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[omnitremere]

IF you give the information about her father over to the admirals can she stil survive the final missions?  Everybody else on my squad was loyal and i let the crew go without one of my squad just to make sure there would be as many people as possible holding the line.  And she still didn't make it.  Is she just not meant to survive if she's not loyal? Thanks in advance for any comments or suggestions.

[Ecael]

I012345 wrote...

IF you give the information about her father over to the admirals can she stil survive the final missions?  Everybody else on my squad was loyal and i let the crew go without one of my squad just to make sure there would be as many people as possible holding the line.  And she still didn't make it.  Is she just not meant to survive if she's not loyal? Thanks in advance for any comments or suggestions.

It's difficult as she's one of the weakest to be left holding the line, and even more so as non-loyal.

If you want the crew to survive: Use Mordin as escort, bring Jack and Kasumi to final boss
If you don't want the crew: Bring Mordin and Kasumi to final boss

That might leave enough strong defenders to keep Tali alive, but I've never tried it.

Modifié par Ecael, 18 mai 2010 - 03:28 .

[Spartas Husky]

No she does not.

Any non loyal characters in holding the line will die, unless they are sent back with the survivors.

Besides...why would you give the info to them. :ph34r:

Modifié par Spartas Husky, 18 mai 2010 - 03:30 .

[omnitremere]

Spartas Husky wrote...

No she does not.

Any non loyal characters in holding the line will die, unless they are sent back with the survivors.

Besides...why would you give the info to them. :ph34r:

I'm replaying the game several times to make sure I have all possible outcomes for ME3.  So I wanted games where I gave the evidence, got her exiled, and convinced the admirals to keep her without evidence.  This was the playthrough where I gave the evidence up.  Didn't even consider her dying until I realized towards the end that, that was a possibility.  Thanks to the second poster.   i also just realized there's a sticky that's somewhat similar to this.  I had Garrus and Grunt in my group when I did the final fight last time.  I'm going to replay it and try just takiong Kasumi and Mordin as recommended.  Hopefully that will help.  Thanks a lot for the assist.

[enormousmoonboots]

I think the most assured way to get into ME3 with a disloyal Tali is to do her recruitment and loyalty AFTER the suicide mission. I remember someone else trying to get her to survive, but I don't remember what her final results were.

[thatguy212]

If you leave Legion, Grunt and Zaeed with her at the hold the line section then she will have a good chance of living

Modifié par thatguy212, 18 mai 2010 - 03:41 .

[Spartas Husky]

I012345 wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

No she does not.

Any non loyal characters in holding the line will die, unless they are sent back with the survivors.

Besides...why would you give the info to them. :ph34r:

I'm replaying the game several times to make sure I have all possible outcomes for ME3.  So I wanted games where I gave the evidence, got her exiled, and convinced the admirals to keep her without evidence.  This was the playthrough where I gave the evidence up.  Didn't even consider her dying until I realized towards the end that, that was a possibility.  Thanks to the second poster.   i also just realized there's a sticky that's somewhat similar to this.  I had Garrus and Grunt in my group when I did the final fight last time.  I'm going to replay it and try just takiong Kasumi and Mordin as recommended.  Hopefully that will help.  Thanks a lot for the assist.

I checked my magazine from gamestop, and they have a nice little chart of what "your perfect playthrough" is like. and it says, any "non loyal squadmates die in holding line" only way to avoid it, is to send your non loyal member with the survivors....

[Ecael]

Spartas Husky wrote...

I checked my magazine from gamestop, and they have a nice little chart of what "your perfect playthrough" is like. and it says, any "non loyal squadmates die in holding line" only way to avoid it, is to send your non loyal member with the survivors....

That's not true, actually. Non-loyal squadmates can survive holding the line depending on who they are.

I've had a playthrough where I left non-loyal Zaeed and non-loyal Samara to hold the line and got everyone else killed, but both of those two still survived.

I have also heard of a playthrough where someone left non-loyal Grunt behind to defend it solo and Grunt still survived. However, he was the only squadmate still alive and thus Shepard ended up dying anyway (2 squadmates required).

[omnitremere]

It requires two squaddies for Shepard to survive? Interesting. Makes sense.

[Spartas Husky]

mmm hold on leme read more. I'll update it...


FOund it:
Bioware's Tip:While Sheperds battle past is fighting the last boss, the rest of your squad will be holding the line. Less combat or unstable characters like mordin and Jack, are likely to die or put other team members holding the line at risk, especially if they ar enot loyal.

Battle tested soldiers like Grunt and Zaeed can actually save lives of others holding the line. These factors determine how many party members are killed during their last stand. Non loyal squad members will die first in no specific order. . FOllowed by looyal ones according to this order of physical prowess:

Modrin, Tali Kasumi, Jack, Miranda, Jacob, Garrus, samara/Morinth, legion, thane, zaeed, grunt. From Lowest chance to greatest chance.

[enormousmoonboots]

Yeah, the game doesn't like you playing with one teammate.



Also, I don't think a disloyal character can survive escorting the survivors.

[Spartas Husky]

enormousmoonboots wrote...

Yeah, the game doesn't like you playing with one teammate.

Also, I don't think a disloyal character can survive escorting the survivors.

ACtually you  right, I duno.

Says here:

DO you send a party  member to escort cre members:

yes:

is escort loyal:

yes, everyone survives,

no, crew survives escort dies.

so there u go, I was mistaken, anyone not loyal most likely dies lol.....

actually....it says here, any non loyal squad members you bring with you to the final boss fight die as well......never have done something like that but there u have it.

[omnitremere]

Spartas Husky wrote...

mmm hold on leme read more. I'll update it...


FOund it:
Bioware's Tip:While Sheperds battle past is fighting the last boss, the rest of your squad will be holding the line. Less combat or unstable characters like mordin and Jack, are likely to die or put other team members holding the line at risk, especially if they ar enot loyal.

Battle tested soldiers like Grunt and Zaeed can actually save lives of others holding the line. These factors determine how many party members are killed during their last stand. Non loyal squad members will die first in no specific order. . FOllowed by looyal ones according to this order of physical prowess:

Modrin, Tali Kasumi, Jack, Miranda, Jacob, Garrus, samara/Morinth, legion, thane, zaeed, grunt. From Lowest chance to greatest chance.

Damn.  They have no respect for Tali's prowess whatsoever. In ME1 half the time she was last woman standing cause her shields were so crazy high.  Guess those days are gone.

[Ecael]

I012345 wrote...

Damn.  They have no respect for Tali's prowess whatsoever. In ME1 half the time she was last woman standing cause her shields were so crazy high.  Guess those days are gone.

That's Legion and Grunt now.

[omnitremere]

Ecael wrote...

I012345 wrote...

Damn.  They have no respect for Tali's prowess whatsoever. In ME1 half the time she was last woman standing cause her shields were so crazy high.  Guess those days are gone.

That's Legion and Grunt now.

I've actually never used Legion besides his loyalty mission.  When the overlord DLC comes on I'll have to give him a whirl.

[Ecael]

I012345 wrote...

I've actually never used Legion besides his loyalty mission.  When the overlord DLC comes on I'll have to give him a whirl.

Make sure to get him the two Geth Shield Strength bonuses, the Widow and all the Damage Protection bonuses for your squad.

With Geth Shield Boost refreshing his Tali-like shields constantly, quick in-and-out Widow fire and Combat Drone to distract, Legion is basically invincible unless completely surrounded.

[NICKjnp]

Yeah... send her through the vents. She'll make it.

[Spartas Husky]

Ecael wrote...

I012345 wrote...

I've actually never used Legion besides his loyalty mission.  When the overlord DLC comes on I'll have to give him a whirl.

Make sure to get him the two Geth Shield Strength bonuses, the Widow and all the Damage Protection bonuses for your squad.

With Geth Shield Boost refreshing his Tali-like shields constantly, quick in-and-out Widow fire and Combat Drone to distract, Legion is basically invincible unless completely surrounded.

True, he has ungodly shields... I love him . If grunt werent so prone to going nuts unto enemy fire he woudl survive as well.

and me with my unglodly AR, we kill every beasty easily, thanks to my A+X, muhahaha bioware you do not win, I will not bowl :devil::devil:

[omnitremere]

Yes! Victory! Sent mordin with the crew. Used Kasumi and Jack for the final boss battle. Everybody survivied including my disloyal Tali. AWESOME. Thanks for the help and tips everybody.

[omnitremere]

Spartas Husky wrote...

Ecael wrote...

I012345 wrote...

I've actually never used Legion besides his loyalty mission.  When the overlord DLC comes on I'll have to give him a whirl.

Make sure to get him the two Geth Shield Strength bonuses, the Widow and all the Damage Protection bonuses for your squad.

With Geth Shield Boost refreshing his Tali-like shields constantly, quick in-and-out Widow fire and Combat Drone to distract, Legion is basically invincible unless completely surrounded.

True, he has ungodly shields... I love him . If grunt werent so prone to going nuts unto enemy fire he woudl survive as well.

and me with my unglodly AR, we kill every beasty easily, thanks to my A+X, muhahaha bioware you do not win, I will not bowl :devil::devil:

You know I actually love the way Grunt just goes ballistic. The first time I played the game and went through the Derelict Reaper I actually had a lot of the toruble with the husks.  Seeing him suddenly bathe in the glory of battle, scream "I AM KROGAN!" , and charge into the thick of things just infused me with confidence.  I started barreling right behind him through the opposition.  Probably my favorite ME2 moment.  lol

Legion sounds really damn cool.  Next playthrough when I have everybody loyal I'll use him in the boss batle and see what it's like.

[Spartas Husky]

I dont mind him doing it in harcore or less.....but on insanity is .....just...



Hell I might as well go with just legion into battle, cos grunt dies before saying

"I am...."



dead lol

[Pacifien]

Spartas Husky wrote...
*snip*
Battle tested soldiers like Grunt and Zaeed can actually save lives of others holding the line. These factors determine how many party members are killed during their last stand. Non loyal squad members will die first in no specific order. . FOllowed by looyal ones according to this order of physical prowess:

A nonloyal Tali can still survive holding the line. When it comes to holding the line, the key is the overall defense score. If you meet this defense score, no one will die. If you don't meet this defense score, there is an order in which the squadmates start dying, beginning with the nonloyal first and then to the loyal.

I have had various nonloyal squadmates survive holding the line. In fact, you can theoretically have everyone in your squad survive the suicide mission with only four loyal.

Also, just to throw it out there, a nonloyal Grunt can hold the line by himself.

Modifié par Pacifien, 18 mai 2010 - 04:22 .

[Spartas Husky]

I duno man, I am just typing it exactly as I read it in my magazine. SO if you found it is wrong. then there u go

[Ecael]

Spartas Husky wrote...

I duno man, I am just typing it exactly as I read it in my magazine. SO if you found it is wrong. then there u go

"Non loyal squad members will die first in no specific order"

The magazine is saying that non-loyals will die first if your hold the line team is weak enough.

[Pacifien]

The magazine isn't wrong. If you fail to meet the defense score check, nonloyal squadmates do die first.