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[Ekardt]

No offence robert, but your avatar has to be the ugliest thing ive seen in a very long time.

[Ingrimm22]

I have not played MMOs in a while since that genre has stagnated and may as well die, and I tend to not play FPSs online since I am not an overly competitive person; I prefer storylines to deathmatches.

While i share your gaming preferences i apologize to burst your bubble there, because, frankly, there's no diference between xbox-live community and pc-community when it comes to "maturity".

[Kermol]

there will always be a difference between the feel of a console version and a PC version. But the real question is if the developers can adapt that feel to the speciffics of the platform in question. BioWare sure as hell didn't screw with Mass Effect(I played both versions, and the interface was great in both of them), so if you can choose between a PC than can barely handle the game, and a 360 that WILL handle the game no matter what, then i'd go for the 360(even though I'm a PC gamer at heart). The 360 version might have slightly worse graphics than what you can get on a high end PC. But then you don't have one so from a totally cash oriented point of view, if oyu already own a 360 it'll simply be cheaper to that version instead of buying a new PC AND a PC version of the game.

[Adhin]

you know chances are the 'difference' in graphics is basically just high end FSAA, Resolution, and a high end atmospheric filtering when it comes to saying the high end PC's have 'better graphics'.



Models and textures are gonna be the same, they'll look almost identical minus the GUI unless you compare side by side. And a lot of people I know can't even tell the difference in a side by side comparison unless I directly point that kinda thing out in games.



Bioware has said before you can't tell the difference really with out a side by side comparison multiple times (pretty sure they mean to the general audience on that one).

[Mayo_20]

Thank you Ingrimm22. I'm definitely getting the 360 version now.

[H8Cr1me]

I have posted this before on similar threads, but I will post it here again because I like being a PC snob. The PC is truly the best way to play this game (or any game for that matter).

• Better controls (Keyboard + Mouse > Gamepad (but im sure you will have the option to use pad,. I sometimes use both my 360 pad to move and my mouse for my view and attacks, etc))
• Console versions won't have the tactical view that made the game feel more like Baldur's Gate. If you don't like the tactical view, well at least the PC has the option of both.
• Some battles in the console versions have been tweaked to use less enemies on screen but made the enemies tougher. I for one would rather have the capability of having more enemies on screen to make a an epic battle feel more "epic".
• Higher Resolutions ( 360 = 720, PS3 =1080, PC = Hell I can use TrippleHead2Go for 5040x1050!
• Better Framerates (with a modest PC)
• Crank up the Anti Aliasing, Aniso Filtering for better geometry edges and texture clarity from a distance further than 10' from your character. Draw distance is probably better too.
• the Toolset!
• Integrated mod community
• Don't have to pay for mod content that the console owners will have to pay for. We also get mod content as it comes down the pipe; console owners will have to wait until the dev's get around to it and are at the mercy of the dev's, with what they decide to give you. PC owners will also be able to test out mods and give feedback to help improve a mod. We will help shape the community and the mods that come of it. This is true of any game, not just DA.
• Mods put the replay value of every single game purchase through the roof.
• Instant access to the social network.
• Games are cheaper @ release and drop in price faster than console post-release.
• PC games have the benefit of infinite backward compatability. I can still play Baldur's Gate if I feel like it.
• Don't need game disks (if a game requires it) with a CD crack.
• I'm sure there will be many other goodies that will come for the PC that the consoles won't get (early release of the character creator anyone?)
• At the end of the day, you have a PC. It can do anything! TV, Movies, Internet....Porn!

Console owners, you can now say, "Well I can sit my fat ass on my couch and play on my 63" plasma." Well PC owners can too when they have a PC hooked up to their giant TV. We can still play the game with a wireless mouse & keyboard, or a gamepad if we so choose; and still have all the benefits stated above.

When you think about it, if you take the money you would have spent on a next-gen console and an HDTV. You could have one bad ass PC capable of running anything you can throw at it. If you are on a budget, you can get an old ass PC with a PCI-E slot, a decent Core 2 Duo processor, and 2GB ram on craigslist or ebay for around $300, toss in an 8800 GT for around $100, and you have a PC capable of running the game really well. For another $100 you can upgrade the graphics card to a GeForce GTX 260 and run the game maxed out.

Personally, I would rather build a PC from a Mini ATX case, than buy a console. Same small package, more power and flexibility. I also won't have to carry around games for portability, with CD cracks.

In my opinion, purchasing a 360 is pointless. PC ends up getting most of their exclusives because it is a M$ platform. With the exception of a couple of gems. Fable 2 would be nice. But PC will most likely get that later on down the line and it will probably be a better version than the console release; cheaper too. What we don't get, well, we'll get over it.

If you are going to buy any console, I would say the PS3 is the one. It has a nice BluRay player, some pretty awesome exclusives (Uncharted 2, Demon Souls, etc.) that the PC likely won't get (until someone creates a PS3 emulator, of course). Plus, the power and  resolution capabilities are higher than the 360.

PC > *

Modifié par H8Cr1me, 22 octobre 2009 - 09:58 .

[Arttis]

Well who would spend all their money on that stuff...I will admit the PC can be better but that really depends on you.

[H8Cr1me]

Arttis wrote...

Well who would spend all their money on that stuff...I will admit the PC can be better but that really depends on you.

On all WHAT stuff? An old PC and a graphics card? What is so hard about that? Did you not read the post? I am trying to convey the fact that the PC is ultimately a better buy.

Modifié par H8Cr1me, 22 octobre 2009 - 08:59 .

[oMonarca]

PC has a longer tail. If you're only interested in playing the latest releases, console might be a better and more economic option.

If you want the most from Dragon Age, then PC.

Modifié par oMonarca, 22 octobre 2009 - 11:38 .

[Ingrimm22]

H8Cr1me wrote...
In my opinion, purchasing a 360 is pointless. PC ends up getting most of their exclusives because it is a M$ platform. With the exception of a couple of gems. Fable 2 would be nice. But PC will most likely get that later on down the line and it will probably be a better version than the console release; cheaper too. What we don't get, well, we'll get over it.

If you are going to buy any console, I would say the PS3 is the one. It has a nice BluRay player, some pretty awesome exclusives (Uncharted 2, Demon Souls, etc.) that the PC likely won't get (until someone creates a PS3 emulator, of course). Plus, the power and  resolution capabilities are higher than the 360.

PC > *

Dude, seriously, there's no point in preaching, i have a PC with GTX 285, QuadCore, 4 GB RAM, Vista 64 bit and i think it's safe to say that i could play Dragon Age just fine with all settings maxed, but i still will play it on 360. My PC is in a different room than my HD-TV so putting the huge PC-Tower there or putting pipelines of cable through my house is out of the question. XBOX-Live is a safe and completely hassle-free enviroment where in can play this game while chatting with friends all over the world about the game while we play it simultanously, this is a lot of fun i didn't even mention before. Plus: I love the 360 controller (as opposed the the PS3 one) and i don't want to play a long game like Dragon age hunched over my keyboard the whole time.

And for recommending the PS3, sorry that's plain wrong. EVERY Multiplattform-Game like Dragon Age looked and/or performed worse on PS3 and i think it's safe to assume that Dragon Age won't be different in that regard. Worthwhile exclusive titles for the PS3 on the other hand are few and far between. I'm an avid gamer and until this day i couldn't find a reason to buy a PS3. The Online-Concept Sony has is practically non-existent, it's atrocious.

[H8Cr1me]

@ Ingrimm22
I am preaching because I feel like it. If you don't want to hear people's opinions then don't come to a forum. Especially one with "360 vs PC" in the title.

Hooking your console up to your TV: requires you to plug it into the wall, plug it into the TV, plug it into the internet, and plug in your controller(s). Hooking up a PC to your TV: requires you to plug it into a wall, plug it into the TV, plug it into the internet, and plug in a USB adapter for wireless mouse and keyboard and/or gamepad if you want (HDMI can carry your audio). No different than a console. No pipelines of cable. No need to "hunch" over a keyboard, you can use it while slouched on a couch. No need for a huge tower; build a PC out of a mini ATX case.

Don't forget PC has Games for Windows Live, and we don't have to pay for it. Nor would we, it is a horrible service by the way. We also have Ventrillo, Teamspeak, Steam, Skype, etc., without your average juvenile XBOX crowd 

PC > *

Modifié par H8Cr1me, 22 octobre 2009 - 06:32 .

[JTwizzy88]

Meh I'm with Ingrimm22 on this one. IMO the difference in quality between PC and XBOX360 (obviously PC is better) is not enough of a difference to warrant 1) the cost, 2) the hassle of setting up my computer to work with my t.v. / surround sound and 3) having to use a keyboard and mouse (which i use all day at work) instead of leaning back in my gaming chair and using a convenient controller.



Also, the developers are releasing download-able content which kinda makes the mod argument less persuasive because quite frankly developer mods > fan made mods.

[oMonarca]

Some people like to cook their own food, some don´t. No point preaching about which is best. It's a matter of taste.

PC = requires some knowledge and dedication to get the most of it.
Consoles = practical and comfortable, but also very rigid.

Modifié par oMonarca, 23 octobre 2009 - 11:18 .

[Wravburn]

Besides all the arguments, there is still a thing such as personal preference. I am saddened to see that people have a need to make condescending remarks about other people's choices.. are you THAT insecure?

[boe2]

So much hate, it's easy to see where that nickname comes from. (and why does your avatar look like evil Buu?)
If people want to play it on the 360, let them: It's already established that the graphics and controls will be more than fine on the 360. Implying that you should shell out extra money for pc upgrades just to play Dragon Age "because the pc is so awesome" is borderline retarded.

Modifié par boe2, 23 octobre 2009 - 12:31 .

[Sornin]

In my opinion, purchasing a 360 is pointless. PC ends up getting most of their exclusives because it is a M$ platform. With the exception of a couple of gems. Fable 2 would be nice. But PC will most likely get that later on down the line and it will probably be a better version than the console release; cheaper too. What we don't get, well, we'll get over it.

This is quite true. I would say that the bulk of Xbox-exclusives either come to the PC immediately or within a year or two (Halo, Mass Effect, Gears of War, etc.). However, the same thing does not happen with PlayStation-exclusives. For example, look at the recent contest between two fairly similar games that were both good - PROTOTYPE and inFAMOUS. You can get the former on PC as well as both consoles, but the latter is only on the PlayStation 3. One of the best action-adventure games in the past decade, Uncharted 2, is only on PS3, and it really is that flippin' good.

Of course, some titles never come to PC from Xbox, so you have to sometimes miss out. Fortunately (or unfortunately, maybe), I do not have enough time to play every good release, so I am fine with missing out on a couple of them. I really do not care that I might never play another Fable game again.

In general, if you are to choose two of three systems, the most efficient choice is indeed a PC and a PS3. You get the largest range of games at the highest quality with the most flexibility. If you were only able to choose one, however, the Xbox 360 is the best deal as by itself it has the best range with the lowest cost.

For those complaining, look at the name of the topic - if you do not want to hear opinions and debate because you are too sensitive to hear that you may be wrong, why read this? It simply boggles the mind. A forum is a place for open discussion, after all, and there are tons of useless topics like "Last one to post wins!" for those incapable of participating in rational debate.

[H8Cr1me]

@oMonarca: Congratulations sir, for making the only valid counterpoint to my argument. Yes, using a PC requires knowledge. If all you want to do is push the power button and move a stick to the giant letters that say "play" by all means, stick with a console (PS3 being the better choice). However, considering the fact that anyone reading my post has a computer and is knowledgeable enough to post on this forum, it stands to reason that they would have knowledge enough to install a game and play it on a PC.

@Wravburn: Any remarks I make in rebuttal to a response on my post address their inability to grasp my point and to point out that their counterpoint is invalid. Just as some people fail to grasp the concepts outline in my post, some also fail to grasp the concept of a "forum." A forum is intended for intelligent discussion and debate. It isn't always butterflies and rainbows. So put your super suit away, nobody needs saving here.

@boe2: Again, here is a perfect example of someone that both missed the point of my post, and can't grasp the concept of a forum. I am trying to point out that not only is a PC a far better platform, it can be just as, if not more, economical than a console. There is nobody to save here, hero.

@Sornin: I'm still winning! Rock on!

Modifié par H8Cr1me, 23 octobre 2009 - 06:06 .

[Mordor the Redguard]

I playing DA:O on my 360 for exactly that reason. My computer is still single core and running xp and I want to be embraced by DA:O so it is the 360 for me!

[JTwizzy88]

H8Cr1me wrote...

@oMonarca: Congratulations sir, for making the only valid counterpoint to my argument. Yes, using a PC requires knowledge. If all you want to do is push the power button and move a stick to the giant letters that say "play" by all means, stick with a console (PS3 being the better choice). However, considering the fact that anyone reading my post has a computer and is knowledgeable enough to post on this forum, it stands to reason that they would have knowledge enough to install a game and play it on a PC.

@boe2: Again, here is a perfect example of someone that both missed the point of my post, and can't grasp the concept of a forum. I am trying to point out that not only is a PC a far better platform, it can be just as, if not more, economical than a console. There is nobody to save here, hero.

Why does using a PC require more knowledge than a console? The game is more or less EXACTLY the same (sans the tactical view and obvious control schemes). 

Also, why in the world would you state that PS3 is a better choice than the xbox 360? I'm very curious about this statement.  Generally gameplay and graphical comparisons between the two have been very close but when it came down to the nitty gritty the 360 trumped by a narrow margin.  Personally I'd rate them equally in terms of performance.

Finally, you fail to show how a PC is more economical than a console.  I'll grant you that a PC (if suped up enough) is a superior machine, that much is obvious.  But there is almost no way I can purchase a PC for $300 that would grant me the quality I could get by purchasing an XBOX360.

[H8Cr1me]

*sigh*

[Highlen]

This syle of game is always best on pc.

Modifié par Highlen, 23 octobre 2009 - 11:04 .

[vyvexthorne]

I'll personally be buying it for both systems eventually.. PC is great for the mods.. I love mods.. I mod the heck out PC games. and I like mouse and keyboard style play.

Xbox is great for actually the lack of mods.. being a person who mods the heck out of pc games It's actually quite refreshing to sit down and play a game as it was originally intended to be played. (you could argue that I could do that on the computer but I have no willpower when it comes fiddling with files.) Xbox also for comfort.. nothing is more comfortable than the couch a blanket, hot chocolate, a big coffee table to lay all my books and notes and papers out on and a large t.v. with surround sound to game on. When I play on the computer I feel like a little hunched over gremlin clicking away in the dark corner of the room.

Xbox will have less bugs.. there's no community to fix things and they only have to worry about that one system.. Everybody's computer is somewhat different.. hence more bugs on pc.

I don't think one will be better than the other.. They will both be different experiences but the same game.

.. If your worried about your graphics.. get it on the xbox.. this will allow you to play the game and save money to upgrade your computer so you can get it on that later. Also there's the fact that it takes awhile for community based mods to even come out. And the really good mods won't come out for awhile.

If you yourself are a modder than you'll want to get it on PC first.



So I guess my suggestion is buy both.. One now, one later. The later game will also be cheaper as games tend to fall in price and used games become available.

[Drag0n-RD]

I'm a strict PC gamer but not for any other reason than that the keyboard and mouse is just simply the easiest, and most natural way to game for me.

For the 360 vs PC debate I would point you all to the Oblivion forums. While DA:O isn't the same style of modding as Oblivion is I think it's a safe bet that more than a few top-class projects will be made. That's not to say I mind the 360 version though, hell if I didn't adore KB&M as much as I do I'd save myself some money and game far more often on it than I do.

Personally seeing as BG1/2, IWD1/2, and the best RPG of all time (in my honest opinion) PST (only Bioware did BG if memory serves me) was a PC only game, it seems stupid to suggest it'll play any better on console. Anyone remember the talk of PS1 BG? yeah that's best left forgotten.  The style of game is just made for this Platform. Think of it this way console folk, when Final Fantasy 13 (?) comes out on both the Xbox 360 and PS3 which will you buy it for? strong chance it'll be the PS3 as thats its "home". As I said no problem with either version really, play on what ever you want to!

Modifié par Drag0n-RD, 23 octobre 2009 - 11:28 .

[Wravburn]

H8Cr1me wrote...

@Wravburn: Any remarks I make in rebuttal to a response on my post address their inability to grasp my point and to point out that their counterpoint is invalid. Just as some people fail to grasp the concepts outline in my post, some also fail to grasp the concept of a "forum." A forum is intended for intelligent discussion and debate. It isn't always butterflies and rainbows. So put your super suit away, nobody needs saving here.

 

Are ad hominem arguments what you call 'intelligent discussion and debate'? Using multiple syllables doesn't make your posts more intelligent.

As a sidenote: I do understand the nature of a forum, thank you very much. Have fun with your fantasy stories about me in a super suit, and watch out when you get off that high horse..

Modifié par Wravburn, 28 octobre 2009 - 04:28 .