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[Fraga500]

Reading all those "theories" about how Bioware guys work make me feel like the last guy on Earth. And still, the last guy who doesn't know anything.



I'm writing here because I wanna know where people get full access to Bioware's world domination plans, DLCs and patches. Is it a paid program like Big Brother, full of cameras in BW's headquarters, or some kind of developer diary?



Everyone seems to know more than the devs themselves - this pisses me off more than... waiting all this time to play Awakening!



Just sit back and wait for the patch! God dammit, there are a lot of other good games (for PC) calling your names guys. You'll find something. Or maybe try finding a social life. lol



(the last part was a joke, don't flame me)---

[FieryDove]

Fraga500 wrote...

Reading all those "theories" about how Bioware guys work make me feel like the last guy on Earth. And still, the last guy who doesn't know anything.

I'm writing here because I wanna know where people get full access to Bioware's world domination plans, DLCs and patches. Is it a paid program like Big Brother, full of cameras in BW's headquarters, or some kind of developer diary?

The only plans Bioware has are the ones they post and tell us about. They say they are working on a patch and I believe them.

The thing that annoy's me to no end is EA. Try writing ea support about da:a/1.03 and problems using a win7x64 system. All I get is sorry, da wasn't tested on win7 better luck next time. Maybe there will be no next time. (Until Bio leaves EA).

Signed -frustrated

[pvpgirl]

Fraga500 wrote...

 God dammit, there are a lot of other good games (for PC) calling your names guys. You'll find something. --

Best advice yet.  Personally, I'm looking at Darksiders and Modnation Racers right now.  Both non-EA titles..and that isn't an accident. 

As for the guy that said 'just turn off 1.03 if you don't like it'..aside from awakening, doesn't some of the recent DLC require 1.03?

[Kalcalan]

Any DLC after RTO requires 1.03 and that includes Awakening.

[Zy-El]

Wicked 702 wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
1.02a was a good patch, and if you didn't like any part of it (like the spell nerfs) you could mod that out. There's no reason to complain about the state of the game when BioWare has released a patch that solves the vast majority of problems and forces nothing unwanted onto you.
If you don't like 1.03 (I don't), then don't install 1.03 (I didn't). I'm very happy with the support BioWare has given DAO so far.

Congrats, you're on a PC. You have the ability to download fixes that community members had to make themselves because the developing company has failed to support its own product.

Now what do you suggest the other 2/3 of the users of this product do? (Console players) 1.03 was forced on us.

To make the assertion that the support Bioware has provided is adequate is frankly laughable. Mod fixes are not the same as real patchwork. They are temporary solutions to permanent problems. Come on.....

I agree with your points but at the same time, the consumer must take some of the responsibility for their choices.  Any knowledgable consumer would have researched the product before buying it.  I bought Origins in late December for $25 but didn't play it until almost a month later after reading the forum and getting a handle on all of the bugs.

If you buy Origins for a console, you must be aware of the limitations of console games.  Buying the PC version does open up the inclusion of mods and fixes by modders.  I'm a modder myself and quite logically, I bought the PC version.  There has never been a PERFECT game that did not come without bugs of some sort.  The consumer has to ask him/herself whether or not they can live with the known bugs and still enjoy the game for what it is.

As in anything else in this world, it is buyer beware! 

[Ildaron]

Zy-El wrote...

Wicked 702 wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
1.02a was a good patch, and if you didn't like any part of it (like the spell nerfs) you could mod that out. There's no reason to complain about the state of the game when BioWare has released a patch that solves the vast majority of problems and forces nothing unwanted onto you.
If you don't like 1.03 (I don't), then don't install 1.03 (I didn't). I'm very happy with the support BioWare has given DAO so far.

Congrats, you're on a PC. You have the ability to download fixes that community members had to make themselves because the developing company has failed to support its own product.

Now what do you suggest the other 2/3 of the users of this product do? (Console players) 1.03 was forced on us.

To make the assertion that the support Bioware has provided is adequate is frankly laughable. Mod fixes are not the same as real patchwork. They are temporary solutions to permanent problems. Come on.....

I agree with your points but at the same time, the consumer must take some of the responsibility for their choices.  Any knowledgable consumer would have researched the product before buying it.  I bought Origins in late December for $25 but didn't play it until almost a month later after reading the forum and getting a handle on all of the bugs.

If you buy Origins for a console, you must be aware of the limitations of console games.  Buying the PC version does open up the inclusion of mods and fixes by modders.  I'm a modder myself and quite logically, I bought the PC version.  There has never been a PERFECT game that did not come without bugs of some sort.  The consumer has to ask him/herself whether or not they can live with the known bugs and still enjoy the game for what it is.

As in anything else in this world, it is buyer beware! 

I did not find FF 13 to be a bug written horrible mess. I didn't find any bugs in it at all. So far I have not found anyone else who has either. Hmmm.... I guess if you have a company who will delay a product unless it is ready to be released, does a thoughough Quality Assurance testing you do find products which aren't buggy. The players and company have to want those standards however.

[pvpgirl]

Zy-El wrote...

I agree with your points but at the same time, the consumer must take some of the responsibility for their choices.  Any knowledgable consumer would have researched the product before buying it.  I bought Origins in late December for $25 but didn't play it until almost a month later after reading the forum and getting a handle on all of the bugs.


As in anything else in this world, it is buyer beware! 

Wait wait.  I'm confused.  You're saying that EAWare broke Dragon Age after we bought it, but it's our fault?

[Seifz]

mcomommy wrote...

Zy-El wrote...

I agree with your points but at the same time, the consumer must take some of the responsibility for their choices.  Any knowledgable consumer would have researched the product before buying it.  I bought Origins in late December for $25 but didn't play it until almost a month later after reading the forum and getting a handle on all of the bugs.


As in anything else in this world, it is buyer beware! 

Wait wait.  I'm confused.  You're saying that EAWare broke Dragon Age after we bought it, but it's our fault?

Yes, that's what he's saying.  Absolutely absurd.

[Demx]

mcomommy wrote...

Zy-El wrote...

I agree with your points but at the same time, the consumer must take some of the responsibility for their choices.  Any knowledgable consumer would have researched the product before buying it.  I bought Origins in late December for $25 but didn't play it until almost a month later after reading the forum and getting a handle on all of the bugs.


As in anything else in this world, it is buyer beware! 

Wait wait.  I'm confused.  You're saying that EAWare broke Dragon Age after we bought it, but it's our fault?

If everyone followed what Zy-El said no one would purchase video games because we are all waiting for some magical being to come in and tell us all the bugs in the game. The customer is never to blame for a buggy product, the company is to blame.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Kalcalan wrote...

FYI you can't play Awakening without 1.03.

That's beside the point.

You can choose to break your game by installing 1.03, or you can choose not to do so.

The same is true for the console players.  There's nothing stopping a console gamer from declining a patch unless they insist on playing while online (which for a single-player game is extraneous anyway).

Console gamers need to learn that they own that console, and they're allowed to make it do what they want.  You're not a slave to the manufacturer's preferences.

[Zy-El]

Siradix wrote...

mcomommy wrote...

Zy-El wrote...
I agree with your points but at the same time, the consumer must take some of the responsibility for their choices.  Any knowledgable consumer would have researched the product before buying it.  I bought Origins in late December for $25 but didn't play it until almost a month later after reading the forum and getting a handle on all of the bugs.
As in anything else in this world, it is buyer beware! 

Wait wait.  I'm confused.  You're saying that EAWare broke Dragon Age after we bought it, but it's our fault?

If everyone followed what Zy-El said no one would purchase video games because we are all waiting for some magical being to come in and tell us all the bugs in the game. The customer is never to blame for a buggy product, the company is to blame.

magical being = Internet

The customer is to blame for buying a product known to be bug-filled and then complaining about the known bugs afterwards.  Why did you buy the game in the first place, if you already knew it contained bugs?  Why did you buy Awakening when you already knew that Origins had lots of bugs from the outset?

Are you telling me that none of you did your research?    Who is to blame for that?? 

By your own admission, you've lined Bioware's pockets for buggy software.  Playing devil's (ie EA's) advocate.

I knew when I bought Origins that it was not perfect.  I knew when I bought Awakening that it had serious flaws.  Yes, I put my money forward and was willing to take the risks.  Therefore, I have no reason to complain about the bugs that I already knew were there.  I did my research.  I learned about the workarounds and the mods that would alleviate most of the bugs so that I could play and enjoy the game.  I did my due diligence.

To buy software that you already knew was buggy and then complain about it afterwards is DUH! 

Modifié par Zy-El, 31 mai 2010 - 06:20 .

[Casper]

Seriously now...the game is supposed to do what it says on the tin, namely WORK!



Of course NOW I do my own research before I buy because I had a couple of very bad experiences with other titles...HOWEVER, you are not really supposed to do it.

[Seifz]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Kalcalan wrote...

FYI you can't play Awakening without 1.03.

That's beside the point.

You can choose to break your game by installing 1.03, or you can choose not to do so.

We're talking about Awakening, here.  Patch 1.03 is not an option.

The same is true for the console players.  There's nothing stopping a console gamer from declining a patch unless they insist on playing while online (which for a single-player game is extraneous anyway).

Console gamers need to learn that they own that console, and they're allowed to make it do what they want.  You're not a slave to the manufacturer's preferences.

BS.  Why should someone have to lose functionality (online profiles, DLC) in order to keep the rest of the game functioning?  The patch is hardly optional on consoles, and again it's entirely necessary for Awakening.  Since we're talking about Awakening, it's not optional.

Besides, the console makers have almost total control over when you patch your system.  To give a recent example, I lost the "Other OS" functionality on my PS3 recently when I was forced to install the system update to play a new game that I purchased.  My choices were "gimp my PS3's functionality" or "don't play this game that you really want to play and don't play any future games, either".  What kind of choices are those?!  Bah!

[pvpgirl]

Zy-El wrote...

mcomommy wrote...

Wait wait.  I'm confused.  You're saying that EAWare broke Dragon Age after we bought it, but it's our fault?

The customer is to blame for buying a product known to be bug-filled and then complaining about the known bugs afterwards.  Why did you buy the game in the first place, if you already knew it contained bugs?  Why did you buy Awakening when you already knew that Origins had lots of bugs from the outset?

Are you telling me that none of you did your research?    Who is to blame for that?? 

By your own admission, you've lined Bioware's pockets for buggy software.  Playing devil's (ie EA's) advocate.

I knew when I bought Origins that it was not perfect.  I knew when I bought Awakening that it had serious flaws.  Yes, I put my money forward and was willing to take the risks.  Therefore, I have no reason to complain about the bugs that I already knew were there.  I did my research.  I learned about the workarounds and the mods that would alleviate most of the bugs so that I could play and enjoy the game.  I did my due diligence.

To buy software that you already knew was buggy and then complain about it afterwards is DUH! 

I was talking more about Origins, as were you if you bother to look at the post I was responding to.  1.03 broke Origins.  I bought Origins before patch 1.03.  As stated many times, if you install/play many of the dlc or Awakening, 1.03 is mandatory.  Duh yourself.  EAWare broke the game after I bought it and I will complain as I see fit.  Research means nothing when prior to buying the game, it was fine, minorly buggy, but rarely game breaking.   Now?  ha...good luck with that. 
Do you live in a world where all you do is sit around reading about bugs and waiting for developers to break games?  Bet you don't play many like that.

Modifié par mcomommy, 31 mai 2010 - 07:08 .

[Zy-El]

mcomommy wrote...
I was talking more about Origins.  1.03 broke Origins.  I bought Origins before patch 1.03.  As stated many times, if you install/play many of the dlc or Awakening, 1.03 is mandatory.  Duh yourself.  EAWare broke the game after I bought it and I will complain as I see fit.  Research means nothing when prior to buying the game, it was fine, minoryly buggy, but rarely game breaking.   Now?  ha...good luck with that.

Just to be clear . . . I'm calling your actions DUH, not calling you DUH.  We all sometimes make DUH moves given proper circumstances and hormones.    Just trying to keep things civil.

Anyways . . . like you, I bought Origins before patch 1.03.  One day, the banner to upgrade to patch 1.03 popped up on my game.  Naturally, I did some surfing on the Internet to determine the extent of the changes that this new patch contained.  Surprise, surprise . . . for what other players were posting, it broke a lot of things and ergo, I did not install it.  You could have done the same.

[pvpgirl]

I didn't install 1.03 until I purchased a DLC that required it. Go figure.

That's the reward I get for trying to be loyal to BioWare...cough...'scuze me...EAWare.

Modifié par mcomommy, 31 mai 2010 - 07:12 .

[Zy-El]

That's why I'm leery about buying any new DLC. I have Awakening and it works with patch 1.03 on my PC. Afraid to install any other DLC after that though for fear that it might corrupt what I've got now.

Modifié par Zy-El, 31 mai 2010 - 07:46 .

[pvpgirl]

Zy-El wrote...

That's why I'm leery about buying any new DLC. I have Awakening and it works with patch 1.03 on my PC. Afraid to install any other DLC after that though for fear that it might corrupt what I've got now.

You're better off.  I've had to reinstall the game like 13x's since I installed 1.03 due to various issues with DLC, glitches, crap dissappearing, etc.  Bah. 

[Murphys_Law]

Zy-El wrote...

Siradix wrote...

mcomommy wrote...

Zy-El wrote...
I agree with your points but at the same time, the consumer must take some of the responsibility for their choices.  Any knowledgable consumer would have researched the product before buying it.  I bought Origins in late December for $25 but didn't play it until almost a month later after reading the forum and getting a handle on all of the bugs.
As in anything else in this world, it is buyer beware! 

Wait wait.  I'm confused.  You're saying that EAWare broke Dragon Age after we bought it, but it's our fault?

If everyone followed what Zy-El said no one would purchase video games because we are all waiting for some magical being to come in and tell us all the bugs in the game. The customer is never to blame for a buggy product, the company is to blame.

magical being = Internet

The customer is to blame for buying a product known to be bug-filled and then complaining about the known bugs afterwards.  Why did you buy the game in the first place, if you already knew it contained bugs?  Why did you buy Awakening when you already knew that Origins had lots of bugs from the outset?

Are you telling me that none of you did your research?    Who is to blame for that?? 

By your own admission, you've lined Bioware's pockets for buggy software.  Playing devil's (ie EA's) advocate.

I knew when I bought Origins that it was not perfect.  I knew when I bought Awakening that it had serious flaws.  Yes, I put my money forward and was willing to take the risks.  Therefore, I have no reason to complain about the bugs that I already knew were there.  I did my research.  I learned about the workarounds and the mods that would alleviate most of the bugs so that I could play and enjoy the game.  I did my due diligence.

To buy software that you already knew was buggy and then complain about it afterwards is DUH! 

Just because someone has/knows a problem or several problems with a product and still buys it doesn't mean that what they did is "DUH".  There are a large variety of reasons why people buy products and they still should complain when they do not see something they like.  I am really tired of seeing people complain about complaining as if it is some sin when in fact it is a huge part of any customer/business relationship.  Who knows maybe people think the game is worth buying, even with the bugs, but still want them fixed?  I know shocking concept.  Or maybe they bought the game because they are loyal Bioware customers, you know the best kind Bioware wants, and end up upset when Bioware fails to live up to the standard they have set.  Can we stop with the extremely poor dismissive comments for every problem?  If you do not want to read them then I beg you to skip over those threads.

[LIKASOMBODEE]

Today I realized that alot of people I knew had downloaded torrents to Dragon Age. It cheered me up a little bit because Bioware doesn't deserve anyones money

[Monstrion]

Anyone defending the DLC system as it is now is ... well I dont want to call anyone stupid but... I too, some time ago when fallout 3 broken steel came out, though it is a good idea. It was relatively cheap, provided enough new content and was well integrated into the main game. Beats waiting another 3 years for a sequel, doesnt it?

Since then it went really downhill. We get less and less for more and more. Even fan mods are better than most DLC´s today and those are free. Only thing they are lacking are voice talents.

Developers and publishers scream every two seconds about piracy, about protecting their own rights. Ok, what about your customers, what about their rights? If you sell me something, I expect it to work. If it doesnt, your fault, you should work PRIMARILY on fixing your product and after its fixed, you can expand it. If your main product doesnt work, releasing new content is not the path you should take.

I know its propably the hardest part of programming. If you want to experience the frustration of fixing endless stream of code, all you need to do is pick up a programming language and few tutorials. Multiply by million and you get the feeling Bioware gets when looking at Awakening. But that is no excuse for the present state of things. Sadly, until there is a revolution in development methods, it wont change.

Or maybe we need magic.

[TurokDarkstar]

Monstrion wrote...

Anyone defending the DLC system as it is now is ... well I dont want to call anyone stupid but... I too, some time ago when fallout 3 broken steel came out, though it is a good idea. It was relatively cheap, provided enough new content and was well integrated into the main game. Beats waiting another 3 years for a sequel, doesnt it?

Since then it went really downhill. We get less and less for more and more. Even fan mods are better than most DLC´s today and those are free. Only thing they are lacking are voice talents.

Developers and publishers scream every two seconds about piracy, about protecting their own rights. Ok, what about your customers, what about their rights? If you sell me something, I expect it to work. If it doesnt, your fault, you should work PRIMARILY on fixing your product and after its fixed, you can expand it. If your main product doesnt work, releasing new content is not the path you should take.

I know its propably the hardest part of programming. If you want to experience the frustration of fixing endless stream of code, all you need to do is pick up a programming language and few tutorials. Multiply by million and you get the feeling Bioware gets when looking at Awakening. But that is no excuse for the present state of things. Sadly, until there is a revolution in development methods, it wont change.

Or maybe we need magic.

This. 

Excellent post man.

[aaniadyen]

TurokDarkstar wrote...

Monstrion wrote...

Anyone defending the DLC system as it is now is ... well I dont want to call anyone stupid but... I too, some time ago when fallout 3 broken steel came out, though it is a good idea. It was relatively cheap, provided enough new content and was well integrated into the main game. Beats waiting another 3 years for a sequel, doesnt it?

Since then it went really downhill. We get less and less for more and more. Even fan mods are better than most DLC´s today and those are free. Only thing they are lacking are voice talents.

Developers and publishers scream every two seconds about piracy, about protecting their own rights. Ok, what about your customers, what about their rights? If you sell me something, I expect it to work. If it doesnt, your fault, you should work PRIMARILY on fixing your product and after its fixed, you can expand it. If your main product doesnt work, releasing new content is not the path you should take.

I know its propably the hardest part of programming. If you want to experience the frustration of fixing endless stream of code, all you need to do is pick up a programming language and few tutorials. Multiply by million and you get the feeling Bioware gets when looking at Awakening. But that is no excuse for the present state of things. Sadly, until there is a revolution in development methods, it wont change.

Or maybe we need magic.

This. 

Excellent post man.

Problem: There's no money in it. EA will only support things that will make them money.

[BIOCOOPZ]

is 1.03 really that buggy ive not encountered 1 since ive installed it (except bugs that was there before) +its fixed the chars always getting stuck on rocks

[BIOCOOPZ]

Double post

Modifié par BIOCOOPZ, 01 juin 2010 - 02:30 .