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[Alamar2078]

With my Soldier I had to work hard to get through Insanity.  My Vanguard had lots of reloads but battles were either "easy" or reloaded until I learned the pattern [and it became easy].  I feel that it took some skill to get those classes through.  I still remember scrounging for ammo just to make sure that I wouldn't run out in the middle of the next battle ....


The Engr on the other hand is:
-- Stay as far back in cover as your powers allow
-- Send in the explosive drone [repeat as necessary]
-- Throw in some Overload or Incinerate as appropriate
-- Take along Grunt, Zaeed, or Garrus for Squad ammo [or provide it with a bonus power]
-- Take along Miranda with a +HP bonus [not weapons because they aren't used]

On insanity I almost never fire a shot.   Praetorians ... Let me introduce you to Caine .... Harbinger && Scions .. eat some drone and incinerate.   Husks ... eat lots of incinerate.

 With new DLC it's getting easier [+1 Tech && Good SMG from Kasumi ; Arc Projector ; Eviscerator ; more $ from completing missions ; etc.]


At this point does beating Insanity with a NG+ Engineer even worthy of an "achivement"????

[jwalker]

Agreed. Specially with Kasumi's DLC

Starting a new game: with Mordin (to unlock the lab), Garrus, a little visit to the Citadel and Kasumi's mission, you have 3 tech upgrades, wich unlocks tech duration and tech cooldowns.
Before Kasumi, you had to finish the disabled collector ship mission to get the third upgrade.

[mosor]

Yeah Engineer is really easy. I go with jacob/miranda for organics though over grunt. Jacob gives me squad incendiary and can use his pull to set up miranda's warp explosions during my cooldown.

Jacob/Grunt is good for husk control too. Just incinerate blast, jacob pull field, incinerate blast grunt concussive blast. By not putting any points in incendiary on grunt, you can max out his concussive shot, passive and fortification and you get the squad fire ammo from jacob.

Zaeed and his disruptor ammo I only really use against geth. Incendiary ammo is the way to go against organics on an engineer.

Lots of people like explosive drone, but usually i prefer attack drone. It does more damage on enemies over time than the explosive drone. Unless it's a varren, YMIR or the enemy has a claymore, it will last long enough to do more damage. Besides the damage is so little, that it's used more for distraction than anything else. One good thing about attack drone is that its fun to use against praetorians. The attack drone's lighting will actually hit the praetorian and it's the only thing that will keep making it turn around as it moves towards you. Thus slowing it down a little and buying you more time.

Modifié par mosor, 18 mai 2010 - 07:43 .

[Lucazius]

If played correctly, Engineer is the fastest and deadliest class to kill anything. It's only weakeness will be enemies with barriers, not a big deal tough, and you can get reave (if you don't mind playing an Engineer with a biotic power).

[deaddecoy]

I'm inclined to say infiltrator is easier, especially after you get widow. Less fiddling with tech powers, bullet time every time you use scope, and cloak.

[onelifecrisis]

Interesting. I've read many times that the Engineer is very underpowered in ME2, though I've never played one. Maybe I'll give it a go.

deaddecoy wrote...

I'm inclined to say infiltrator is easier, especially after you get widow. Less fiddling with tech powers, bullet time every time you use scope, and cloak.

one problem: husks

[Tlazolteotl]

Incineration Blast

[cruc1al]

onelifecrisis wrote...

deaddecoy wrote...

I'm inclined to say infiltrator is easier, especially after you get widow. Less fiddling with tech powers, bullet time every time you use scope, and cloak.

one problem: husks

Hardly. Incinerate + 1pt cryo ammo + predator.

[onelifecrisis]

cruc1al wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

deaddecoy wrote...

I'm inclined to say infiltrator is easier, especially after you get widow. Less fiddling with tech powers, bullet time every time you use scope, and cloak.

one problem: husks

Hardly. Incinerate + 1pt cryo ammo + predator.

Hrm, well, if it works for you, keep doing it! My own attempts at using cryo ammo on husks was a disaster. I can't understand why people rate cryo so highly. Maybe I'm just "doing it wrong". When I played through Insanity as an Infiltrator I beat the husks by just running around a lot and dodging their attacks. It was effective, but tiresome and not fun.

Can you elaborate a bit on the incinerate bit of your strategy? Incinerate Blast or just low-level Incinerate? Do you take Mordin along for extra incineration power or is it enough just to use your own?

[cruc1al]

onelifecrisis wrote...

cruc1al wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

deaddecoy wrote...

I'm inclined to say infiltrator is easier, especially after you get widow. Less fiddling with tech powers, bullet time every time you use scope, and cloak.

one problem: husks

Hardly. Incinerate + 1pt cryo ammo + predator.

Can you elaborate a bit on the incinerate bit of your strategy? Incinerate Blast or just low-level Incinerate? Do you take Mordin along for extra incineration power or is it enough just to use your own?

Well I wasn't really thinking about squadmates there. Infiltrator can easily take care of any husks on its own with incinerate and cryo ammo predator. Incinerate takes care of armor, recharges in 4.5 seconds with cooldown upgrade and Agent, then 1 shot from cryo predator freezes about 90% of the time. Freezing insta-kills. Of course incineration blast is better, but lower incinerate should work too; you may have to complement with a bit more shooting and melee if one gets close. If you're in a tough spot just cloak.

With squadmate powers, all you really need is a heavy pistol or viper. A couple of shots to take down armor, then use Mordin's 4.5s cooldown full cryo blast to insta-kill. Then use any other squadmate to complement taking down armor or insta-killing (warp, reave, throw, pull, concussive shot...).

Modifié par cruc1al, 19 mai 2010 - 12:24 .

[onelifecrisis]

cruc1al wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

cruc1al wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

deaddecoy wrote...

I'm inclined to say infiltrator is easier, especially after you get widow. Less fiddling with tech powers, bullet time every time you use scope, and cloak.

one problem: husks

Hardly. Incinerate + 1pt cryo ammo + predator.

Can you elaborate a bit on the incinerate bit of your strategy? Incinerate Blast or just low-level Incinerate? Do you take Mordin along for extra incineration power or is it enough just to use your own?

Well I wasn't really thinking about squadmates there. Infiltrator can easily take care of any husks on its own with incinerate and cryo ammo predator. Incinerate takes care of armor, recharges in 4.5 seconds with cooldown upgrade and Agent, then 1 shot from cryo predator freezes about 90% of the time. Freezing insta-kills. Of course incineration blast is better, but lower incinerate should work too; you may have to complement with a bit more shooting and melee if one gets close. If you're in a tough spot just cloak.

With squadmate powers, all you really need is a heavy pistol or viper. A couple of shots to take down armor, then use Mordin's 4.5s cooldown full cryo blast to insta-kill. Then use any other squadmate to complement taking down armor or insta-killing (warp, reave, throw, pull, concussive shot...).

Hrm, I'm not really convinced. Are you speaking from experience or is this some untested theory of yours?

Firstly, one low-level incinerate every 4.5 seconds is going to strip the armor off of exactly 1 husk every 4.5 seconds... which isn't much help when there are 10 husks running at you. What do you plan to do against the other 9?

Secondly, cryo ammo does not freeze 90% of the time. More like 9%, at least on insanity.

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 19 mai 2010 - 02:10 .

[Tlazolteotl]

cruc1al has videos. Watch his infiltrator on horizon.

I have videos too. Watch my reaper IFF videos.

[cruc1al]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Hrm, I'm not really convinced. Are you speaking from experience or is this some untested theory of yours?

Firstly, one low-level incinerate every 4.5 seconds is going to strip the armor off of exactly 1 husk every 4.5 seconds... which isn't much help when there are 10 husks running at you. What do you plan to do against the other 9?

I'm speaking from experience. First, you encounter husks on Horizon. Check out my "Who needs squadmates? Infiltrator on Horizon" video, where I use 2 pt in cryo and incinerate (not blast).

The next time you face them on the Collector ship, but that's easy with low level incinerate and cryo ammo.

The real deal is the derelict reaper. I've played it through a couple of times without any squadmates with me. With incineration blast and cryo predator, the whole map is a cakewalk. I'm not joking, it's really extremely easy, and if you're having trouble with it, you're doing something wrong.

Secondly, cryo ammo does not freeze 90% of the time. More like 9%, at least on insanity.

It depends on the weapon you use. Rapid fire weapons freeze badly, sniper rifles freeze always, as does Carnifex, and Predator freezes about 90% of the time (estimate based on experience).

Modifié par cruc1al, 19 mai 2010 - 02:19 .

[onelifecrisis]

cruc1al wrote...

It depends on the weapon you use. Rapid fire weapons freeze badly, sniper rifles freeze always, as does Carnifex, and Predator freezes about 90% of the time (estimate based on experience).

Ahaaaaa... that explains why I found cryo so sucky. Thanks!

[onelifecrisis]

I watched the video. Nice work. I especially like the cloaked walk-up-to-collector-and-machine-pistol-him-the-face moves. And that cryo ammo is definitely freezing stuff for you.

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 19 mai 2010 - 02:37 .

[Tlazolteotl]

Well, I used the shuriken machine pistol on the reaper IFF ... I find 2 bursts with the shuriken a guaranteed freeze.

1 burst is usually enough, but I don't trust it as much as a pistol shot .. I didn't use the pistol at all though ... 'cos I packed the carnifex (whoops), and I didn't want to waste ammo on husks.

[mi55ter]

jwalker wrote...

Agreed. Specially with Kasumi's DLC

Starting a new game: with Mordin (to unlock the lab), Garrus, a little visit to the Citadel and Kasumi's mission, you have 3 tech upgrades, wich unlocks tech duration and tech cooldowns.
Before Kasumi, you had to finish the disabled collector ship mission to get the third upgrade.

This is what Adepts need!!!!! More Bio upgrades to unlock COOLDOWNS earlier

[jwalker]

mi55ter wrote...

jwalker wrote...

Agreed. Specially with Kasumi's DLC

Starting a new game: with Mordin (to unlock the lab), Garrus, a little visit to the Citadel and Kasumi's mission, you have 3 tech upgrades, wich unlocks tech duration and tech cooldowns.
Before Kasumi, you had to finish the disabled collector ship mission to get the third upgrade.

This is what Adepts need!!!!! More Bio upgrades to unlock COOLDOWNS earlier

And that 3rd tech upgrade in Kasumi's mission, not only benefits engineers, but sentinels and infiltrators as well...

Yeah, adepts got screwed there. But, problem is, before Horizon, there's only one bio upgrade available (firewalker pack). They would have to add two more. That's too much. 80 % bonus total before the disabled collector ship mission probably....

[cruc1al]

mi55ter wrote...

jwalker wrote...

Agreed. Specially with Kasumi's DLC

Starting a new game: with Mordin (to unlock the lab), Garrus, a little visit to the Citadel and Kasumi's mission, you have 3 tech upgrades, wich unlocks tech duration and tech cooldowns.
Before Kasumi, you had to finish the disabled collector ship mission to get the third upgrade.

This is what Adepts need!!!!! More Bio upgrades to unlock COOLDOWNS earlier

That would require 2 more bio upgrades. You get the first from firewalker, second from horizon and third from an Illium shop right after Horizon. Since you get the last two upgrades at essentially at the same time, you'd need two more upgrades to get the cooldown upgrade before horizon.

[Alamar2078]

I haven't done an Adept in NG+ insanity but IMHO they're basically not too bad currently [esp. early] .... they can spam singularity pretty regularly and if they carry along some Biotic cohorts they can set off combos effectively.

[Tlazolteotl]

Well, I usually use pull (with a single point) in preference to singularity, except when I need to drag foes out of cover, levitate a YMIR, or just delay a krogan's advance.

The cooldown difference is significant enough that even without a duration bonus, warp bombs are possible.

Most of the time, I just pull and shoot, 'cos it's faster.