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[maxernst]

I don't think the chantry is stupid and I doubt the people at the top of the hierarchy are religious fanatics. Unless apostate mages start joining the Grey Wardens in force, I can't see that they really pose much of a threat to the Chantry's interests, so I doubt the Chantry would move against them.

[Remy LeBeau]

jenncgf wrote...

Rylock needed an adjustment to her lyrium dosage. Just sayin'. But yeah, if you look at all the signs there's definitely unrest where the Chantry is concerned. I could totally see a major storyline/installment of the series being based on backlash against Chantry rule.

I just hope in the future we can free the mages from the circle.If and, when they do march, it's going to be a bloody war.

[Remy LeBeau]

Swoo wrote...

No I don't think they are, at this current time.

Live or Die, the Grey Wardens are right now at a peak of popularity and potential political power (say that quickly) with commoners, foreign relations, and nobles alike. The Anderfels ARE the Wardens. Orlais seems to be quite fond of them having such a major force in contigency, and also having provided safe haven multiple times, so even with the Chantry based out of there I would figure there would be major resistance to the idea - and don't forget, Orlesian's LOVE the bandit-heroes, especially the ones that fight against Orlais. Antiva's Merchant Kings probably don't give a damn as long as the coin flows. Ferelden boys and girls probably play Wardens vs Darkspawn now instead of Bandit Queen games. The popularity just seems to much to move against without something drastic popping up that all could rally against, like a Dryden-esque coup attempt.

Add to the fact that as long as the Chantry is thinking it through, the Warden's are one of the worst factions around to pick a fight with. They won't give up, they won't quit, they are highly trained, motivated, fearless (the whole, I'm dead anyway probably doesn't leave much to nerves in battlefields), and they have many friends that the Chantry can't touch. The Dwarves probably wouldn't march to war against the Chantry unless you played as a Dwarf Warden - I'm sure a Paragon could get a force to fight for him, but they would damn sure allow safe harbor for the only surfacers with a bit of stone-sense and tell the Chant to step up or step off when their 'little march' got to the doors. The Dalish wouldn't pitch any battles in the Wardens name, but would surely allow them safe harbor and spots in a arafel to slip through the cracks of the roadways with. And like I said, pretty much every nation would offer them some kind of assistance, even if it's not in the light of day. The Teventir's would probably embrace them out of spite.

I think the Dalish will want to fight in the battle. The chantry dose'nt like the Dalish Keepers. Beside the blights, the chantry has caused a lot of destruction for hundreds of years.

[Remy LeBeau]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Tevinter would probably see it as an opportunity to ally the Wardens and drive into Orlais with their armies. The Anderfels is a strong country in it's own right, and remember that Fereldan either has a Grey Warden King or a Queen grateful to the Wardens, or both.

Orlais would get ****ed beyond measure if they supported the Chantry.

You know, you are right. I didn't think about that. I didn't make myself king, but I did put Alistair on the throne.

[Swoo]

Remy LeBeau wrote...

I think the Dalish will want to fight in the battle. The chantry dose'nt like the Dalish Keepers. Beside the blights, the chantry has caused a lot of destruction for hundreds of years.

The Dalish are cowards. Sorry any Dalish fans, but I found myself more impressed with the City Elves tenfold over compared to the Dalish Origin and Brecillian Forest quests.

The Dalish would talk of fighting, and maybe even pick on stragglers, but a straight up war with the Chantry? They'd book it to some other remote forest to stew and be bitter.

[Remy LeBeau]

Swoo wrote...

Remy LeBeau wrote...

I think the Dalish will want to fight in the battle. The chantry dose'nt like the Dalish Keepers. Beside the blights, the chantry has caused a lot of destruction for hundreds of years.

The Dalish are cowards. Sorry any Dalish fans, but I found myself more impressed with the City Elves tenfold over compared to the Dalish Origin and Brecillian Forest quests.

The Dalish would talk of fighting, and maybe even pick on stragglers, but a straight up war with the Chantry? They'd book it to some other remote forest to stew and be bitter.

You really think they're cowards? The battle would be the best time to get the chantry of there backs.

Modifié par Remy LeBeau, 18 mai 2010 - 02:44 .

[Raiil]

I doubt they'd move against the Anderfels. IIRC Anderfelsians are fairly devout Andrastians.





I could see the Chantry trying to negotiate with the Wardens to keep out apostates and bring the mages within the Wardens to heel, possibly by always having a few Templars (who are better at being Templars than, say, Alistair) in the army to accompany them. How well that would work, however, varies. I don't see it flying in Ferelden, simply because the Hero of Ferelden is, well, the Hero and beloved by most. It would be doubly difficult if the Warden is anyone besides the human noble, since they belong to a group that stands against (or at least opposite) of the chantry and is a natural rallying point. And if the Human Noble doesn't particularly give two ****s about the chantry or religion in general (or if they've been heavily influenced by Morrigan) then they lose that ace in their sleeve as well.





I would like to see the Chantry try to take the Hero of Ferelden to task. In my ~canon~ my Amell slaughtered Rylock after she picked that fight with Anders.

[Swoo]

Remy LeBeau wrote...

You really think they're cowards? The battle would be the best time to get the chantry of there backs.

Absolutely do. I believe it's Sten who mocks them for having such a sound battle plan of 'Let's run away'.

I think if they can hide in the middle of a massed, merged army, they'd fight. But then we aren't talking a Grey Warden Purge but an all out religious war. In a purge where the Wardens are forced to scatter, hide, fight when they can, flee when they can't, the Dalish couldn't be expected to be a reliable force to count upon, more as a temporary reprieve from whatevers hounding the Wardens.

Trust me, I really wanted to like the Dalish, but they just fall short of what was presented before game. Any sort of small scale skirmish where they have numerical superiority or the like, sure, they'd fight. A Exalted March? You'll see those little sails above the tree-tops hauling **** the other way. And they'll be complaining the whole way.

[Maria13]

Swoo wrote...

Remy LeBeau wrote...

You really think they're cowards? The battle would be the best time to get the chantry of there backs.

Absolutely do. I believe it's Sten who mocks them for having such a sound battle plan of 'Let's run away'.

I think if they can hide in the middle of a massed, merged army, they'd fight. But then we aren't talking a Grey Warden Purge but an all out religious war. In a purge where the Wardens are forced to scatter, hide, fight when they can, flee when they can't, the Dalish couldn't be expected to be a reliable force to count upon, more as a temporary reprieve from whatevers hounding the Wardens.

Trust me, I really wanted to like the Dalish, but they just fall short of what was presented before game. Any sort of small scale skirmish where they have numerical superiority or the like, sure, they'd fight. A Exalted March? You'll see those little sails above the tree-tops hauling **** the other way. And they'll be complaining the whole way.

I see the Dalish more as skirmishers, retreating but waging a guerilla war using the terrain to their advantage since they lack significant numbers...

[Xandurpein]

Remy LeBeau wrote...

Swoo wrote...

Remy LeBeau wrote...

I think the Dalish will want to fight in the battle. The chantry dose'nt like the Dalish Keepers. Beside the blights, the chantry has caused a lot of destruction for hundreds of years.

The Dalish are cowards. Sorry any Dalish fans, but I found myself more impressed with the City Elves tenfold over compared to the Dalish Origin and Brecillian Forest quests.

The Dalish would talk of fighting, and maybe even pick on stragglers, but a straight up war with the Chantry? They'd book it to some other remote forest to stew and be bitter.

You really think they're cowards? The battle would be the best time to get the chantry of there backs.

Whenever you talk to any Dalish elf in the game, they don't express any particular loathing for the chantry. They blame the humans, not the chantry. Why would the Dalish help one group of humans against another group? They would probably just sit on the sidelines, cheering, and hope that as many humans as possible get slaughtered.

[Remy LeBeau]

Maria13 wrote...

Swoo wrote...

Remy LeBeau wrote...

You really think they're cowards? The battle would be the best time to get the chantry of there backs.

Absolutely do. I believe it's Sten who mocks them for having such a sound battle plan of 'Let's run away'.

I think if they can hide in the middle of a massed, merged army, they'd fight. But then we aren't talking a Grey Warden Purge but an all out religious war. In a purge where the Wardens are forced to scatter, hide, fight when they can, flee when they can't, the Dalish couldn't be expected to be a reliable force to count upon, more as a temporary reprieve from whatevers hounding the Wardens.

Trust me, I really wanted to like the Dalish, but they just fall short of what was presented before game. Any sort of small scale skirmish where they have numerical superiority or the like, sure, they'd fight. A Exalted March? You'll see those little sails above the tree-tops hauling **** the other way. And they'll be complaining the whole way.

I see the Dalish more as skirmishers, retreating but waging a guerilla war using the terrain to their advantage since they lack significant numbers...

That's the way I see them.

[Remy LeBeau]

Xandurpein wrote...

Remy LeBeau wrote...

Swoo wrote...

Remy LeBeau wrote...

I think the Dalish will want to fight in the battle. The chantry dose'nt like the Dalish Keepers. Beside the blights, the chantry has caused a lot of destruction for hundreds of years.

The Dalish are cowards. Sorry any Dalish fans, but I found myself more impressed with the City Elves tenfold over compared to the Dalish Origin and Brecillian Forest quests.

The Dalish would talk of fighting, and maybe even pick on stragglers, but a straight up war with the Chantry? They'd book it to some other remote forest to stew and be bitter.

You really think they're cowards? The battle would be the best time to get the chantry of there backs.

Whenever you talk to any Dalish elf in the game, they don't express any particular loathing for the chantry. They blame the humans, not the chantry. Why would the Dalish help one group of humans against another group? They would probably just sit on the sidelines, cheering, and hope that as many humans as possible get slaughtered.

The Templars hunt for the Keepers to. You do know that, right? There will be Dalish Elves in the Grey Wardens to, not just city Elves. And as Commander, I will see to there being Dalish Wardens. The Grey Wardens are all equals.

Modifié par Remy LeBeau, 18 mai 2010 - 09:57 .

[odiedragon]

Over a handful of apostates? Probably not.



If they were ever to catch wind of *how* one becomes a GW, however... they may take issue with that. If they named it blood magic, they could (in theory) proclaim ALL GW's to be malificarium. They tend to see red (ha ha) when there's blood magic involved...



That could be one of the many reasons they try to keep the Joining secret (and just because Anora knows that the Joining can be fatal doesn't mean she knows what's involved. I could see the death thing being kind of a known secret, but the darkspawn blood part? That'd be easier to keep under wraps I think)

[Carmen_Willow]

Maria13 wrote...

Swoo wrote...

Remy LeBeau wrote...

You really think they're cowards? The battle would be the best time to get the chantry of there backs.

Absolutely do. I believe it's Sten who mocks them for having such a sound battle plan of 'Let's run away'.

I think if they can hide in the middle of a massed, merged army, they'd fight. But then we aren't talking a Grey Warden Purge but an all out religious war. In a purge where the Wardens are forced to scatter, hide, fight when they can, flee when they can't, the Dalish couldn't be expected to be a reliable force to count upon, more as a temporary reprieve from whatevers hounding the Wardens.

Trust me, I really wanted to like the Dalish, but they just fall short of what was presented before game. Any sort of small scale skirmish where they have numerical superiority or the like, sure, they'd fight. A Exalted March? You'll see those little sails above the tree-tops hauling **** the other way. And they'll be complaining the whole way.

I see the Dalish more as skirmishers, retreating but waging a guerilla war using the terrain to their advantage since they lack significant numbers...

Exactly as the Spanish were in the Penninsular War.  Didn't do so well as a regular Army, but they kicked French butt as guerrillas...they were Wellington's secret weapon during that war.  They destroyed French communications. Wellington knew just about every battle plan the French had in the latter days of that war, while the French knew nothing of what he was up to.  And that was due to the Spanish insurgents/irregulars/guerrillas.

[Swoo]

So what you all are saying is if the Chantry called an Exalted March and the Dalish stood alone, you'd honestly expect them to stand and fight?



I don't see it at all.

[Sarah1281]

Swoo wrote...

So what you all are saying is if the Chantry called an Exalted March and the Dalish stood alone, you'd honestly expect them to stand and fight?

I don't see it at all.

You mean if they called an Exalted March on the Dalish? I think they'd have to as they would burn down the woods and hunt them down so fleeing wouldn't be an option anymore. Now they just have to deal with humans gettng pissy when they're nearby and trying to keep them away from their land because they're scared of the 'savages.'

[Remy LeBeau]

Valentia X wrote...

I doubt they'd move against the Anderfels. IIRC Anderfelsians are fairly devout Andrastians.


I could see the Chantry trying to negotiate with the Wardens to keep out apostates and bring the mages within the Wardens to heel, possibly by always having a few Templars (who are better at being Templars than, say, Alistair) in the army to accompany them. How well that would work, however, varies. I don't see it flying in Ferelden, simply because the Hero of Ferelden is, well, the Hero and beloved by most. It would be doubly difficult if the Warden is anyone besides the human noble, since they belong to a group that stands against (or at least opposite) of the chantry and is a natural rallying point. And if the Human Noble doesn't particularly give two ****s about the chantry or religion in general (or if they've been heavily influenced by Morrigan) then they lose that ace in their sleeve as well.


I would like to see the Chantry try to take the Hero of Ferelden to task. In my ~canon~ my Amell slaughtered Rylock after she picked that fight with Anders.

If they want a war, I'm going to give it to them. After stoping the blight, and stoping the Mother and the Achitect. My Arcane Warrior will have no problems taking on the Chantry. I consider the Darkspawn more dangerous then the Chantry, because the Ds is relentless.