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[Inverness Moon]

Shandepared wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

So I guess that means Dick Cheney is Sovereign?

Now we have to figure out who Barack Obama is.

Harbinger. "Salvation through destruction." "We will find another way." etc.

Modifié par Inverness Moon, 18 mai 2010 - 09:32 .

[Lumikki]

In the end it doesn't matter.



Like between ME1 and ME2, it did not make any different did player save the council or not. That's because the story did not continue sameways, but different ways. So, we can assume that ME3 story is something different, where collectors and they base aren't part of it.

[CherryColaLola]

amcnow wrote...

If I had it my way, I'd ditch all of them and be my own man. Jack Bauer-like; get the job done with efficiency and without all the red tape.

Totally. I wanted to take Jack up on her offer to be my first mate and lead the boarding party when we go pirate. 

I so want the option to go full renegade criminal pirate badass.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Inverness Moon wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Good point on the Thanix Cannon, guys.

I'm still inclined to see it as merely the spoils of war, though, whereas the Collector Base feels more like... a living creature... something evil.

The reapers are the living things that secretly indoctrinate you, the collector base is just a collector base, a very valuable collector base.

Some people also make the assumption that people who go to the collector base might be indoctrinated, which seems unlikely. Those same people also assume that Cerberus or anyone else can never learn to detect an indoctrination field or develop a countermeasure for it. No confidence.

Meh, call me a ****, but I like to play as "safe" as possible. I don't exactly trust TIM with something so dangerous/powerful, just like I don't like my galaxy overrun with rachni.

No need to take unnecessary risks, even when death is the only other option.

[Asheer_Khan]

IF humanity want to be galactic superpower (good joke by the way) then WHY they even accept invitation to establish relationships whit the Citadel when they known that any official status there will kick off any chance to creating large fleet of powerful ships?



And on the other hands, believe me... Turians only wait for any reason to settle FC War score whit humans so any actions against Council will only please them to prepare for FC War- round two.

But this time... there will be no one who will stop them when Turian fleet will appear on Earth's orbit.

[Inverness Moon]

Lumikki wrote...

In the end it doesn't matter.

Like between ME1 and ME2, it did not make any different did player save the council or not. That's because the story did not continue sameways, but different ways. So, we can assume that ME3 story is something different, where collectors and they base aren't part of it.

I'm sure it will all matter in ME3. Remember that more variance in ME2 would have exponentially increased the number of permutations in ME3, so naturally they had to hold off on some stuff. I'm sure the decision to save the Council and the collector base or not will have a more significant impact in ME3.

[Inverness Moon]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Inverness Moon wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Good point on the Thanix Cannon, guys.

I'm still inclined to see it as merely the spoils of war, though, whereas the Collector Base feels more like... a living creature... something evil.

The reapers are the living things that secretly indoctrinate you, the collector base is just a collector base, a very valuable collector base.

Some people also make the assumption that people who go to the collector base might be indoctrinated, which seems unlikely. Those same people also assume that Cerberus or anyone else can never learn to detect an indoctrination field or develop a countermeasure for it. No confidence.

Meh, call me a ****, but I like to play as "safe" as possible. I don't exactly trust TIM with something so dangerous/powerful, just like I don't like my galaxy overrun with rachni.

No need to take unnecessary risks, even when death is the only other option.

If you wanted to play as "safe" as possible, you must have sold Legion to Cerberus, right?

You don't get very far in life by playing it safe and not taking any risks.

[CherryColaLola]

On the other hand, it's kind of hard to turn your back on an organization that spent billions of credits on you to bring you back to life. I mean, whoa, kind of a mind trip there. Who knows, maybe TIM will bail you out again when your auto-asphixiated in a tragic romance related cutscene in ME 3.

Modifié par CherryColaLola, 18 mai 2010 - 09:46 .

[eternalnightmare13]

Jesusland wrote...

It's obvious Cerberus are supposed to be the "bad guys", but that's now what I've seen so far.  The Council are racist, ungrateful do-nothings, and the Alliance betrayed Shephard by denying the Reaper threat.  And look how easy Ashley disowned Shephard after everything he did in ME1.  Shameful.  So why should Shephard keep bending over for them?  Meanwhile, Cerberus is getting the job done and has the best interests of humanity at heart, and is giving Shep everything he needs to complete the mission.  Sure, maybe TIM is a bit shady, but so far he doesn't strike me as worse than Udina and the Council.  They are all asses.  That's why I saved the Collector base for him.  Because Cerberus is the only one doing anything about the Reaper threat.  And M2 hasn't given me any REAL indication that TIM is such a bad guy.  I wanted to be loyal to the Alliance, but they betrayed Shep.  Shep is a Cerberus man now.

I agree with you about Shep/Cerebus and the Alliance/Citadel Council.  I see them as being a by any means necessary philosphy.  That appeals to me in a RP sense with my renegade.  It did irk me when TIM sent my Shep into a trap.  I thought about it later and realized it isn't out of character for TIM.  Cerebus has always taken extreme steps and risks with their projects and missions.  High risk equals high reward.  It was defintely unorthodox, especially when compared to the military ops Shep has grown accoustom to.  But for my renegade Shep he sees the old ways of politics and military beaucracy going nowhere.  He may not agree with the methods but the end results have justified themselves. 

[Inverness Moon]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

IF humanity want to be galactic superpower (good joke by the way) then WHY they even accept invitation to establish relationships whit the Citadel when they known that any official status there will kick off any chance to creating large fleet of powerful ships?

We're talking about what Cerberus wants for humanity, not what humanity as a whole wants, which is something we don't know.

[Jesusland]

TIM is not worse than the Reapers. That's all you really need to know folks!

[Bigdoser]

Shandepared wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...


Meh, call me a ****, but I like to play as "safe" as possible. I don't exactly trust TIM with something so dangerous/powerful, just like I don't like my galaxy overrun with rachni.

No need to take unnecessary risks, even when death is the only other option.

Playing it safe would be keeping the base because otherwise you don't know if you'll stand a chance against the Reapers. The base is your best bet to gain valuable intel on the Reapers, giving you an advantage. However you pissed it away because you're afraid.

What Kaiser is saying is valid we don't know if TIM might do something stupid with the base and we may end up cleaning up his mess don't act like your point is the only valid one.

[Inverness Moon]

Shandepared wrote...

Bigdoser wrote...

What Kaiser is saying is valid we don't know if TIM might do something stupid with the base and we may end up cleaning up his mess don't act like your point is the only valid one.

What stupid thing would TIM do with the base? He wants to advance and save humanity. Why don't you trust him to do that? The only reason you are on the cusp of this victory is because of TIM's support, and NOW you doubt him?

TIM also might slip on a banana peel and break his neck. TIM is not a stupid person. Humanity's continued survival depends on the defeat of the reapers, I trust TIM to use the collector base to work towards that.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

kraidy1117 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

kraidy1117 wrote...

I am rouge at the end of ME2......

Cerberus would be good, if TIM was not leading it, I don't trust TIM at all.

same here
Kelly should replace him^_^
She loves humanity, but she also loves asari, quarians, turians,...

Nah, us at the Miri thread think Miri should become TIW, she is perfect for the job and would do a great job.

Speak for yourself Kraidy, Jack Bauer Shepard is quite happy working for TIM just as Miri is.

The Cerberus Totalitarian Unit is going to kick Reaper butt in ME3

[Pacifien]

Shandepared wrote...
What stupid thing would TIM do with the base? He wants to advance and save humanity. Why don't you trust him to do that? The only reason you are on the cusp of this victory is because of TIM's support, and NOW you doubt him?

I doubt him pretty much every step of the way.

[Bigdoser]

Shandepared wrote...

Bigdoser wrote...

What Kaiser is saying is valid we don't know if TIM might do something stupid with the base and we may end up cleaning up his mess don't act like your point is the only valid one.

What stupid thing would TIM do with the base? He wants to advance and save humanity. Why don't you trust him to do that? The only reason you are on the cusp of this victory is because of TIM's support, and NOW you doubt him?

I always doubted him. Even some of his own operatives doubt him.

Modifié par Bigdoser, 18 mai 2010 - 10:18 .

[GreenDragon37]

Bigdoser wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

Bigdoser wrote...

What Kaiser is saying is valid we don't know if TIM might do something stupid with the base and we may end up cleaning up his mess don't act like your point is the only valid one.

What stupid thing would TIM do with the base? He wants to advance and save humanity. Why don't you trust him to do that? The only reason you are on the cusp of this victory is because of TIM's support, and NOW you doubt him?

I always doubted him.

 
Amen to that!

[Lumikki]

Jesusland wrote...

TIM is not worse than the Reapers. That's all you really need to know folks!

Assuming that TIM isn't same side than reapers and used Shepard to clear up they possible enemy who was building they own version of reaper, the collectors.

There is like millions of possibilities, what TIM can do and what's TIM motives. Good and bad. TIM could deside that only way to save humanity is build they own reapers and use some alien races as it's building material.

My Shepard does not trust TIM at all, but I don't think he is worst than reapers. How ever, I'm not sure he is human at all.

Modifié par Lumikki, 18 mai 2010 - 10:58 .

[uhdnrt]

How does he engender trust? He deliberately screws the virmire survivor, after lying about knowing where he/she was. He leaks information about your "involvement" with Cerberus to turn the Council even farther against you. He sends you into a trap at the collector ship.

That is what I can think of off the top of my head. Not counting what Cerberus was up to that may or may not have directly affected Shep that was revealed in ME1 (Akuze anyone?)

[Markinator_123]

What makes an Akuze survivor spectre material anyway? That wouldn't be my first choice as one. They are more likely to be mentally unstable and have their emotions dictate their decisions.

[Asheer_Khan]

Inverness Moon wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

IF humanity want to be galactic superpower (good joke by the way) then WHY they even accept invitation to establish relationships whit the Citadel when they known that any official status there will kick off any chance to creating large fleet of powerful ships?

We're talking about what Cerberus wants for humanity, not what humanity as a whole wants, which is something we don't know.

And WHO gives Cerberus and his wanabe emperor TiM right to speak in name of the Humanity?
They DON"T represent entire human race but they are as same paramilitary groups like IRA,. ETA  or AL QUEDA except tech level difference but whit same overgrown ego.

Modifié par Asheer_Khan, 18 mai 2010 - 11:01 .

[Bigdoser]

Even if I don't like cerb I don't think they are comparable with Al Queda.

[GreenDragon37]

Bigdoser wrote...

Even if I don't like cerb I don't think they are comparable with Al Queda.

Well, Jacob did say that they have been called terrorists, and that they have done a lot to justify that. Just saying.