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[Remy LeBeau]

Do you think the Chantry is stupid enough to march against Grey Wardens? I think it's only a matter of time.
 
The reason I ask is because Anders said what's to stop the Templars from calling the Mages in the Grey Wardens maleficar.They did go to a lot of trouble to, try and catch Anders.I say try because I killed the Templars. I just wanted to get other's opinion on the subject.

Modifié par Remy LeBeau, 18 mai 2010 - 10:07 .

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

i dont think the chantry would try to battle the grey wardens just for having a few apostates in there ranks. Rylock (the templar that hunted anders) was kind of like a lose cannon templar it was more of a personal indevor then a chantry one.

[ObserverStatus]

Probably, if it came to that, the Divine would call a divine march and all Andrastan countries would be obliged to join in. So, for the Grey Wardens it would be adios muchachos.  If the Chantry decided to destroy them completely but still be safe, they could extract the information on how to create Wardens, and than assimilate the group into itself.

Modifié par bobobo878, 17 mai 2010 - 06:00 .

[Remy LeBeau]

OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...

i dont think the chantry would try to battle the grey wardens just for having a few apostates in there ranks. Rylock (the templar that hunted anders) was kind of like a lose cannon templar it was more of a personal indevor then a chantry one.

Did you kill the Templers? I did, and on top of that. I'm a mage.

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

Oh heck ya i did, i hate templars and the chantry.

[Remy LeBeau]

bobobo878 wrote...

Probably, if it came to that, the Divine would call a divine march and all Andrastan countries would be obliged to join in. So, for the Grey Wardens it would be adios muchachos.  If the Chantry decided to destroy them completely but still be safe, they could extract the information on how to create Wardens, and than assimilate the group into itself.

I think the Chantry is stupid imo. Hmmm. You know, they could create there on Wadens.

[Xandurpein]

Remy LeBeau wrote...

OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...

i dont think the chantry would try to battle the grey wardens just for having a few apostates in there ranks. Rylock (the templar that hunted anders) was kind of like a lose cannon templar it was more of a personal indevor then a chantry one.

Did you kill the Templers? I did, and on top of that. I'm a mage.

Even if you are the Hero of Fereldan who stopped the blight, you are just one person in a large puzzle. If the Chantry had problems with your actions I'm sure they would start by sending an emissary to Weisshaupt to avoid turning anything thet decide to do against you into a major confrontation with all Grey Wardens. If you become too much of a "loose cannon" then Weisshaupt probably won't interfere.

[ObserverStatus]

If the chantry asssimilated the Wardens into itself, they could regulate who is allowed to join and use them as a special forces unit between blights.

[Remy LeBeau]

OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...

Oh heck ya i did, i hate templars and the chantry.

I hate them to. I think they need to be taken down, The hard way. They're nothing but drug dealers getting Templers hooked on lyrium.

[ObserverStatus]

That may be a difficult task, if you declared war on them they could enlist the aid of Orlais, Felerlden, and any other nation that follows them. If any sovereign ruler resists, the Chantry could incite the faithful to revolt and coronate a more "helpful" monarch.

Modifié par bobobo878, 17 mai 2010 - 06:14 .

[Remy LeBeau]

bobobo878 wrote...

If the chantry asssimilated the Wardens into itself, they could regulate who is allowed to join and use them as a special forces unit between blights.

But will they do whatever it takes? I don't think they have the guts.

[ObserverStatus]

They had the guts to destroy the Dales. They were probably a much stronger adversary than a few wardens.  Whether or not it was just to destroy the Dales, the Chantry certainly demonstrated it's power.

Modifié par bobobo878, 17 mai 2010 - 06:15 .

[Remy LeBeau]

bobobo878 wrote...

That may be a difficult task, if you declared war on them they could enlist the aid of Orlais, Felerlden, and any other nation that follows them. If any sovereign ruler resists, the Chantry could incite the faithful to revolt and coronate a more "helpful" monarch.

You see it's going to happen, but from with in. I think the reason why the mother didn't want Alistair the go, is not because he will make a good templer, but for the fact he knows to much imo.

[Remy LeBeau]

bobobo878 wrote...

They had the guts to destroy the Dales. They were probably a much stronger adversary than a few wardens.  Whether or not it was just to destroy the Dales, the Chantry certainly demonstrated it's power.

They say it was because the Dalish didn't help fight the blight. They also say the Dalish was murdering people in a village by the Dales.

[Sarah1281]

There's no way the Chantry would be that stupid. If they went after you, maybe. If they went after the GW themselves? The Anderfels is practically ruled by them, Antiva's got enough problems, Orlais greatly respects their Wardens...it's like with the crusades. They can call for aid but that doesn't mean they're getting it. And there's no way in hell Ferelden will help the Chantry move against the GW anytime soon. The GW saved them against all odds and the Chantry is still on notice for siding with Orlias during the rebellion.

[Remy LeBeau]

I think the Wardens will gain allies from the Dalish, the Circle of Magi, the Dwarves.



The Wardens kill Darkspawn's and Archdemons for a living. They will be real stupid if they tried. I'm not saying the Wardens are invincible. But they should think twice.

[Remy LeBeau]

Sarah1281 wrote...

There's no way the Chantry would be that stupid. If they went after you, maybe. If they went after the GW themselves? The Anderfels is practically ruled by them, Antiva's got enough problems, Orlais greatly respects their Wardens...it's like with the crusades. They can call for aid but that doesn't mean they're getting it. And there's no way in hell Ferelden will help the Chantry move against the GW anytime soon. The GW saved them against all odds and the Chantry is still on notice for siding with Orlias during the rebellion.

Hmmm. You're right,.I don't think people will be to fast to come to there aid. They are on thin ice huh?

[ObserverStatus]

The Chantry may not have the support it needs now, but they may have centuries until the next blight. Thedas's history shows that it will only take a few generation for the people to forget their gratitude to the wardens.  The Chantry may not crack down on the Wardens' decadence within the lifetime of any of our characters, but they may later.

Modifié par bobobo878, 17 mai 2010 - 06:54 .

[Remy LeBeau]

Xandurpein wrote...

Remy LeBeau wrote...

OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...

i dont think the chantry would try to battle the grey wardens just for having a few apostates in there ranks. Rylock (the templar that hunted anders) was kind of like a lose cannon templar it was more of a personal indevor then a chantry one.

Did you kill the Templers? I did, and on top of that. I'm a mage.

Even if you are the Hero of Fereldan who stopped the blight, you are just one person in a large puzzle. If the Chantry had problems with your actions I'm sure they would start by sending an emissary to Weisshaupt to avoid turning anything thet decide to do against you into a major confrontation with all Grey Wardens. If you become too much of a "loose cannon" then Weisshaupt probably won't interfere.

I would not move against them for no reason. But I will because of them sticking there nose in Grey Warden business.

[krasnoarmeets]

How the hell would the chantry call for a divine march against the entire Anderfels? The only way they would be able to find out how to create Grey Wardens is from Grey Wardens. I don't think it will be centuries until the next blight and the chantry would have a hard time convincing the folk of Fereldan that their hero who stopped the blight is a bad person. People also might wish to ask, where the chantry was during the recent blight? How come they didn't help fight it?

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

krasnoarmeets wrote...

The only way they would be able to find out how to create Grey Wardens is from Grey Wardens.

Not true. The first Grey Wardens had to figure it out somehow.

People also might wish to ask, where the chantry was during the recent blight? How come they didn't help fight it?

They probably did. Just because you didn't see Templars fighting in Denerim doesn't mean they weren't involved. Why wouldn't they? They were doing their best to evacuate Lothering.

[VampireCommando]

I dont think so,i mean anders is certainly not the first or last apostate in the grey wardens, and the grey wardens and chantry have been around for hundreds of years each, so if it didnt happen when the grey wardens was first formed -when tensions are high and things are unkown- i very much doubt it would happen in the future, simply because the chantry knows the polictcal implications of this and they also know that the apostates arent summoning demons and going on killing sprees in the grey wardens they know that for once the apostates are using there powers for the greater good.



Also this would not be a simple exalted march like it was in the dales, for one almost every human back then didnt like elves so there was almost no opposition to the desion, however most folks concider the Grey Wardens to be heros so there would be massive opposition from everywhere, not to mention that the Grey Wardens are a small nation of highly elite soldiers mages and rogues, i mean yeah sure felerden doesnt have any, but other countries have close to a thousand in each and in the anderfels they pritty much run the country.



So in short, no i dont thihk the chantry will ever be that stupid.

[Lintanis]

 If The Warden helped Brother Burkel near the Tapster's and convinced the Shaper to grant him the right to preach his sermons to others, he will end up converting quite a few souls to the Chantry. The majority of the rigid dwarven populace will not react well to this, and Burkel is killed while resisting arrest. With his death, the Chantry itself will then consider leading an Exalted March on the dwarves to avenge this perceived slight upon their religion. It is unknown if they ever do go through with this, however, as it is only suggested during the ending credits.


They have ideas of going after the dwarfs, wouldnt put much past them 

[Ash Wind]

I would say probably not.



With Duncan's history of recruitment, you could easily surmise he probably recruited apostates and even blood mages. He tells Ali before the PC's joining that "Chantry business is not ours (paraphrased)."



It would have been interesting to have found a codex giving the Chantry's view on Duncan and the Grey Wardens.

[spottyblanket]

The mages who were aposates and become grey wardens are no longer aspotates though. They simply don't work for the circle, but for the wardens. They just switched bosses. :|