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[pvpgirl]

kingjezza wrote...

 Ogren leading a band of drunks out of the inn was fun and Barkspawn, kinda neat as well.

Barkspawn is unoriginal. 
Taken from penny-arcade.com last November.

[frost.mage.mari]

It's not not the most amazing DLC i've played.. but then, what are you wanting? it's five dollars people.. the cost of a bag of chips and a 2L coke. Are you seriously telling me that they should give you a vast and expansive storyline for the same price you would pay for some afternoon snacks?



People honestly need to get some perspective on these things. Five dollars is not alot of money.. Seeing a movie costs more than what playing this cost you, and this is replayable if you want to play it again.

[fishx255]

frost.mage.mari wrote...

It's not not the most amazing DLC i've played.. but then, what are you wanting? it's five dollars people.. the cost of a bag of chips and a 2L coke. Are you seriously telling me that they should give you a vast and expansive storyline for the same price you would pay for some afternoon snacks?

People honestly need to get some perspective on these things. Five dollars is not alot of money.. Seeing a movie costs more than what playing this cost you, and this is replayable if you want to play it again.

If you compare the price of dlc to origins based on cost/hour then yes the dlc is overpriced. If you compare the price of dlc based on the amount of work that went into it compared to origins then yes dlc is overpriced. Who are you to tell someone else what is and is not alot of money.

[frost.mage.mari]

It's not alot of money though.. people drop five dollars on practically anything now-a-days, from confectionaries to a dvd rental to who knows what else. If five dollars is alot of money to you and you can't afford to spend it on something that may only give you an hours diversion, then you shouldn't be looking at any DLC in the first place, good or bad.

And just because you got so say.. 80 hours of playtime from a $50 game originally, does not mean that paying $5 is overpriced for an hour of entertainment. People are just so spoiled right now that everything should be handed to them on a silver platter because they put down some money nomatter how small.

Modifié par frost.mage.mari, 20 mai 2010 - 12:37 .

[Seibzz]

Thing is, overpriced or not (I don't have a problem with the price, yet I consider it to be too high for what they gave us), if we support such DLC, we're bound to see more coming.

I don't mind DLC as long as it brings something. Next to that, and yes for more money of course, we got RTO, warden keep, stone prisoner. 3 DLCs that, even without being innovative, were nicely built, brought some information/plot to the already existing world, dialogues, items etc etc.

TDC pales in comparison to these....

[sassperella]

frost.mage.mari wrote...

It's not not the most amazing DLC i've played.. but then, what are you wanting? it's five dollars people.. the cost of a bag of chips and a 2L coke. Are you seriously telling me that they should give you a vast and expansive storyline for the same price you would pay for some afternoon snacks?

People honestly need to get some perspective on these things. Five dollars is not alot of money.. Seeing a movie costs more than what playing this cost you, and this is replayable if you want to play it again.

I fully agree. I am not a Bioware fangirl and am happy to wade into the threads asking where our damn patches are and complaining about the quality of customer service etc. But all this 'well origins is only $50 for so many hours so if you divide that cost by the number of hours of dlc you've been overcharged' stuff is crap. You guys are forgetting that other games are much shorter some only a few hours, Origins is an exception not the rule for the amount of game play.

What you people are forgetting is
1. Origins was very good value for money, very very good value. How many games do you get last for that many hours and are as replayable - not many.
2. The cost is not just the content there are other things too such as the split with the retailer for expansions like awakenings and other overheads etc.

$5 is nothing, and if you don't want to spend that much on a dlc then don't buy it. Simple as that. You know from experience they last about an hour there's no excuse.

The dlc was OK, it was a bit of fun not the best but wasted an hour and a half. I'd give it a 7/10 mainly for Herren and a couple of fun moments beating up Morrigan and several other named people that deserved it

Modifié par sassperella, 20 mai 2010 - 01:52 .

[shadowc116]

frost.mage.mari wrote...

It's not not the most amazing DLC i've played.. but then, what are you wanting? it's five dollars people.. the cost of a bag of chips and a 2L coke. Are you seriously telling me that they should give you a vast and expansive storyline for the same price you would pay for some afternoon snacks?

People honestly need to get some perspective on these things. Five dollars is not alot of money.. Seeing a movie costs more than what playing this cost you, and this is replayable if you want to play it again.

The price is not the problem, like you said $5 is not much. But I am complainin about the content because its ALL combat. Bioware's strong suit is enteractive story telling, and this dlc had none of that nor did it bring anything new to the universe. I expected to atleast have interaction with our companions to see how they would be without our hero but no its just kill them all. People that are trying to defend dlc try to tell us "the dlc is cheap what did we expect?" but thats no excuse to make cruddy dlc

btw this is random but how in the world are people playin this dlc for more than 2 hours?! Ive played it twice and it took me 40 mins both times not a min more

[YooperLaw]

Meh, very dissapointing. It may have "only" been $5 but it sure doesn't have that Bioware quality I've grown accostomed to over the years. I don't think there was anything original in the game as everything seems to have been recycled. Essentially the original DA:O levels were changed with some props - mostly barriers - were added to kind of force your progress in a certain way.

I'll admit it was fun playing as the bad guys, killing the hero characters from the original game. Although really the only emotional moment would have been the final cutscene where Allistair is looking around and sees the corpses of Morrigan and Leliana just before he gets impaled; that hit me a little bit.

I also didn't like that my main character felt so ... weak. This is supposed to be the Darkspawn's Vanguard - cream of the crop - and it felt like I was barely scratching my enemies, even at the start. Even the Ogre seemed to go down insanely fast, but at least it was fun controlling him.

Overall, the negatives outweighed the positives here. People will say "compare this to a bag of chips and a Coke" or whatever, but I'd gladly pay extra for quality work. I don't mean to offend the team who worked on this, but as I said at the start, this is not the quality I expect from a Bioware product.

Modifié par YooperLaw, 20 mai 2010 - 02:57 .

[pvpgirl]

Yes, this was only 5$ and then that will only be 5$ and then the next one will only be 5$..and then you look at the list of dlc you've payed for and go wow...40$ on dlc...and I got maybe 3 hours of extra play and a few items that I tossed in a trunk out of it...I could've bought a whole frickin game for that!



And now I'm questioning why I still play this game?

[Vicious]

And now I'm questioning why I still play this game?

A strange sense of attachment to fictional characters.



Really, I have played DAO to death and am about to uninstall it. It was good but not great, and certainly not worthy of the die hard fans still here bemoaning the lack of patches/DLC.



I'm just sticking around to see the massive fanrage when DA2 information trickles down, and people learn that it is a new story mostly uninvolved with the adventures of the first.

[Zaros]

mcomommy wrote...

kingjezza wrote...

 Ogren leading a band of drunks out of the inn was fun and Barkspawn, kinda neat as well.

Barkspawn is unoriginal. 
Taken from penny-arcade.com last November.

It was probably meant as a nod to that comic. The guy who does Penny Arcade also did a lot of the artwork for Dragon Age.

[DragonRageGT]

Aw c'mon. What's wrong with a 5 bucks combat focused DLC? If they do all DLC the same it will bwe boring. TDC is a nice change for some funny moments. What did you expect? Darkspawn Romance? There used to be a video on YouTube where the guy changed the last ritual scene actors to 2 darkspawn but I can't seem to find the link. And all humans had big heads in the cutscenes. One of the funniest DA vid ever.

Oh yeah.. found it!

Dragon Age DLC Trailer (The Big Head Mod, Duncaspawn mod and more)

Now these features would be great in a real DLC but they would cost more than 5 bucks!

The Love scene is here:

Leliana sings Buffy (lipsynced) - Dragon Age (I'm serious, watch the end of this for the best DA love scene! After the first black screen)

Thanks FergusMacpherson for these awesome videos!

Modifié par RageGT, 20 mai 2010 - 03:44 .

[Vicious]

That youtube trailer is hilarious. Favorite is the SHAVE ALISTAIR'S BEARD IN REAL TIME! segment where Alistair gets a couple snips and then he goes - WOW!

[Uzzy]

So, no story or dialogue, and recycled areas? One and a half hours of hack and slash? Seriously, Bioware. I recommend you look at what makes you great, and do that again in regards to DLC.

[Domyk]

shadowc116 wrote...

LordJared88 wrote...

I loved it. I wish it was a bit longer and provided more insight into the dark spawn, but other than that it was great. I would have paid $7 or $8 for it.

And this is why game companies charge more money than what the content is worth. Game companies are seeing that gamers are willing to pay anything for any little extra content they can throw at us. I'm not bashing you since everyone has their own opinion, I just want to prove a point.

5 dollars?  So you will have to sacrifice your extra value meal consisting of a Big Mac, Fries and Coke this week.....

[robotnist]

i wasnt interested in this AT ALL from the very start. if it was free and still official bioware DLC i would never play it. its an insular DLC. it doesnt add to my play through of origins.



im not assuming that no one will like it and only my opinion matters because clearly there are folks here who are enjoying it.



but when there are NO PC patches, maybe only 1 actual piece of content that was developed POST launch, theres so much more bio could be doing to make some money.



i would pay $10 bucks to be able to use 50% of the new features in awakenings in origins.

i would rather see more content that makes subsequent origins play throughs more fun. i.e. new areas sewn into the main game, new skills, new gear...



i dont know, im disappointed.



am i the only one who would love awakenings unlocked and totally seamless within origins? if so, sorry for the rant.



but if i have to pick from previous DLC to have newer DLC modeled after, i would say soldier's peek/ return to ostagar (which i really enjoyed!!!)....



WAR- the buddhist whitey...

[robotnist]

PS- i cant believe how much i see people berating those of us who complain over paying 2-5 dollars for any content. its not about the cost, its about VALUE and principle!!!!



if i came to your house and stole a six pack of your favorite drink and someone told you, "no big deal, it was ONLY $5..." you would give a ****, PERIOD.

[Phonantiphon]

Played it. Loved it. Doesn't need dialogue, doesn't need story. It's a hack 'n' slash and all the more refreshing for it. Cost me about £3.50 or so. Value for money win. Good for speed runs good for a bit of a "Kill Everything That Moves" session.

It's great.

Some of you need to structure your expectations somewhat I think.

[Zaros]

RageGT wrote...

Dragon Age DLC Trailer (The Big Head Mod, Duncaspawn mod and more)

Words cannot describe how epic Duncanspawn would be...

There should be a Duncandemon too.

Modifié par Zaros, 20 mai 2010 - 06:50 .

[ZeRux]

My main objection is that it crashed the game to desktop several times. Once it happened two times in 10 minutes. This is unacceptable, not only that Bioware won't fix the game but they can't even release 1-2 hours long DLC without bugs.



Other than that, it was quite fun even though it has little replay value. I don't mind having static characters (it turns the game closer to RTS), having to kill civilians, party members and so on. All of those don't bother me like crashes. Also, the story from Alistair's perspective seems inconsistent and hastily written - I can't mention it all in non-spoiler section, but why Cauthrien and Howe were in the DLC but Loghain wasn't? Makes no sense.

[ijustwananame1]

I’ve got a quick opinion regarding canon…

Very little in this game can ever be canon. There are too many choices
for the developer to be overly concerned with canon.

The only way to ensure that the “canon” is observed is to write an
entirely new adventure, be that an expansion or DLC that, in no way, touches on the Origins story.

Cases in point:

Leliana DLC – No thanks, she died after I defiled the ashes / I did
/didn’t romance her.
Shale DLC – Ditto after the anvil
Zevran DLC – Left him for dead after he ambushed us / I did / didn’t
romance her.
Wynne DLC – Dead, never got out of the Tower.
Allistair DLC – Is / is not the
king / did / didn’t leave following the Landsmeet / I did / didn’t romance him.
Morrigan DLC – Had my kid / didn’t have my kid / left / didn’t leave /
did/didn’t romance her.
Sten DLC – Left him to rot in the cage.
Oghren DLC – I’m not even considering him … I’d never touch Oghren DLC.

And that’s SOME of the options regarding your party and leaving out all
the quest resolutions … Werewolves vs. elves, anvil vs. Branka, finding vs.
defiling the ashes, killing vs. saving Connor, Harrowmount vs. Behlen…. Etc.

How is it possible to create DLC that caters to every single action
that you might have taken?

What’s “canon” for you, might not be “canon” for others.

e.g. Morrigan has my god-baby. I’d buy her story as a piece of DLC in
the future (hypothetically). However, I’d rather stick hot pins in my eyes than buy Leliana DLC. Why? Two reasons … firstly, she annoys the hell out of me. Secondly, she’s dead in two of my playthroughs. I assume that there are people who feel the same way about Morrigan.

There is no cannon. … Actually, that’s a lie … there was a warden who
was recruited by a guy called Duncan, they went off to defend against a blight…

If a piece of DLC doesn’t respect “your” canon … don’t buy it.

Alternatively, it’s … you know … an RPG … live a little, play outside
of the box…
=

Regarding DC…

Played it, thought it was alright. Was it worth paying $5 for 2 hours? I
don’t know. Was it worth the price of a pint of beer? Yes.

I enjoyed controlling the ogre.

The enthrall system was interesting, in that it might be possible to
use it in future expansions… controlling a party larger than 4… and that’s
good.

Was disappointed that we didn’t get heart-wrenching cinematics when the
party died… I’d have liked to have creatively killed Leliana, that’s for sure.

Overall ….? It was ok. Not great, but ok. An entertaining 2 hours for
the price of a pint.

… Now considering doing a playthrough as a dual-wield warrior …. Blight
Blood + Starfang…. Hmmmm….

mcomommy wrote...

Barkspawn is unoriginal. 

Taken from penny-arcade.com last November.

Given that Penny-Arcade did a promotional tie-in with DA:O …I’m fairly certain that BW are aware of this and added it as a nod to the site.

[Vicious]

Very little in this game can ever be canon. There are too many choices

for the developer to be overly concerned with canon.

Very true. Some people seem to think this Dragon Age is medieval Mass Effect in terms of carrying over the story with every game.

[DragonRageGT]

Funny. I only had one crash on my first run thru it. None on the second. And I do get lots of crashes on Origins and Awakening.



I'll be repeating myself here but this DLC actually makes lots of sense into the Origins context, specially if one is as lucky as I was by not only having well over 1000 hours with the game but yet another new character just entering Lothering when I halted her run and started TDC.



Like someone commented on my vids of my first run in TDC, the concept alone of killing all those chars I've come to love deeply might seem sick and repulsive. BUT, in the "what if's" realm, what if it was just one of those Archdemon inspired nightmares all new Grey Wardens have?



I've not only enjoyed greatly the DLC - because it is a hell of a fun time to play controlling an Ogre, Shriek, Blighted Wolf, Emissary, Hurlock dual warriors, s/s, 2 handers, Genlock Archers, s/s and of course the Vanguard leader of them all and fighting those mighty defenders of Ferelden including its villains like Howe, Cullen, that Ser in Loghain's pocket but also Oghren's Drunk gang, punch them all in their faces with a mighty Ogre (and very weak on NM so the keep them all alive is very challenging, without potions that some of the darkspawn cannot use) - but I was deeply relieved when I went back to that new char that hadn't even met Leliana yet and it all seemed like a bad dream. And when I did meet those first companions-to-be in Lothering, it all made sense and it was like a fresh view on Origins again... after over 1,000 hours with this game.



And my new "Punch the **** out of Morrigan" video has a lot of potential, just like the "Slap the **** out of of Morrigan" by Fergus did! I love Morrigan but I really always wanted to do that and I never used the "slap Morrigan" mod.



Of course I want more DLC with story, deep dialogues, choices, more RP elements, etc. But as an analogy, the fact I'm a musician, love classical music and enjoy so much a good Philharmonic concert does not prevent me from loving good ol' rock'n'roll and have a hell of a time in an AC/DC concert.

[Liquidcz]

ijustwananame1 wrote...
Leliana DLC – No thanks, she died after I defiled the ashes / I did
/didn’t romance her.
Shale DLC – Ditto after the anvil
Zevran DLC – Left him for dead after he ambushed us / I did / didn’t
romance her.
Wynne DLC – Dead, never got out of the Tower.
Allistair DLC – Is / is not the
king / did / didn’t leave following the Landsmeet / I did / didn’t romance him.
Morrigan DLC – Had my kid / didn’t have my kid / left / didn’t leave /
did/didn’t romance her.
Sten DLC – Left him to rot in the cage.
Oghren DLC – I’m not even considering him … I’d never touch Oghren DLC.

While this might be true in theory, in practice every companion (or rather every LI at least) has enough fans to make up the sales. Die-hard haters, that kill a specific character every single playthrough, are a tiny minority of the playerbase, the rest can play the DLC/expansion/whatever with their different wardens.

[ijustwananame1]

Liquidcz wrote...
While this might be true in theory, in practice every companion (or rather every LI at least) has enough fans to make up the sales. Die-hard haters, that kill a specific character every single playthrough, are a tiny minority of the playerbase, the rest can play the DLC/expansion/whatever with their different wardens.

Right ... but then you're talking about 4 pieces of DLC that could possibly make cash.

You have people complaining about $5 prices. If the above were $5 a pop, how many of us would buy more than 1?

I'd bet that the for the DLC to make enough money to be viable they  would be based around the four romancables. And, even then, you're going to get the [insert name of choice here]-haters who wouldn't touch certain DLC with a ten-foot barge pole.

And then... what NPC do you go with first? Whoever comes last, there's going to as much flaming and trolling as for DC.

I doubt we'll see npc-based expansions. Which limits your options.