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[Inverness Moon]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

I think it's quite ridiculous for anyone to think TIM would use the collector base to build a reaper, considering exactly what is required to do it.

TIm would do it if it let him take control of all the other races and put humans on top, then the Reaper would turn on them and hell would breakout. Everything Cerberus touchs blows up in there face because TIM does not take responsibilty for anything.

That is not very well thought out. It would take millions of humans to create a reaper, TIM would have Shepard and the rest of the galaxy on his ass long before he could come near completing it. Also remember that we're trying to find a way to defeat the reapers that already exist, if we manage to do all that, then what is TIM expecting to be able to do with a single one?

Imho, theories like this come from cliched ways of thinking.

Barquiel wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

I think it's quite ridiculous for anyone to think TIM would use the collector base to build a reaper, considering exactly what is required to do it.

The base's single purpose is to build a reaper. Did you see TIMs smile?

Nonsense. The technology of the base would assist in devising a way to destroy the reapers and build other advanced technology and weapons.

I also doubt that the only thing the base can do is build a reaper.

TIM's smile is hardly relevant.

Shepard dies in the final fight. Giving TIM the Base is not smart because there will be a long-term backlash.

I don't know about you, but my Shepard, and everyone on the team, survived the collector base. So he is not dead. And don't even tell me that you're trying to predict how ME3 goes.

And if by long-term backlash you mean humanity gaining the most advanced tech in the galaxy then I have no problem with that. I don't know what else you could mean.

[Inverness Moon]

kraidy1117 wrote...

You can still take down the Collector cruiser without the Thanic cannon, try again.

I know you can, you missed the point entirely. The point being that reverse engineering reaper tech is responsible for saving the life of one of your team members.

[Barquiel]

Inverness Moon wrote...

And if by long-term backlash you mean humanity gaining the most advanced tech in the galaxy then I have no problem with that. I don't know what else you could mean.

again...

Normandy SR2
-asari ship armor
-Thannix canon/Javelin Disruptor Torpedoes
-Tali's shield
vs.
collector ship
-collector tech
Who won?

I doubt the Collectors have anything that will help against the reaper fleet  if they are not able to destroy one frigate.

[Jesusland]

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Folks, the Reapers are coming. They are COMING!!! lol Do you not understand what that means? History has shown that the most technological race always wins. ALWAYS. Look how few conquistadors it took to topple the Aztec! The real world is not like Avatar. In the real world advanced tech always prevails. Reaper tech is FAR in advance of ours. We can not defeat them in a conventional war-- UNLESS WE UPGRADE OUR TECH. That's why Shephard had to save the base. Cerberus may be for human supremacism, but their goal is not to wipe out galactic civilization. Do not forget who the REAL enemy is-- THE REAPERS!!!!

[Jedi Master of Orion]

But it's still possible. That means it is vulnerable to weapons that Cerberus is capable of constructing. I also think that Sovereign could have been defeated if it wasn't for Shepard killing Saren, in the right circumstances. I got the impression that Sovereign was being damaged through out the battle. Vigil stated that Reapers are not invincible.



With that said, I think it's a foolish idea to destroy the base. TIM was right when he said "Who knows what technology we could find here." If there is nothing useful then so be it, but there's an enormous potential of useful information that MIGHT be there. You don't know until you explore the base.

[Inverness Moon]

Barquiel wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

And if by long-term backlash you mean humanity gaining the most advanced tech in the galaxy then I have no problem with that. I don't know what else you could mean.

again...

Normandy SR2
-asari ship armor
-Thannix canon/Javelin Disruptor Torpedoes
-Tali's shield
vs.
collector ship
-collector tech
Who won?

I doubt the Collectors have anything that will help against the reaper fleet  if they are not able to destroy one frigate.

They did destroy one frigate, the SR1.

Also, remember that the Thannix Canon was made from reaper tech. Also, I believe this is a point that is trying to be made for those paragons, that we're stronger when we work together.

Still, the idea that a base being used to build a reaper would not be useful in Shepard's mission to destroy the reapers is a tad ridiculous.

[Asheer_Khan]

Jesusland wrote...

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Folks, the Reapers are coming. They are COMING!!! lol Do you not understand what that means? History has shown that the most technological race always wins. ALWAYS. Look how few conquistadors it took to topple the Aztec! The real world is not like Avatar. In the real world advanced tech always prevails. Reaper tech is FAR in advance of ours. We can not defeat them in a conventional war-- UNLESS WE UPGRADE OUR TECH. That's why Shephard had to save the base. Cerberus may be for human supremacism, but their goal is not to wipe out galactic civilization. Do not forget who the REAL enemy is-- THE REAPERS!!!!

And when reapers threat will gone TiM will whit his sweet smile turn his personal "reaper" fleet  against Citadel AND The Alliance...


What we need to beat Harby and co are completely new generation of ship drive allowed ships to travel fast at the long distances  WITHOUT necessity of using Mass Relays (Warp drive, Slipstream or transwarp wanabe) making isolation tactic used by reapers to wipe out Protheans useless and completely unknown for Reapers weapons systems.

Modifié par Asheer_Khan, 18 mai 2010 - 09:05 .

[Jesusland]

Shandepared wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

And when reapers threat will gone TiM will whit his sweet smile turn his personal "reaper" fleet  against Citadel AND The Alliance...

How's he going to build an entire Reaper fleet in secret?

It's a big galaxy.  Regardless, that's a bridge we'll cross when we get to it.  One enemy at a time.  TIM might want to conquer the galaxy, but HE DOESN'T WANT TO DESTROY ALL LIFE IN THE GALAXY.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Shandepared wrote...

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

But it's still possible. That means it is vulnerable to weapons that Cerberus is capable of constructing. I also think that Sovereign could have been defeated if it wasn't for Shepard killing Saren, in the right circumstances. I got the impression that Sovereign was being damaged through out the battle. Vigil stated that Reapers are not invincible.

 
How many ships did Sovereign take down before it died? Stop and think for a moment here. If you think we can win the war by fighting with the same losses we took against Sovereign and the geth then you're an idiot.

I didn't say anything remotely like that, genuis. I was refering to that specific fight.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 18 mai 2010 - 09:13 .

[Asheer_Khan]

Jesusland wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

And when reapers threat will gone TiM will whit his sweet smile turn his personal "reaper" fleet  against Citadel AND The Alliance...

How's he going to build an entire Reaper fleet in secret?

It's a big galaxy.  Regardless, that's a bridge we'll cross when we get to it.  One enemy at a time.  TIM might want to conquer the galaxy, but HE DOESN'T WANT TO DESTROY ALL LIFE IN THE GALAXY.

No, all he want is enslave other species under banner of the Human Empire guarded by his supersoldiers on board of the ships equiped whit Reaper tech.

And since to pass Omega 4 is required Reaper IFF Timmy will have plenty of time in save from any Citadel intrusions place to create his own secret "reaper" fleet using C-base and thousands wreckages floating around her as resources.

So when reapers come he will be ready to initiate his greatest plan...

EDIT: TiM doesyn't need to build full scale reapers.

All he need are ships of Dreadnougth size equiped whit reaper weapons and shields and of course EDI type AIs able to perform full scale electronic war.

No Alliance /Council fleet would stand off against such ships.

Modifié par Asheer_Khan, 18 mai 2010 - 09:17 .

[Inverness Moon]

Jesusland wrote...

It's a big galaxy.  Regardless, that's a bridge we'll cross when we get to it.  One enemy at a time.  TIM might want to conquer the galaxy, but HE DOESN'T WANT TO DESTROY ALL LIFE IN THE GALAXY.

Asheer_Khan wrote...

And when reapers threat will gone TiM will whit his sweet smile turn his personal "reaper" fleet  against Citadel AND The Alliance...

Ah yes, the Illusive Man, a cliched bad guy who wants to conquer the galaxy with a fleet of reaper ships. We have dismissed these claims.

Honestly, my new pet peeve is when people assume TIM wants to conquer the galaxy. It is entirely cliched, unintelligent, and beneath the great character that BioWare has written. Some people just can't seem to think outside of the box.

Shandepared wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

No, all he want is enslave other species under banner of the Human Empire guarded by his supersoldiers on board of the ships equiped whit Reaper tech.

With sensationalist rhetoric like that you should be a journalist.

TIM has never once said he wants to ensalve anybody. That is not what Cerberus is about. What they want is for humanity to be the biggest player on the field. Nothing more, nothing less.

I feel like I've seen you say that before. I'm glad you have a head on your shoulders.

Modifié par Inverness Moon, 18 mai 2010 - 09:16 .

[Jesusland]

I think TIM wants humanity to be the sole superpower, that doesn't mean conquest, it means supremacy. Like the U.S. We are the sole superpower, but that doesn't mean we are as bad as the Reapers.

[Inverness Moon]

Jesusland wrote...

I think TIM wants humanity to be the sole superpower, that doesn't mean conquest, it means supremacy. Like the U.S. We are the sole superpower, but that doesn't mean we are as bad as the Reapers.

This is also what I think his goal is. He wants humanity to be sovereign and not beholden to the decisions of the Citadel Council or any other entity.

Shandepared wrote...

Jesusland wrote...

I think TIM wants humanity to be the sole superpower, that doesn't mean conquest, it means supremacy. Like the U.S. We are the sole superpower, but that doesn't mean we are as bad as the Reapers.

Plenty of people seem to think so. U.S. is the Reapers and George W. Bush is Saren.

So I guess that means Dick Cheney is Sovereign?

Modifié par Inverness Moon, 18 mai 2010 - 09:25 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Good point on the Thanix Cannon, guys.

I'm still inclined to see it as merely the spoils of war, though, whereas the Collector Base feels more like... a living creature... something evil.

Jesusland wrote...

I think TIM wants humanity to be the sole superpower, that doesn't mean conquest, it means supremacy. Like the U.S. We are the sole superpower, but that doesn't mean we are as bad as the Reapers.

Not from your own point of view, that is. But let's not get too in-depth on politics: the mods don't like that.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 18 mai 2010 - 09:28 .

[eternalnightmare13]

Andrew_Waltfeld wrote...

Madman123456 wrote...
 Also, some Cerberus People think that going 5 Days without a fatal Accident at work is something to be bragged about.

O i thought that was used to give you an time frame of how long ago the scientists went missing/started killing each other on the reaper.

Exactly.  Where I work irl they keep tally of this stuff on a posting.  If there were an incident/accident they would return to 0 days without an accident.  Not necessarily a fatality.  A lot of industrial work places have this.  Not bragging but I believe OSHA requires all employees to be aware.  Not much different then what they did in game.

[Jesusland]

Shandepared wrote...

Jesusland wrote...

I think TIM wants humanity to be the sole superpower, that doesn't mean conquest, it means supremacy. Like the U.S. We are the sole superpower, but that doesn't mean we are as bad as the Reapers.

Plenty of people seem to think so. U.S. is the Reapers and George W. Bush is Saren.

Sure, that's how some morons think.  But if aliens came to conquer the Earth, George W. Bush would have been their best chance at survival.  America always saves the world.

[Inverness Moon]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Good point on the Thanix Cannon, guys.

I'm still inclined to see it as merely the spoils of war, though, whereas the Collector Base feels more like... a living creature... something evil.

The reapers are the living things that secretly indoctrinate you, the collector base is just a collector base, a very valuable collector base.

Some people also make the assumption that people who go to the collector base might be indoctrinated, which seems unlikely. Those same people also assume that Cerberus or anyone else can never learn to detect an indoctrination field or develop a countermeasure for it. No confidence.