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Christina Norman wrote...

You're suggesting an alternative solution, one where glitched characters are fixed on import into ME3 and points can then be redistributed after import. That is a fine solution.

At this point though we're out of the zone of leaving a glitch alone, we're talking about building developing and testing an import process to make it glitch proof. There are two problems with this:

First this process is much more expensive than fixing the glitch. While the actual fix you describe would be relatively easy to do, and it's probably the approach I'd take if I was going to try and make the import process handle glitched characters, properly developing and testing this process is quite difficult. Testing character import is one of the most arduous tasks for our QA, and anything that complicates it is bad news.

More importantly, we're now in the zone of building features and improvements to support glitching which is very
different than leaving a glitch alone (not fixing it). Philosophically, that's just not where we want to go. We will often leave glitches alone, warning players that it could interfere with their ability to enjoy the game, and let players then glitch if they want to at their own risk. Once a glitch gets into the zone of potentially negatively impacting players who don't want to glitch, possibly preventing them from playing and enjoying Mass Effect 2 or 3, that's when we will consider fixing it even though we realize some players would prefer we leave the glitch there.

I hope this helps you guys understand our decision making process!


So Christina.....what about the glitch is it that the transfer can't handle? Is it the fact that the abilities are all learned and maxed(which it shouldn't because a lot of people will have 7 learned powers at different levels).....or is it the fact that there are unspent squad points(which it shouldn't because it's really hard not to end up having one or two unspent points)?

The way I see it you'd have to go out of your way to program a save reader that does anything other than just read and import whatever powers and points are there.....and a lot of people will have 7 learned powers at different stages to import.

So what about this glitch EXACTLY causes problems because the way I see it you're just plying on the fears of the gullible and I don't appreciate it when developers try to take us for idiots....like the many, many time Chris was insisting on having us believe false things(Legion not a party member, Lorik Quin glitch causing problems.....etc. etc. etc.) and another dev making the comment "Who's Kasumi?" not long before the actual announcement.


Ok, why is it that you're going this far just because you want to cheat? That you're complaining to the people that made the game and saying they're full of ****, just because of they removed a glitch? Seriously, you're fighting to get a cheat back. If it means that much to you, buy a Game Shark for christ sakes.

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The incinuation that BioWare assumes its fans are idiots is ludicrous and offensive. Kindly STFU and GTFO.

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Ooooo. THis is so good. Should get pop corns.

Nobody needs to get pissed. THose of us, with vague (Me) or alot of knowledge regarding coding, knows the code doesn't care about expansions or imports of any kinds as lnogas the code has been reverted back to its normal form.

Bioware needs money and instead of rallying its core, it goes to a big company. THey want to make money of gullible stubborn people let em I dont mind....for now :P.

Besides this is AWESOME. Jacob is one of my favorite characters. I switched every shot/pistol character with. Shotgun/avenger assault rifle. And while isweakest rifle. THis has made insanity amazing.....god I love it now. It is so hard still... but so awesome.

Nothing more excilirating than finishing the collector ship with Legion and grunt with both having revenants.....sigh so so good.

Oh and yes I have legion since the beginning, he has some really funny comments I never even knew of lol...

Never knew tali shoots legion if I bring him to her recruitment mission

Modifié par Spartas Husky, 21 mai 2010 - 08:08 .


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Spartas Husky wrote...

Ooooo. THis is so good. Should get pop corns.

Nobody needs to get pissed. THose of us, with vague (Me) or alot of knowledge regarding coding, knows the code doesn't care about expansions or imports of any kinds as lnogas the code has been reverted back to its normal form.

Bioware needs money and instead of rallying its core, it goes to a big company. THey want to make money of gullible stubborn people let em I dont mind....for now :P.

Besides this is AWESOME. Jacob is one of my favorite characters. I switched every shot/pistol character with. Shotgun/avenger assault rifle. And while isweakest rifle. THis has made insanity amazing.....god I love it now. It is so hard still... but so awesome.

Nothing more excilirating than finishing the collector ship with Legion and grunt with both having revenants.....sigh so so good.

Oh and yes I have legion since the beginning, he has some really funny comments I never even knew of lol...

Never knew tali shoots legion if I bring him to her recruitment mission

Really?
Anyway, you're rambling. Just face it, you suck, and shut up. I don't care that you need max points and every squadmate with a revenant to play Insanity.

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Ok, why is it that you're going this far just because you want to cheat? That you're complaining to the people that made the game and saying they're full of ****, just because of they removed a glitch? Seriously, you're fighting to get a cheat back. If it means that much to you, buy a Game Shark for christ sakes.


You completely fail to understand my reason for arguing. I couldn't care less that they patched or if they ever put it back.....I have been and will continue to mod my saves for a lot more than a handful of petty squad points. The point is that the explanation given for the patch is insultingly stupid and we're most likely being lied to......like BioWare has dome MANY times in the past.....I've been on the Bioware forums(these and the old ones) for nearly three years now and I've seen Chris Priestly and other devs make arguments just like that in petty attempts to have us believe things that turned out to be completely false........shepard being dead, Lorik Quinn glitch causing problems, Legion not being a squad member.......and A LOT more. Assuming that something is true because a developer or BioWare employee said it is a very stupid thing to do.

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Darth_Trethon wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Ok, why is it that you're going this far just because you want to cheat? That you're complaining to the people that made the game and saying they're full of ****, just because of they removed a glitch? Seriously, you're fighting to get a cheat back. If it means that much to you, buy a Game Shark for christ sakes.


You completely fail to understand my reason for arguing. I couldn't care less that they patched or if they ever put it back.....I have been and will continue to mod my saves for a lot more than a handful of petty squad points. The point is that the explanation given for the patch is insultingly stupid and we're most likely being lied to......like BioWare has dome MANY times in the past.....I've been on the Bioware forums(these and the old ones) for nearly three years now and I've seen Chris Priestly and other devs make arguments just like that in petty attempts to have us believe things that turned out to be completely false........shepard being dead, Lorik Quinn glitch causing problems, Legion not being a squad member.......and A LOT more. Assuming that something is true because a developer or BioWare employee said it is a very stupid thing to do.


If they're lying, then so what? That's PR for ya. Sony says no price drop, and then 2 days later, they do a price drop. And if they're telling the truth, then you're arguing over nothing. Either way, there are better things to fight for.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 21 mai 2010 - 08:38 .


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(double post, Sorry)

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darknoon5 wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

Ooooo. THis is so good. Should get pop corns.

Nobody needs to get pissed. THose of us, with vague (Me) or alot of knowledge regarding coding, knows the code doesn't care about expansions or imports of any kinds as lnogas the code has been reverted back to its normal form.

Bioware needs money and instead of rallying its core, it goes to a big company. THey want to make money of gullible stubborn people let em I dont mind....for now :P.

Besides this is AWESOME. Jacob is one of my favorite characters. I switched every shot/pistol character with. Shotgun/avenger assault rifle. And while isweakest rifle. THis has made insanity amazing.....god I love it now. It is so hard still... but so awesome.

Nothing more excilirating than finishing the collector ship with Legion and grunt with both having revenants.....sigh so so good.

Oh and yes I have legion since the beginning, he has some really funny comments I never even knew of lol...

Never knew tali shoots legion if I bring him to her recruitment mission

Really?
Anyway, you're rambling. Just face it, you suck, and shut up. I don't care that you need max points and every squadmate with a revenant to play Insanity.


At this, point, I dont care what you type lol.

I got my backups copies, my modded copies. Matter of fact is...I am enjoying the game in ways you wont.

I passed the game without glitches... but since I got all my achievements the right way, now ima go nuts.

When ME3 comes out, I'll just use my backups which have
been nicely preservrved and beaten without any glitches or mods.

When something extra comes along, like lv raising, extra squad points. And they charge you 5 bucks for it. I will be nicely in front of my xbox already enjoying for free....what you will enjoy for 5 bucks ;P

But for the record why not indulge you:

Jacob has : Katana/ Avenger m8
Pull field
ammo 0
passive hp
heavy barrier
Miranda: Shuriken/ Mantis
area overload
unstable warp
passive hp for team
slam...0

Garrus: Revenant/ Viper
Concussive: 0
Area overload
Passive: hp
Tugsten
Mordin: Shuriken/Mantis
Area incinirate
Cryo 0
Passive shields
neuro shockwave

Jack: Eviscarator/ predator pistol
shockwave area
pull field
passive recharge
Warp ammo 0
Grunt: scimitar/ Revenant
concussive 0
Inferno ammo
Passive pureblood
heavy fort

Tali: Katana/ Avenger
drone 0
AI heavy
passive power duration
drain area
Legion: Geth pulse/ Widow
AI heavy
drone 0
passive, hp
GSB heavy

Samara: vindicator/ viper
throw 0
Pull field
Passive hp
area reave
Thane: Widow/predator Pistol
throw blast
warp unstable
passive weapon dmg
ammo....0 lol

Zaeed: Revenant/ Mantis
Consussive blast
disruptor 0
passive weapn dmg
heavy frag
Kasumi: SMG: hand cannon
rapid strike
area overload
passive recharge
flash 0

So good.....so diverse.....so MY choice.....and so challening.....words cannot express how I feel....

If your happy with your game. GOod enjoy it. Like I said before. You'll enjoy an "official" cheat to redistribution of points, or add of more, for 5-10 bucks. I'll be enjoying an "unofficial" cheat of.....well....lol who the hell am I kidding, I am already enjoying them so. :police:
CHeers :PB)

Modifié par Spartas Husky, 21 mai 2010 - 09:18 .


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I enjoy playing the game as it's intended to be played, without exploiting. It's already a brilliant experience, extra damage and extra power damage won't change that.

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True.  Modding is like one of those games that during the capaing it says "you unlocked...infinite ammo. If used you wont unlocked any achievements"

So you pass the game in the hardest mode in its pure fashion.

Once you pass, and get everything, you go nuts and change everything, falling cows, raining fireballs, cops always on your tail, or your invicible.

Bioware didn't plan for it, I dont really care , makes the game replay value even higher now :P.


Remember all this started out of a simple argument "why doesn't all squadmates have retrain powers?"

...funny how a small thing turned into such a big deal. But sometimes small details matter most.

cheers:wub:

Modifié par Spartas Husky, 21 mai 2010 - 09:44 .


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I just save points, and max out the bonus skills, now that the squad ammo is fixed. Makes making characters more unique. Example, Jacob has Squad Ammo, but Grunt doesn't. Grunt instead has Concussion Shot, Regen bonus, and Fort. Legion doesn't have drone, but has AI hacking. Tali doesn't have AI, but has drone, etc.

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TMA LIVE wrote...

I just save points, and max out the bonus skills, now that the squad ammo is fixed. Makes making characters more unique. Example, Jacob has Squad Ammo, but Grunt doesn't. Grunt instead has Concussion Shot, Regen bonus, and Fort. Legion doesn't have drone, but has AI hacking. Tali doesn't have AI, but has drone, etc.


True, but I find warp ammo  ,and thane's not so likable.

And I rather have pull field with jacob, than inferno ammo. And have zaeed heavy disruptor without concussive. But that is just my taste.

For the most part patch was pretty good. And nothing wrong with it, now that I played quite a bit on many levels.

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Spartas Husky wrote...

Bioware needs money and instead of rallying its core, it goes to a big company. THey want to make money of gullible stubborn people let em I dont mind....for now :P.

That's assuming BioWare didn't have a third-party publisher before EA.

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Goth Skunk wrote...

The incinuation that BioWare assumes its fans are idiots is ludicrous and offensive. Kindly STFU and GTFO.


Well, the evidence suggest otherwise.

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Ecael wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

Bioware needs money and instead of rallying its core, it goes to a big company. THey want to make money of gullible stubborn people let em I dont mind....for now :P.

That's assuming BioWare didn't have a third-party publisher before EA.


True.  m3h,  I just wish more console games could be modded. Would make themf ar more popular.

ALl the mods...stories....missions....etc etc..god makes me drool just thinking of the possibilities :P

PS: hopefully Bioware allows some company to make a mass effect game like Star wars empire at war for the PC.....would be so kool .

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Beastfoot wrote...

Goth Skunk wrote...

The incinuation that BioWare assumes its fans are idiots is ludicrous and offensive. Kindly STFU and GTFO.


Well, the evidence suggest otherwise.

Considering your attitude is similar to quite a few people on these forums, I'd say BioWare doesn't just assume - they know.

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Ecael wrote...

Beastfoot wrote...

Goth Skunk wrote...

The incinuation that BioWare assumes its fans are idiots is ludicrous and offensive. Kindly STFU and GTFO.


Well, the evidence suggest otherwise.

Considering your attitude is similar to quite a few people on these forums, I'd say BioWare doesn't just assume - they know.


Ok, since my sarcasm seems lost here....
Just maybe, there is a reason for my attitude. I have bought both Dragon Age and Mass Effect 1&2 (and dlc)
....but, as a consumer I do not appreciate when a company seems to ignore negative feedback!

Yes, we now have a patch, and that's great, but it doesn't change that; scanning get's overly glorified in the press, hence the comment (that obviously provoked you!)

I'm simply not going to just pet Bioware on the back and not voice my opinions, especially not when I actually care about their products. Mass Effect 1&2 are among the best games I have ever played, and therefore I'd wish they would show more integrity and honesty in relation to their fans.


The moment we begin to fear the opinions of others and hesitate to tell the truth that is in us, and from motives of policy are silent when we should speak, the divine floods of light and life no longer flow into our souls Image IPB

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Beastfoot wrote...

Ok, since my sarcasm seems lost here....
Just maybe, there is a reason for my attitude. I have bought both Dragon Age and Mass Effect 1&2 (and dlc)
....but, as a consumer I do not appreciate when a company seems to ignore negative feedback!

Yes, we now have a patch, and that's great, but it doesn't change that; scanning get's overly glorified in the press, hence the comment (that obviously provoked you!)

I'm simply not going to just pet Bioware on the back and not voice my opinions, especially not when I actually care about their products. Mass Effect 1&2 are among the best games I have ever played, and therefore I'd wish they would show more integrity and honesty in relation to their fans.

The moment we begin to fear the opinions of others and hesitate to tell the truth that is in us, and from motives of policy are silent when we should speak, the divine floods of light and life no longer flow into our souls Image IPB

Well, you responded a lot better than I feared (hoped?). That deserves a wink-back. ;)

It's not scanning that gets overly glorified in these interviews - it's the games. I doubt they'll come out and say some part of the game sucks without risking a warning. After all, they do have the MetaCritic scores and sales to back up the statement that the game is good. However, the words about planet-scanning  *should* mean nothing to us (and its meaning not exaggerated) since they're currently trying to make planet-scanning as easy as possible without ripping it out of the game.

Those actions tell us that they are listening to negative feedback and fixing glitches. However, their posts get drowned out by people saying "You didn't fix that corretly!" or "You didn't fix THIS!" or "Why did you fix it?!?", as if they are able to respond to every piece of negative feedback. Those people then attack the developers and programmers as if they were the forum piñatas. That doesn't accomplish anything unless the goal is to chase them out of the forum with pitchforks in hand, thus causing them to ignore the whole forum.

There's nothing wrong with off-duty distractions pointing out flaws, but when people do not do anything except that (and then repeat the same thing someone else has said, even using the same talking points and words), it just becomes a nuisance.

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If this glitch with the skill points can possibly corrupt a file transfer would it be possible to release an update that would allow us to choose to have our characters points reset to the cap amount should we choose it?

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God!!! no pics no youtube link!? I just wanna see what the new mining upgrade looks like! Pretty please.

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Quintega wrote...

If this glitch with the skill points can possibly corrupt a file transfer would it be possible to release an update that would allow us to choose to have our characters points reset to the cap amount should we choose it?


Simple, get Gibbed editor, and just assign the original points.
Erase all the skills they have and with the original amount of points just lv the skills accordingly. And you'll have it as it was originally intended.

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God!!! no pics no youtube link!? I
just wanna see what the new mining upgrade looks like! Pretty
please.



Imagine the radar twice as big, and going 3-5 times faster. Also the rotation of the planet is incredibly fast so it takes no time to do anything.



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 I found something that wasn't happening before, so I think it is the patch.
I tested it in all files, modded, glitched, and originals and in every single one it happens.

Now instead of the ammo powers, Grunt, Legion and Jacob, have almost the same annoying habit, but instead of being ammo, is now their barriers. And yes ammo usage is turned of, so they only use defensive ones. IN the case of Legion grunt and Jacob is their shield powers. But it is just pushing it; now most of the time they activate their sheilds powers just as their cooldown from the previous shield activation expires. So they repedeately use their shields powers. They do this while I am engaged, even if they are left outside of combat and their shields have suffered no damage. Now instead of me not being able to issue them ammo powers, I just can't use any of their powers...lol

At first I thought it was... well their shields are down so they do it. But I tried outside of combat:
AKA in between fights they did not do anything, but inside combat, I left them out of the fight so their shields would not suffer, and it always the same.
They are 90% of the time in cooldown mode, because they won't stop using their shield powers.

To my surprise...or better said lack of one , I did maintaneance on my xbox, got rid of the patch, and ....it did not happended anymore.

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Well, at least the squad ammo glitch was fixed. I have no idea why they thought it was necessary to fix the x+a bug, as that was something that wasn't really adversely affecting everyone's game. I'd mind less if there was a way to respec your squadmates.

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VANGUARD_omega wrote...

God!!! no pics no youtube link!? I just wanna see what the new mining upgrade looks like! Pretty please.

There's really not much to see. The scanner just moves faster. Instead of taking 2 or 3 seconds to move from the top of a planet to the bottom, it now takes maybe half a second.

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the planet scanning is epic now  takes like 1 min to deplete a planet

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om nom nom nom nom....so when will the level cap be raised in ME2? Bioware is so predictable lol, its inevitable..they will do it! just look at dragon age ! lol