to force her into torturing eyewitnesses for information or slaughthering children. And I know that she feels bound to her code.
Morinth, however, might feel tempted to betray me and stab me in the back at the very next opportunity. Only fear of my swift and merciless retribution keeps her in line, so if I ever get into a tight spot I'd better not rely on her backing me ...

Nivenus wrote...

Similarly, I never killed the colonists on Zhu's Hope, even on my renegade playthrough, because it seemed pointless given how easy it was to just knock them out. Whooo, switch my grenades to stun instead of kill, big deal.

The funny thing is: if you throw a gas grenade at a bunch of Thorian creepers at Zhu's Hope, they go down instantly. So sparing the colonists saves you a lot of creeper work, too!

And concerning Zaeed: the guy is behaving in an extremely unprofessional manner and needs to be taught a lesson who's in charge. And that's me, not his urge for revenge. Remember - Eldfell-Ashland hired Zaeed Massani to liberate their Zorya facility from the Blue Suns. They did not hire him to wreck the whole place on his rampage for Vido!

Modifié par Wildecker, 17 mai 2010 - 09:23 .

[Zulu_DFA]

GothamLord wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

To me killing Morinth seems the right thing to do at the moment. Even though I did Samara's loyalty AFTER the "suicide mission", which sort of means Samara is bound by her oath... Anyway, I feel I'd be able to handle Samara when she thinks it's time turn on me...

I like leaving Morinth alive because I'm working on another theory involving Liara and Morinth being  half-sisters with both being Asari purebloods with a mysterious unnamed *father*.    Its even more screwy than my Alliance/Cerberus one but dammit I like it!

Why unnamed? You're late, my friend! Everyone knows "his" name is Matriach Aethyta, aka The Shadow Broker!

Seriously, of all the soap opera theories about everyone being everyone else's relative/buddy I support only one: Jack is was Rahna... Which means I've got no chance to find it out, because both Jack and Kaidan are dead in my book.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 17 mai 2010 - 09:21 .

[GothamLord]

Wildecker wrote...

Samara says that if you order her to do something dishonorable she may be forced to go after you when the mission is over. That's all. I don't even recall an option to force her into torturing eyewitnesses for information or slaughthering children. And I know that she feels bound to her code.
Morinth, however, might feel tempted to betray me and stab me in the back at the very next opportunity. Only fear of my swift and merciless retribution keeps her in line, so if I ever get into a tight spot I'd better not rely on her backing me ...

Yes, Yes because we all care about Samara's personal Justicar code above our own code of ethics.  Multiple playthroughs that I have offed Samara I can justify it by my Shepard having a military & law enforcement family background (much like my own IRL)  The minute Samara so casually stated she'd kill the whole building of cops for detaining her after 24hours there were red warning sirens going off.  Yes Asari justice and LE may not be the same as humans but my Shepard sees that as a serious threat and hypocritical against her own claimed Code. 
Serial Killer vs Cop Killer....  Atleast the Serial killer is more picky about who she preys on,

[GothamLord]

Zulu_DFA wrote...


Why unnamed? You're late, my friend! Everyone knows "his" name is Matriach Aethyta, aka The Shadow Broker!

Not buying it sorry.    Not enough layers to it.    I think *he* might work for TSB though. 

Seriously, of all the soap opera theories about everyone being everyone else's relative/buddy I support only one: Jack is was Rahna... Which means I've got no chance to find it out, because both Jack and Kaidan are dead in my book.

I've had Jack in my party when I ran into Kaidan.  No reaction from either of them.  Jack isnt Rahna.  

Aria = Aleena though . 

Modifié par GothamLord, 17 mai 2010 - 09:31 .

[Wildecker]

GothamLord wrote...

Yes, Yes because we all care about Samara's personal Justicar code above our own code of ethics.  Multiple playthroughs that I have offed Samara I can justify it by my Shepard having a military & law enforcement family background (much like my own IRL)  The minute Samara so casually stated she'd kill the whole building of cops for detaining her after 24hours there were red warning sirens going off.  Yes Asari justice and LE may not be the same as humans but my Shepard sees that as a serious threat and hypocritical against her own claimed Code. 
Serial Killer vs Cop Killer....  Atleast the Serial killer is more picky about who she preys on,

If I recall that scene correctly she says that she will cooperate with local law enforcement and stay at their precinct for 24 hours - then she will leave, and if anyone tries to stop her she'll be forced to kill them.
Which is about 23 hours and 59 minutes longer than Shepard would stay calm if taken into "protective custody" for no reason other than "You're an incident just waiting to happen!"
Remember the C-Sec cop on the Citadel who threatened to "run you in" for meddling in his "investigation" of the Volus' missing credit chip?

Modifié par Wildecker, 17 mai 2010 - 09:38 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

GothamLord wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

To me killing Morinth seems the right thing to do at the moment. Even though I did Samara's loyalty AFTER the "suicide mission", which sort of means Samara is bound by her oath... Anyway, I feel I'd be able to handle Samara when she thinks it's time turn on me...

I like leaving Morinth alive because I'm working on another theory involving Liara and Morinth being  half-sisters with both being Asari purebloods with a mysterious unnamed *father*.    Its even more screwy than my Alliance/Cerberus one but dammit I like it!

Why unnamed? You're late, my friend! Everyone knows "his" name is Matriach Aethyta, aka The Shadow Broker!

Seriously, of all the soap opera theories about everyone being everyone else's relative/buddy I support only one: Jack is was Rahna... Which means I've got no chance to find it out, because both Jack and Kaidan are dead in my book.

LOL at "his" name. That's possible, though. I wouldn't say it's absolutely true, but possible. Anyone think we will ever know that for sure at some point?

[Zulu_DFA]

GothamLord wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...


Why unnamed? You're late, my friend! Everyone knows "his" name is Matriach Aethyta, aka The Shadow Broker!

Not buying it sorry.    Not enough layers to it.    I think *he* might work for TSB though.

Was joking.

GothamLord wrote...

Seriously, of all the soap opera theories about everyone being everyone else's relative/buddy I support only one: Jack is was Rahna... Which means I've got no chance to find it out, because both Jack and Kaidan are dead in my book.

I've had Jack in my party when I ran into Kaidan.  No reaction from either of them.  Jack isnt Rahna.  

It's like twenty years since they last met...

Aria = Aleena though . 

Yes. But it's not a theory. It's a fact.

[GothamLord]

Wildecker wrote...

GothamLord wrote...

Yes, Yes because we all care about Samara's personal Justicar code above our own code of ethics.  Multiple playthroughs that I have offed Samara I can justify it by my Shepard having a military & law enforcement family background (much like my own IRL)  The minute Samara so casually stated she'd kill the whole building of cops for detaining her after 24hours there were red warning sirens going off.  Yes Asari justice and LE may not be the same as humans but my Shepard sees that as a serious threat and hypocritical against her own claimed Code. 
Serial Killer vs Cop Killer....  Atleast the Serial killer is more picky about who she preys on,

If I recall that scene correctly she says that she will cooperate with local law enforcement and stay at their precinct for 24 hours - then she will leave, and if anyone tries to stop her she'll be forced to kill them.
Which is about 23 hours and 59 minutes longer than Shepard would stay calm if taken into "protective custody" for no reason other than "You're an incident just waiting to happen!"
Remember the C-Sec cop on the Citadel who threatened to "run you in" for meddling in his "investigation" of the Volus' missing credit chip?

Shes being detained during a murder investigation.  If the police have you detained you cant just decide that its gone past the level of time you're willing to wait and leave. By even allowing them to take her into custody shes setting it up for that situation. Nevermind she said said shed kill them.  Not hurt them.  Not injure them.  Not even be prone to violence.  Straight up kill cops.  

Theft Report =/= Murder Investigation

Modifié par GothamLord, 17 mai 2010 - 10:06 .

[Zulu_DFA]

GothamLord wrote...

Wildecker wrote...

GothamLord wrote...

Yes, Yes because we all care about Samara's personal Justicar code above our own code of ethics.  Multiple playthroughs that I have offed Samara I can justify it by my Shepard having a military & law enforcement family background (much like my own IRL)  The minute Samara so casually stated she'd kill the whole building of cops for detaining her after 24hours there were red warning sirens going off.  Yes Asari justice and LE may not be the same as humans but my Shepard sees that as a serious threat and hypocritical against her own claimed Code. 
Serial Killer vs Cop Killer....  Atleast the Serial killer is more picky about who she preys on,

If I recall that scene correctly she says that she will cooperate with local law enforcement and stay at their precinct for 24 hours - then she will leave, and if anyone tries to stop her she'll be forced to kill them.
Which is about 23 hours and 59 minutes longer than Shepard would stay calm if taken into "protective custody" for no reason other than "You're an incident just waiting to happen!"
Remember the C-Sec cop on the Citadel who threatened to "run you in" for meddling in his "investigation" of the Volus' missing credit chip?

Shes being detained during a murder investigation.  If the police have you detained you cant just decide that its gone past the level of time you're willing to wait and leave. By even allowing them to take her into custody shes setting it up for that situation. Nevermind she said said shed kill them.  Not hurt them.  Not injure them.  Not even be prone to violence.  Straight up kill cops.  

Theft Report =/= Murder Investigation

Samara is not your ordianry civilian.
Can a state police officer detain an FBI agent, or a even a soldier any longer then their affiliation is established?

Also the Nos Astra cop's superiors order her to detain Samara to prevent disturbance, not to serve justice.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 17 mai 2010 - 10:21 .

[Wildecker]

GothamLord wrote...

Shes being detained during a murder investigation.  If the police have you detained you cant just decide that its gone past the level of time you're willing to wait and leave. By even allowing them to take her into custody shes setting it up for that situation. Nevermind she said said shed kill them.  Not hurt them.  Not injure them.  Not even be prone to violence.  Straight up kill cops.  

Theft Report =/= Murder Investigation

Hey, she's detained without ever being accused or even suspected of killing Dakni Kur?

Yeah, sounds like solid justice. Round up all innocents and arrest who's left?

They're keeping her at the precinct so she doesn't kill by accident anyone who might later turn out to be a witness or a suspect to the killing.
And sure enough, if you're playing Renegade you will waste the Eclipse girl who really shot the Volus ... and several truck loads of other Eclipse mercs with her. "Case closed"?

[GothamLord]

Zulu_DFA wrote...


It's like twenty years since they last met...

Isnt Kaidan's name used in the scene?   Wouldnt Jack remember the name?  Maybe?

Modifié par GothamLord, 17 mai 2010 - 10:22 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Wildecker wrote...

And sure enough, if you're playing Renegade you will waste the Eclipse girl who really shot the Volus ... and several truck loads of other Eclipse mercs with her. "Case closed"?

More interesting is the choice about Pitne For: would the Renegade accept the bribe and alow him to get away, or turn him in to the Police?

[Zulu_DFA]

GothamLord wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...


It's like twenty years since they last met...

Isnt Kaidan's name used in the scene?   Wouldnt Jack remember the name?  Maybe?

She'd been traumatized during BAaT, she'd been traumatized at Teltin. On the daily basis. She'd been traumatized during her criminal adventures. And she spent who knows how many years in suspended animation on the Purgatory. It's obvious she does not even remember her own real name.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 17 mai 2010 - 10:33 .

[GothamLord]

Wildecker wrote...

Hey, she's detained without ever being accused or even suspected of killing Dakni Kur?

Yeah, sounds like solid justice. Round up all innocents and arrest who's left?

They're keeping her at the precinct so she doesn't kill by accident anyone who might later turn out to be a witness or a suspect to the killing.
And sure enough, if you're playing Renegade you will waste the Eclipse girl who really shot the Volus ... and several truck loads of other Eclipse mercs with her. "Case closed"?

She also crushed the throat of a unarmed merc after she hurled her across the room rather than hand her over to the police.  I'd lock Samara up too before she killed every possible lead I had. Dakni Kur's murder however is meaningless to Samara as it falls below her quest to find her serial killer daughter. I guess The Asari Jusicar Code has a blurb somewhere that allows justice for one person to be put on hold or totally ignored when you have personal issues involving another case.

[GothamLord]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

GothamLord wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...


It's like twenty years since they last met...

Isnt Kaidan's name used in the scene?   Wouldnt Jack remember the name?  Maybe?

She'd been traumatized during BAaT, she'd been traumatized at Teltin. On the daily basis. She'd been traumatized during her criminal adventures. And she spent who knows how many years in suspended animation on the Purgatory. It's obvious she does not even remember her own real name.

Fair enough.   Still dont buy the Aethyta idea though.