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[Zamic45]

 Ok I need some advice here guys, I had no idea you could stop Garrus from killing Sidonis and I'm in a tough spot. I've already played through the game entirely 3 times, twice on my paragon and once on my sort of renegade. It never even occured to me to want to stop him but I went to watch a vid of it and he seems grateful for you stopping him. Now at least in my opinion Sidonis deserved it, he had other options such as retreating to the base and telling his team, you know the heavily armed ones trying to stop crime lords like the one who threatened him, who could have protected him. But I don't want Garrus to be like f***ed up in the head in ME3 cause he killed a man and has a guilty conscience. But on the other hand I don't want to have to go through the whole game AGAIN to fix such a small mistake, and Sidonis deserved it. Advice?

[Sand King]

Warn Sidonis

[Spartas Husky]

I help SIdonis, not out of goodness of my heart. But believe each deserves his own unique punishment.



A good person, with a relatively pure heart will always be guilty of any decisions they make, even if they are horrid ones.



Letting Sidonis live means he will live every last day of his life in agony, regreting what he did, never able to make up for it.



Sidonis himself is his own best prison.



Killing him, just ends his suffering.



Like a proverb I like



" there is no greater punishment than to remember the glory days while living in misery"



Besides, garrus is good, letting him go down more and more into such hatred isn't good for him, dont mean to say I dont get why he is like that, but he has to measure himself, coz he was becoming a bit tooo rash.

[MarshalMeLee]

You have two saves already killing Sidonis, saving him seems the way to go this time.



I usually let Garrus take the shot until I finally tried out the alternative in playthrough 3. Now I always save Sidonis, I get a really bad feeling otherwise, knowing the truth.

[Bugsie]

First playthrough I let him kill Sidonis, second playthrough I warned him and Garrus was pissed at first - not wanting to talk to me about it but then realising it wasn't a bad thing. I think Garrus's actions parallels your own Shepard - if you are a renegade then you're more likely to let him kill Sidonis - therefore taking that "play the rules by your own book" path, a more paragon action would be to let the authorities deal with him and move on from your own feelings of betrayal (and I guess give Sidonis the chance to repent which he does - theres a chance that it could backfire but in this case it doesnt).

[OniGanon]

Spartas Husky wrote...
Letting Sidonis live means he will live every last day of his life in agony, regreting what he did, never able to make up for it.

That's assuming Sidonis has any regrets. I don't recall hearing or reading anything to suggest he does.

[Spartas Husky]

OniGanon wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...
Letting Sidonis live means he will live every last day of his life in agony, regreting what he did, never able to make up for it.

That's assuming Sidonis has any regrets. I don't recall hearing or reading anything to suggest he does.

Pass it again, you'll see he does.

After wards if you stay on the citadel, you hear news about a Turian going to the police and telling them he murdered his friends and wants to pay somehow for his mistake but the police telling him, that IF he committed the crime there is now ay to punish him since he committed that crime in Omega.

Ohhh, he is suffering alright. Greatest punishment for a good guy with guilt, is life itself.

[Zaxares]

I let Garrus kill him on my Renegade and Neutral (after going through the dialogue and ultimately saying to Sidonis, "If that's what you want.") playthroughs. I stopped him on my Paragon playthroughs.

[swk3000]

To save Sidonis, you need to keep him talking and stay in the way of Garrus' shot. When Sidonis starts to walk away, use the Paragon Interrupt to stop him.



The choices you need to make are generally pretty obvious; as I said, keep him talking, don't move out of the way of Garrus' shot, and take the Paragon Interrupt when Sidonis starts to walk. You should have no problems saving Sidonis.

[eternalnightmare13]

Don't beat yourself up.  The decision won't have a big impact in ME3.  ****, killing that dr for Garrus in ME1 had no impact in 2.  Maybe an email in ME3...

Zamic45 wrote...

 Ok I need some advice here guys, I had no idea you could stop Garrus from killing Sidonis and I'm in a tough spot. I've already played through the game entirely 3 times, twice on my paragon and once on my sort of renegade. It never even occured to me to want to stop him but I went to watch a vid of it and he seems grateful for you stopping him. Now at least in my opinion Sidonis deserved it, he had other options such as retreating to the base and telling his team, you know the heavily armed ones trying to stop crime lords like the one who threatened him, who could have protected him. But I don't want Garrus to be like f***ed up in the head in ME3 cause he killed a man and has a guilty conscience. But on the other hand I don't want to have to go through the whole game AGAIN to fix such a small mistake, and Sidonis deserved it. Advice?

[inCHAINS]

I let Garrus sniped him for a couple playthrough, then I started thinking that Garrus is growing to be more like me [renegade] and I felt bad that I taught him to be that way, with the student\\teacher relationship they had in ME1. So I started to help him out a bit, make him become the better person that he is. After that i felt bad for Sidonis and so I kept blocking Garrus's shot.

My advice save Garrus from himself and don't let him take the shot or possibly he [Garrus] will be totally messed up in ME3.

[Spartas Husky]

[quote]eternalnightmare13 wrote...

Don't beat yourself up.  The decision won't have a big impact in ME3.  ****, killing that dr for Garrus in ME1 had no impact in 2.  Maybe an email in ME3...[quote]Zamic45 wrote...
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It did...a little. Depending on whether or not Garrus saw you take harsh or just action. His attitude is different in ME2. Most of his dialogue is the same no matter what. But some of his responses differ.

If you were just and garrus learn that from you. WHile after sidonis and all that he admits is for revenge, and qhen questioned on it, he just doesn't know what to do bla bla bla.

if you were rash and renegade like, he'll answer most of his stuff with cynical stuff like

"you did the same before"
"why you say that, I learned from you"

or something along the lines.

Doesn't affect gameplay, just a couple dialogue answers.

[Crunchyinmilk]

I value Garrus too much to make his decisions for him.

The only difference between my paragon and renegade playthroughs are whether or not I argue against Garrus taking revenge against Sidonis or not. Throughout this mission there are like 3 points you can argue.

The ulitmate decision I always leave up to him. I support Garrus and accept who he is.

[Tlazolteotl]

Motives are irrelevant.

Sidonis gets a bullet in the head.

[Zamic45]

Modifié par Zamic45, 21 mai 2010 - 03:34 .

[KOKitten]

My first playthrough I warned Sidonis and eventually Garrus let him go.

Every other playthrough I've let Garrus snipe Sidonis. I don't really like seeing Sidonis killed but it wasn't my squad which was decimated; it was Garrus'. I thought I should respect Garrus' choice and not force my own opinion on him.

[jakenou]

If what carried over from ME1 to ME2 is any indication of what kind of stuff will carry over to ME3, than I doubt the decision you make for this mission will amount to anything more than a slight dialogue diference.

I always thought "saving" Sedonis was the most Paragon route to take (and I'm pretty sure you get the most Par points that way - ?) anyway, and I've actually spared him in each of my games so far, even as a Renegade. I think it's the wisest choice Shepard can make, not just because you save a life, but out of concern for Garrus, one of your closest friends. I've heard a lot of people say it's not Shepard's choice to make... but Shepard is the one helping him on the mission, so Shep's gotta do what Shep thinks is best, and Shep MUST make a choice here. For me, Garrus is my choice, and to see him suffer over his anger like that never sat right with me. If one of your closest friends were going through a hard time, wouldn't you do what you thought was best to help them through it? For some, it's letting Sidonis die, and the story allows it to be just that if you play it that way.

If you go through with sparing him, you'll see how Garrus comes around. For him to kill Sidonis would have been a misdirection of his anger. If you spare Sidonis, you hear his side of the story (spoiler!!!) and find out that he realizes his mistakes and regrets it all pretty deeply. He actually suggests that he deserves to die (or something to that effect). Even though Garrus has killed countless enemies, he's not so ruthless as to have no consciousness of who he kills and why. Garrus thought that Sidonis felt no remorse for what he'd done, and if Garrus had killed him and found that out, it could have changed him for the worse and caused regrets he would have to live with. Shepard gives Garrus a more clear picture of the truth, even though it's not what Garrus wants to hear at first. By sparing Sidonis, he's the one who has to live with deep regrets. He's the one who is affected. That's the better way to set Garrus free IMO.

Modifié par jkthunder, 21 mai 2010 - 04:37 .

[RGFrog]

Didn't care either way. If I was playing Paragon, then I took the paragon choice and blocked the shot. If I was playing Renegade, then Sedonis ate a round. Simple as that. I wanted either points and that's all that really matters. Same with all the decisions in this game.

Only time it matters is when you don't want to go full either way. Then you get to make moral choices and realize that they were all the wrong ones when you start up ME3.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Sidonis is unarmed, and he tells you he feels like total crap for what he did and he even thinks that he doesn't deserve to live. Having Garrus" put him out of his misery" is murder. Clear and simple. Garrus is not a pyschotic holier then thou character who would kill anyone he thinks is bad, hes not the Punisher. He is not a murderer either, and i think if you do in fact let him kill sidonis it would probably haunt him for the rest of his life.

[Silver]

At first I let Garrus take the shot everytime (about 4 times I think) when I finally remembered something: In ME1 I stopped Garrus from killing Dr. Saleon on sight for the same reason someone here already mentioned.

He was going down the path to become a Renegade, and I didn't want that to happen to Garrus then, and I don't want it to happen to him now.



Also, there is no telling what could happen by the time ME3 surfaces, and I still want to have Garrus around when it does (He could end up like Sidonis I mean, all ridden with guilt because of what he has done as a vigilante).

[jakenou]

silverhammer08 wrote...
Also, there is no telling what could happen by the time ME3 surfaces, and I still want to have Garrus around when it does (He could end up like Sidonis I mean, all ridden with guilt because of what he has done as a vigilante).

This is my main reason. I feel like his "loyalty" is stronger with him knowing I care about his well being. I know that there aren't different levels of loyalty - it's just loyal or not loyal, but they made a compelling story in Mass Effect, so it's easy to get engrossed. Of course it's up to BioWare to come up with whatever possible consequences it could have in ME3. I'm just hoping they don't come up with something like Sidonis becoming a deranged psychopath who seeks out Garrus to assassinate him. But I think that it will just be a small piece of dialogue that simply references the outcome, if anything at all.

[Silver]

jkthunder wrote...

silverhammer08 wrote...
Also, there is no telling what could happen by the time ME3 surfaces, and I still want to have Garrus around when it does (He could end up like Sidonis I mean, all ridden with guilt because of what he has done as a vigilante).

This is my main reason. I feel like his "loyalty" is stronger with him knowing I care about his well being. I know that there aren't different levels of loyalty - it's just loyal or not loyal, but they made a compelling story in Mass Effect, so it's easy to get engrossed. Of course it's up to BioWare to come up with whatever possible consequences it could have in ME3. I'm just hoping they don't come up with something like Sidonis becoming a deranged psychopath who seeks out Garrus to assassinate him. But I think that it will just be a small piece of dialogue that simply references the outcome, if anything at all.

either way, Garrus said that he learned from the best, and I don't want to make him regret that by letting him take a dark path.

[Lucky Thirteen]

Psh, I stuck to my guns. Garrus wasn't allowed to shot that guy in the first game, he's not allowed this game either, and I was fully prepared to not have his loyalty too. I played the whole first game once without him, so BAH.



I'm pure paragon baby.



I get the feeling sometimes, that Garrus is going to go completely rogue on Shepard no matter what you do.

[archurban]

MarshalMeLee wrote...

You have two saves already killing Sidonis, saving him seems the way to go this time.

I usually let Garrus take the shot until I finally tried out the alternative in playthrough 3. Now I always save Sidonis, I get a really bad feeling otherwise, knowing the truth.

well, if you feel like that way, just don't do loyalty mission. it's simple. just let Garrus be no loyalty. I usually killed Sidonis without doubt because Garrus has revenge on him. so it's not up to me for stopping him. 

[EffectedByTheMasses]

If it makes your decision any easier, I heard somewhere (not entirely sure) that if you warn Sidonis, he later turns himself in to C-Sec.