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[Barquiel]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

I am rouge at the end of ME2......

Cerberus would be good, if TIM was not leading it, I don't trust TIM at all.

same here
Kelly should replace him^_^
She loves humanity, but she also loves asari, quarians, turians,...

Nah, us at the Miri thread think Miri should become TIW, she is perfect for the job and would do a great job.

I agree, Miranda is a good choice as well

Nobody controls cerberus, that's the problem
Salarian STGs and Asari commandos all answer to their respective governments. Cerberus answers to a single unelected individual (with freaky eyes)...who is accountable to no one.

Modifié par Barquiel, 18 mai 2010 - 08:08 .

[Lumikki]

mosor wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Now blowing the collector base or not is hard choise. It could provide new knowledge, but to who and what purpose. Also can you keep that base for you self and how long. I don't think that territory was friendly. Also who is TIM? Is he even human?

Rather know more about the reapers by saving that base. Silly not taking the opportunity to learn about a major galactic threat just because of trust issues with TIM. TIM is an enemy I'm more familiar with and have a greater chance taking out than fighting the reapers blind.

How You know that TIM isn't new "Saren" and hole purpose was about to get knowledge to reach the reapers?

[Inverness Moon]

kraidy1117 wrote...

mosor wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Now blowing the collector base or not is hard choise. It could provide new knowledge, but to who and what purpose. Also can you keep that base for you self and how long. I don't think that territory was friendly. Also who is TIM? Is he even human?

Rather know more about the reapers by saving that base. Silly not taking the opportunity to learn about a major galactic threat just because of trust issues with TIM. TIM is an enemy I'm more familiar with and have a greater chance taking out than fighting the reapers blind.

Yes, lets destory the Reapers, but lets leave a Reaper factory intact o it can build more Reapers, and lets give it to TIM Ya thats just plain stupid. The base is gone and I will defeat the Reapers without it

I think it's quite ridiculous for anyone to think TIM would use the collector base to build a reaper, considering exactly what is required to do it.

[kraidy1117]

Barquiel wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

I am rouge at the end of ME2......

Cerberus would be good, if TIM was not leading it, I don't trust TIM at all.

same here
Kelly should replace him^_^
She loves humanity, but she also loves asari, quarians, turians,...

Nah, us at the Miri thread think Miri should become TIW, she is perfect for the job and would do a great job.

I agree, Miranda is a good choice as well

Nobody controls cerberus, that's the problem
Salarian STGs and Asari commandos all answer to their respective governments. Cerberus answers to a single unelected individual (with freaky eyes)...who is accountable to no one.

Ya, Cerberus needs a good leader,there are no diffrent then STG and Spectres, however it's Cerberus leader thats the problem. I always say what's worse? Keeping a organization that has a dark past but it now has a new and better leader or keep an organization thatonce had a man who almost destoryed all life as we know and killed so many inocents? If the Spectres are allowed to continue, then Cerberus is allowed too under a diffrent leader.

[kraidy1117]

Inverness Moon wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

mosor wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Now blowing the collector base or not is hard choise. It could provide new knowledge, but to who and what purpose. Also can you keep that base for you self and how long. I don't think that territory was friendly. Also who is TIM? Is he even human?

Rather know more about the reapers by saving that base. Silly not taking the opportunity to learn about a major galactic threat just because of trust issues with TIM. TIM is an enemy I'm more familiar with and have a greater chance taking out than fighting the reapers blind.

Yes, lets destory the Reapers, but lets leave a Reaper factory intact o it can build more Reapers, and lets give it to TIM Ya thats just plain stupid. The base is gone and I will defeat the Reapers without it

I think it's quite ridiculous for anyone to think TIM would use the collector base to build a reaper, considering exactly what is required to do it.

TIm would do it if it let him take control of all the other races and put humans on top, then the Reaper would turn on them and hell would breakout. Everything Cerberus touchs blows up in there face because TIM does not take responsibilty for anything.

[Barquiel]

Inverness Moon wrote...

I think it's quite ridiculous for anyone to think TIM would use the collector base to build a reaper, considering exactly what is required to do it.

The base's single purpose is to build a reaper. Did you see TIMs smile?

Modifié par Barquiel, 18 mai 2010 - 08:17 .

[mosor]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

mosor wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Now blowing the collector base or not is hard choise. It could provide new knowledge, but to who and what purpose. Also can you keep that base for you self and how long. I don't think that territory was friendly. Also who is TIM? Is he even human?

Rather know more about the reapers by saving that base. Silly not taking the opportunity to learn about a major galactic threat just because of trust issues with TIM. TIM is an enemy I'm more familiar with and have a greater chance taking out than fighting the reapers blind.

Yes, lets destory the Reapers, but lets leave a Reaper factory intact o it can build more Reapers, and lets give it to TIM Ya thats just plain stupid. The base is gone and I will defeat the Reapers without it

I think it's quite ridiculous for anyone to think TIM would use the collector base to build a reaper, considering exactly what is required to do it.

TIm would do it if it let him take control of all the other races and put humans on top, then the Reaper would turn on them and hell would breakout. Everything Cerberus touchs blows up in there face because TIM does not take responsibilty for anything.

Building a reaper is impractcal even for cerberus. It took tens of thousands of humans just to build an embryo. Never mind the millions he would need to complete it.  Even a suped up cerberus wouldn't have the might to do that. Most likely Cerberus would look for tech to make humanity more powerful and fight the reapers better than actually making a whole reaper.

[Sand King]

[kraidy1117]

mosor wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

mosor wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Now blowing the collector base or not is hard choise. It could provide new knowledge, but to who and what purpose. Also can you keep that base for you self and how long. I don't think that territory was friendly. Also who is TIM? Is he even human?

Rather know more about the reapers by saving that base. Silly not taking the opportunity to learn about a major galactic threat just because of trust issues with TIM. TIM is an enemy I'm more familiar with and have a greater chance taking out than fighting the reapers blind.

Yes, lets destory the Reapers, but lets leave a Reaper factory intact o it can build more Reapers, and lets give it to TIM Ya thats just plain stupid. The base is gone and I will defeat the Reapers without it

I think it's quite ridiculous for anyone to think TIM would use the collector base to build a reaper, considering exactly what is required to do it.

TIm would do it if it let him take control of all the other races and put humans on top, then the Reaper would turn on them and hell would breakout. Everything Cerberus touchs blows up in there face because TIM does not take responsibilty for anything.

Building a reaper is impractcal even for cerberus. It took tens of thousands of humans just to build an embryo. Never mind the millions he would need to complete it.  Even a suped up cerberus wouldn't have the might to do that. Most likely Cerberus would look for tech to make humanity more powerful and fight the reapers better than actually making a whole reaper.

Did you see TIM's evil smile? He is not going to just use it to defeat the Reapers, if you don't think that then you are blind and as Martin Sheen himself said. "I don't even trust TIM" TIM is not to be trusted, thats how Bioware made him, and even his VA says not to trust him. TIm needs to die.

[mosor]

Barquiel wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

I think it's quite ridiculous for anyone to think TIM would use the collector base to build a reaper, considering exactly what is required to do it.

The base's single purpose is to build a reaper. Did you see TIMs smile?

Yes and auchwitz's main purpose was to exterminate jews. Preserving it allowed it to be repurposed it for a nobler goal. Not saying cerberus is noble, but there is plenty of tech there that could be used to understand and fight the reapers better. Hell those nano bots were great at tearing up humans and building a reaper. You don't think there is even the smallest chance those nano bots can be made to work in reverse and disintergrate a reaper?

[Apocalypse89]

Remember what EDI says about Cerberus' structure: They are a bunch of individual cells that operate in complete isolation from each other. What TIM shows you of Cerberus is what he wants you to see. He knows that Shepard, even Renegade Shepard, is a relatively heroic and idealistic guy and so puts on the whole "Oh we're just a bunch of misunderstood good guys" nice face.

What we see in ME1, the novels, and between the lines in ME2 says otherwise. Cerberus are not nice people, they are human supremacists who want to dominate the galaxy, no matter how many innocent human or alien lives they have to sacrifice. They don't want to just stop the Reaper threat, they want to stop it and make sure they're on top afterwards.

Giving them the Collector Base is a huge disaster waiting to happen.

[mosor]

Apocalypse89 wrote...

Remember what EDI says about Cerberus' structure: They are a bunch of individual cells that operate in complete isolation from each other. What TIM shows you of Cerberus is what he wants you to see. He knows that Shepard, even Renegade Shepard, is a relatively heroic and idealistic guy and so puts on the whole "Oh we're just a bunch of misunderstood good guys" nice face.

What we see in ME1, the novels, and between the lines in ME2 says otherwise. Cerberus are not nice people, they are human supremacists who want to dominate the galaxy, no matter how many innocent human or alien lives they have to sacrifice. They don't want to just stop the Reaper threat, they want to stop it and make sure they're on top afterwards.

Giving them the Collector Base is a huge disaster waiting to happen.

Yes and maybe destroying the base is a missed opportunity to avert disaster. Bioware did a great job with cerberus if people are more fearful of them then they are of the reapers.

[Barquiel]

mosor wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

I think it's quite ridiculous for anyone to think TIM would use the collector base to build a reaper, considering exactly what is required to do it.

The base's single purpose is to build a reaper. Did you see TIMs smile?

Yes and auchwitz's main purpose was to exterminate jews. Preserving it allowed it to be repurposed it for a nobler goal. Not saying cerberus is noble, but there is plenty of tech there that could be used to understand and fight the reapers better. Hell those nano bots were great at tearing up humans and building a reaper. You don't think there is even the smallest chance those nano bots can be made to work in reverse and disintergrate a reaper?

a memorial place?

EDI scanned the base's database and received all the available data on the reapers. We don't have to keep it.
Collector tech is useless unless you want to make a reaper
reaper > citadel fleet
Normandy SR2 (one ship) > collector ship
Collector tech isn't very advanced

[Inverness Moon]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

I think it's quite ridiculous for anyone to think TIM would use the collector base to build a reaper, considering exactly what is required to do it.

TIm would do it if it let him take control of all the other races and put humans on top, then the Reaper would turn on them and hell would breakout. Everything Cerberus touchs blows up in there face because TIM does not take responsibilty for anything.

That is not very well thought out. It would take millions of humans to create a reaper, TIM would have Shepard and the rest of the galaxy on his ass long before he could come near completing it. Also remember that we're trying to find a way to defeat the reapers that already exist, if we manage to do all that, then what is TIM expecting to be able to do with a single one?

Imho, theories like this come from cliched ways of thinking.

Barquiel wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

I think it's quite ridiculous for anyone to think TIM would use the collector base to build a reaper, considering exactly what is required to do it.

The base's single purpose is to build a reaper. Did you see TIMs smile?

Nonsense. The technology of the base would assist in devising a way to destroy the reapers and build other advanced technology and weapons.

I also doubt that the only thing the base can do is build a reaper.

TIM's smile is hardly relevant.

Modifié par Inverness Moon, 18 mai 2010 - 08:40 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Shandepared wrote...

Barquiel wrote...


EDI scanned the base's database and received all the available data on the reapers. We don't have to keep it.

So tell me then, why did TIM ask you to keep it at all if there was nothing to be gained from it?

To have instant access to a lot of dangerous tech.

[Barquiel]

Shandepared wrote...

Barquiel wrote...


EDI scanned the base's database and received all the available data on the reapers. We don't have to keep it.

So tell me then, why did TIM ask you to keep it at all if there was nothing to be gained from it?

He wants to build a reaper?

[Apocalypse89]

mosor wrote...

Apocalypse89 wrote...

Remember what EDI says about Cerberus' structure: They are a bunch of individual cells that operate in complete isolation from each other. What TIM shows you of Cerberus is what he wants you to see. He knows that Shepard, even Renegade Shepard, is a relatively heroic and idealistic guy and so puts on the whole "Oh we're just a bunch of misunderstood good guys" nice face.

What we see in ME1, the novels, and between the lines in ME2 says otherwise. Cerberus are not nice people, they are human supremacists who want to dominate the galaxy, no matter how many innocent human or alien lives they have to sacrifice. They don't want to just stop the Reaper threat, they want to stop it and make sure they're on top afterwards.

Giving them the Collector Base is a huge disaster waiting to happen.

Yes and maybe destroying the base is a missed opportunity to avert disaster. Bioware did a great job with cerberus if people are more fearful of them then they are of the reapers.

Or maybe, because they put their lust for power ahead of saving the galaxy, they could potentially do something that aids the Reapers(eg. the base or part of it indoctrinating whoever's inside it), or just plain getting in the way of fighting the Reapers.

Reaper tech has a history of screwing over whoever tries to use it.
Cerberus has a history of blowing up their experiments in their own faces or someone else's.

Putting those two together isn't a good idea. Shepard has enough trouble dealing with the Reapers without also having to worry about Cerberus' shenanigans.

[mosor]

Barquiel wrote...

a memorial place?

EDI scanned the base's database and received all the available data on the reapers. We don't have to keep it.
Collector tech is useless unless you want to make a reaper
reaper > citadel fleet
Normandy SR2 (one ship) > collector ship
Collector tech isn't very advanced

1. Doesn't matter. Just saying because something was used for evil, doesn't mean it to keeping being used for evil

2.  EDI scanned the databases great. Without the physical machinery and tech, a lot of that data could be useless.

3. Nonsese about the collector tech. GM's plant specificiallty makes cars. However if I captured that plant, I can learn a lot without being forced to make cars. I can learn about assembly lines, robotics, internal combustion engines, computers, energy, rubber, welding techniques, all kinds of interesting things that applies to everyday society without building a single automobile.

4. Who says collector tech isn't very advanced? It's actually highly advanced since collectors would routinely trade their tech for genetic specimins to mercenaries and pirates. These people wouldn't waste their time on non advanced tech.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Er, he can't just build another base like that out of nothing. He needs this particular one.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 18 mai 2010 - 08:43 .

[Inverness Moon]

Barquiel wrote...

a memorial place?

EDI scanned the base's database and received all the available data on the reapers. We don't have to keep it.
Collector tech is useless unless you want to make a reaper
reaper > citadel fleet
Normandy SR2 (one ship) > collector ship
Collector tech isn't very advanced

Collector tech isn't very advanced? Have you been paying attention to what has happened in the game at all? The only reason Sovereign was defeated is because it took personal control of Saren's corpse. The fleet was not even able to scratch it before then, it plowed straight through some turian cruisers without flinching. And if you've been paying attention in ME2 you'd know that the collectors were infamous because of their advanced technology that they traded to other species in exchange for specimens and odd things. In the beginning of ME2, the Normandy SR1, one of the most advanced ships in the galaxy with a unique stealth system, was easily destroyed by a directed energy weapon from a collector ship. And you're going to tell me collector tech isn't very advanced?

Let's also note that the Thanix Cannons on the Normandy SR2 were reverse engineered from reaper tech, which would most likely be available to the collectors if they're intending to build a reaper.

[kraidy1117]

Inverness Moon wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

I think it's quite ridiculous for anyone to think TIM would use the collector base to build a reaper, considering exactly what is required to do it.

TIm would do it if it let him take control of all the other races and put humans on top, then the Reaper would turn on them and hell would breakout. Everything Cerberus touchs blows up in there face because TIM does not take responsibilty for anything.

That is not very well thought out. It would take millions of humans to create a reaper, TIM would have Shepard and the rest of the galaxy on his ass long before he could come near completing it. Also remember that we're trying to find a way to defeat the reapers that already exist, if we manage to do all that, then what is TIM expecting to be able to do with a single one?

Imho, theories like this come from cliched ways of thinking.

Barquiel wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

I think it's quite ridiculous for anyone to think TIM would use the collector base to build a reaper, considering exactly what is required to do it.

The base's single purpose is to build a reaper. Did you see TIMs smile?

Nonsense. The technology of the base would assist in devising a way to destroy the reapers and build other advanced technology and weapons.

I also doubt that the only thing the base can do is build a reaper.

TIM's smile is hardly relevant.

Shepard dies in the final fight. Giving TIM the Base is not smart because there will be a long-term backlash.

[kraidy1117]

Inverness Moon wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

a memorial place?

EDI scanned the base's database and received all the available data on the reapers. We don't have to keep it.
Collector tech is useless unless you want to make a reaper
reaper > citadel fleet
Normandy SR2 (one ship) > collector ship
Collector tech isn't very advanced

Collector tech isn't very advanced? Have you been paying attention to what has happened in the game at all? The only reason Sovereign was defeated is because it took personal control of Saren's corpse. The fleet was not even able to scratch it before then, it plowed straight through some turian cruisers without flinching. And if you've been paying attention in ME2 you'd know that the collectors were infamous because of their advanced technology that they traded to other species in exchange for specimens and odd things. In the beginning of ME2, the Normandy SR1, one of the most advanced ships in the galaxy with a unique stealth system, was easily destroyed by a directed energy weapon from a collector ship. And you're going to tell me collector tech isn't very advanced?

Let's also note that the Thanix Cannons on the Normandy SR2 were reverse engineered from reaper tech, which would most likely be available to the collectors if they're intending to build a reaper.

You can still take down the Collector cruiser without the Thanic cannon, try again.