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[Jesusland]

It's obvious Cerberus are supposed to be the "bad guys", but that's now what I've seen so far.  The Council are racist, ungrateful do-nothings, and the Alliance betrayed Shephard by denying the Reaper threat.  And look how easy Ashley disowned Shephard after everything he did in ME1.  Shameful.  So why should Shephard keep bending over for them?  Meanwhile, Cerberus is getting the job done and has the best interests of humanity at heart, and is giving Shep everything he needs to complete the mission.  Sure, maybe TIM is a bit shady, but so far he doesn't strike me as worse than Udina and the Council.  They are all asses.  That's why I saved the Collector base for him.  Because Cerberus is the only one doing anything about the Reaper threat.  And M2 hasn't given me any REAL indication that TIM is such a bad guy.  I wanted to be loyal to the Alliance, but they betrayed Shep.  Shep is a Cerberus man now.

[OmegaXI]

Agreed but I blew up the base to show the Reapers that I can kill them all without their Tech as well as anyone who helps them I plan on erasing them as they have erased other civilizations. That and I like blowing things up, man TIM really dropped the ball on that one, should have looked alittle bit more into my background and personality. But its ok me and him are cool now.

Modifié par OmegaXI, 18 mai 2010 - 06:51 .

[Madman123456]

So the People i worked with are not worth my time or Loyalty. Well, Cerberus isn't either. TIM will have me run into open Traps without hesitation. Also, some Cerberus People think that going 5 Days without a fatal Accident at work is something to be bragged about.

[Andrew_Waltfeld]

Madman123456 wrote...
 Also, some Cerberus People think that going 5 Days without a fatal Accident at work is something to be bragged about.

O i thought that was used to give you an time frame of how long ago the scientists went missing/started killing each other on the reaper.

[mosor]

Madman123456 wrote...

So the People i worked with are not worth my time or Loyalty. Well, Cerberus isn't either. TIM will have me run into open Traps without hesitation. Also, some Cerberus People think that going 5 Days without a fatal Accident at work is something to be bragged about.

It's not bragging. It's the VI just stating the facts. VI's have no emotions to be able to brag. As for traps, irritating as they are, at least it got results. Playing it safe gets you nowhere.

[amcnow]

If I had it my way, I'd ditch all of them and be my own man. Jack Bauer-like; get the job done with efficiency and without all the red tape.

[kraidy1117]

I am rouge at the end of ME2......



Cerberus would be good, if TIM was not leading it, I don't trust TIM at all.

[Terraneaux]

In the first game, Cerberus was cartoonishly evil and the council were a bunch of obnoxious bureaucrats. In the second game, the council seems to be actively antagonistic towards the main character and Cerberus is portrayed in a much more positive light. The way things play out leads me to believe that writer bias more than any sense of verisimilitude is driving the characterization of these organizations.

[DOYOURLABS]

Cerberus is evil in pre-ME2. In ME1 they killed admiral kahoku and almost unleashed a rachni army on the galaxy. They were responsible for Akuze. They repeated Akuze on new marines. Exploded eezo tankers over colonies, and turned a colony into husks. To get a small child to continue tests they track her to the Migrant Fleet and kill a whole bunch of quarians. They are bad people. In ME2 they don't do anything, other than lure the collectors to Horizion which is justified.

[kraidy1117]

Mukora wrote...

Cerberus arte bad guys, despite what everyone else does. Exploding an eezo tanker over a colony, feeding twenty marines to thresher maws on Akuze, doing the same thing a few years later, turning an entire colony into husks, experementing on rachni and thorian creepers to create an army. I don't care if they're trying to "get the job done" They're monsters and deserve to die.

EDIT: Oh, and I can't believe I forgot this, trying to infiltrate the quarian flottilla, performing potentially fatal expirements on an autistic twelve year-old girl. I really shouldn't have to spell this out to you.

EDIT2: And, just look at what they did to Jack, even before the facility went rogue.

Read Ascension. that whole project went to hell and rogue, thanks to Pel and Golo. The plan was to get her back, with miminal deaths, it was Golo who went crazy and wanted to blow up one oft he ships and was in a bloodrage. TIM did not know what happen, all he knew was that his project was taken to the Flottila. TIM could have easly leaked that the Quarians kidnapped a bunch of high ranking humans to the Alliance and the Aliance would have attacked.

Modifié par kraidy1117, 18 mai 2010 - 07:50 .

[mosor]

Mukora wrote...

Cerberus arte bad guys, despite what everyone else does. Exploding an eezo tanker over a colony, feeding twenty marines to thresher maws on Akuze, doing the same thing a few years later, turning an entire colony into husks, experementing on rachni and thorian creepers to create an army. I don't care if they're trying to "get the job done" They're monsters and deserve to die.

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They didn't turn an entire colony into huks. They used dead bodies. so what if they experimented on rachni and thorian creepers? Militaries use dolphins, horses, dogs, elephants and all kinds of other animals to conduct military operations.

[DOYOURLABS]

Mukora wrote...

DOYOURLABS wrote...

Cerberus is evil in pre-ME2. In ME1 they killed admiral kahoku and almost unleashed a rachni army on the galaxy. They were responsible for Akuze. They repeated Akuze on new marines. Exploded eezo tankers over colonies, and turned a colony into husks. To get a small child to continue tests they track her to the Migrant Fleet and kill a whole bunch of quarians. They are bad people. In ME2 they don't do anything, other than lure the collectors to Horizion which is justified.

Just because they don't do anything in the few-week span of ME2, doesn't mean they aren't still bad. Have you seen TIM's face if Shepard dies and leaves him the collector base?

I didn't say they aren't still bad. I was just saying that they don't do anything as extreme as they did pre-ME2 (that we know of.)

[Barquiel]

kraidy1117 wrote...

I am rouge at the end of ME2......

Cerberus would be good, if TIM was not leading it, I don't trust TIM at all.

same here
Kelly should replace him^_^
She loves humanity, but she also loves asari, quarians, turians,...

[Shepard Lives]

No. Just because TIM doesn't torture babies in front of you does not mean he's not a bad guy. Mukora here was nice enough to synthesize what the bastards have done so far.

Mukora wrote...



Exploding an eezo tanker over a colony, feeding twenty marines to thresher maws on Akuze, doing the same thing a few years later, turning an entire colony into husks, experimenting on rachni and thorian creepers to create an army.

May I also add implanting poor nutball Paul Grayson with Reaper tech just to see how it turns out.

Which is not only sadistic and horrible, but also unimaginably stupid and dangerous.



Basically, they have absolutely no regard for life. And before you say "But they are helping Shepard" let me say that



-They aren't helping him/her so that when the Reapers are gone everyone will live happily ever after. They want to put humans in charge of the galaxy (bad move, will only lead to war, terrorism and bad management) and put themselves in charge of the humans (which will lead to even more war, terrorism and bad management).



-They (or more specifically TIM) don't even care about Shepard that much. I mean TIM basically sent the Commander inside a Collector ship with no intel (and the opening ME2 cutscene has led me to believe that he himself set the Commander up with the Collectors- though not by cooperating with them).



So even more basically, they are reckless, murderous, racist ****s and when I'm done whupping the Reapers I will personally hunt them down and force them to disband. That includes Miranda and Jacob.



That is all.

[kraidy1117]

Mukora wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Read Ascension. that whole project went to hell and rogue, thanks to Pel and Golo. The plan was to get her back, with miminal deaths, it was Golo who went crazy and wanted to blow up one oft he ships and was in a bloodrage. TIM did not know what happen, all he knew was that his project was taken to the Flottila. TIM could have easly leaked that the Quarians kidnapped a bunch of high ranking humans to the Alliance and the Aliance would have attacked.

I did read Ascension, while yes, most of that was Pel and Golo's fault, TIM was planning to infiltrate it, anyway. He wanted to get on the inside, steal tech from the quarians. Figure out how the survived without a planet. Though, that doesn't really diminish the other stuff.

Again TIM has a good reason. What if what happen to the Quarians happened to humans? If we had that info TIM got we would be  able to adapt and plan better because we stidued a race that is in a similar place. The Ascension project and the Quarian project IMHO where not that bad at all, and this does show that projects do rogue because we see that clear in Ascension. Pel betrayed Cerberus to the Collectors and Gollo betryaed Cerberus for his revenage.

I am in no way  saying what Cerberus has done in the past is good, what they did to Jack was beyond disgusting, but this made it better for Gillian because they where ALOT careful with her, however this did backfire on TIM because one oft he serums they used almost killed her.

[kraidy1117]

Barquiel wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

I am rouge at the end of ME2......

Cerberus would be good, if TIM was not leading it, I don't trust TIM at all.

same here
Kelly should replace him^_^
She loves humanity, but she also loves asari, quarians, turians,...

Nah, us at the Miri thread think Miri should become TIW, she is perfect for the job and would do a great job.

[mosor]

Mukora wrote...

mosor wrote...

They didn't turn an entire colony into huks. They used dead bodies. so what if they experimented on rachni and thorian creepers? Militaries use dolphins, horses, dogs, elephants and all kinds of other animals to conduct military operations.

No, the colony wasn't already dead. And, I believe you missed the building an army part with the rachni and creepers.

Which colony are you talking about?  I can't remember a mission where cerberus converted a whole colony into husks.

My point was whats the difference between thorian creepers and using other animals? Even Rachni soldiers I doubt are really sentient without their queen.

[Lumikki]

"Bad" guy depence who's view point you are looking. What loyalty has to do anything this?



You mean your Shepard expect others to be loyal to Shepard and Shepard to be loyal to something. That's narrow thinking, look the bigger picture.



This isn't just about humanity or Shepard, it's about all intelligent organic life. Reapers don't care what race you are, when the cycle begings. Shepard should see this, but others races don't really see it, except maybe TIM and few other induviduals. How ever, TIM is only interest of humanity, but Shepard can be more than that.



I ques it depends about players choises and what player want to see. My Shepard doens't fight because humanitity, she fights for all organic and intelligent life, even for syntetic life if needed. I don't kill other because something, but because necessary for the big picture.



Now blowing the collector base or not is hard choise. It could provide new knowledge, but to who and what purpose. Also can you keep that base for you self and how long. I don't think that territory was friendly. Also who is TIM? Is he even human?

[kraidy1117]

shepard_lives wrote...

No. Just because TIM doesn't torture babies in front of you does not mean he's not a bad guy. Mukora here was nice enough to synthesize what the bastards have done so far.

Mukora wrote...

Exploding an eezo tanker over a colony, feeding twenty marines to thresher maws on Akuze, doing the same thing a few years later, turning an entire colony into husks, experimenting on rachni and thorian creepers to create an army.

May I also add implanting poor nutball Paul Grayson with Reaper tech just to see how it turns out.
Which is not only sadistic and horrible, but also unimaginably stupid and dangerous.

Basically, they have absolutely no regard for life. And before you say "But they are helping Shepard" let me say that

-They aren't helping him/her so that when the Reapers are gone everyone will live happily ever after. They want to put humans in charge of the galaxy (bad move, will only lead to war, terrorism and bad management) and put themselves in charge of the humans (which will lead to even more war, terrorism and bad management).

-They (or more specifically TIM) don't even care about Shepard that much. I mean TIM basically sent the Commander inside a Collector ship with no intel (and the opening ME2 cutscene has led me to believe that he himself set the Commander up with the Collectors- though not by cooperating with them).

So even more basically, they are reckless, murderous, racist ****s and when I'm done whupping the Reapers I will personally hunt them down and force them to disband. That includes Miranda and Jacob.

That is all.

Not all Cerberus personal is racist..... look at Miri who is a top Cerberus opertive. She is not anti-alien at all, she in-fact likes the other cultures. Also about Paul, this is revenage because Paul betrayed Cerberus and estoryed two projects that took alot of time and resources.

[mosor]

Lumikki wrote...

Now blowing the collector base or not is hard choise. It could provide new knowledge, but to who and what purpose. Also can you keep that base for you self and how long. I don't think that territory was friendly. Also who is TIM? Is he even human?

Rather know more about the reapers by saving that base. Silly not taking the opportunity to learn about a major galactic threat just because of trust issues with TIM. TIM is an enemy I'm more familiar with and have a greater chance taking out than fighting the reapers blind.

[kraidy1117]

mosor wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Now blowing the collector base or not is hard choise. It could provide new knowledge, but to who and what purpose. Also can you keep that base for you self and how long. I don't think that territory was friendly. Also who is TIM? Is he even human?

Rather know more about the reapers by saving that base. Silly not taking the opportunity to learn about a major galactic threat just because of trust issues with TIM. TIM is an enemy I'm more familiar with and have a greater chance taking out than fighting the reapers blind.

Yes, lets destory the Reapers, but lets leave a Reaper factory intact o it can build more Reapers, and lets give it to TIM Ya thats just plain stupid. The base is gone and I will defeat the Reapers without it