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[MaaZeus]

So, because you liked this movie after pirating it, that makes it ok?
Nonsense.

IMHO yes. Law might say differently but that doesnt mean it was morally wrong thing to do. In these matters copyright laws are so unrealistic as there are way too many variables. For example in his case the download (of crappy screener?) was profitable to the makers of the movie, because after that he wanted to watch it high quality in the cinema and later bought a bluray when available. No sales was lost, there was only gain.

This is pretty much same issue as downloading a game which you own already (broken or lost disc/discs perhaps), law is against it but in in real life that truly matters is it morally wrong for person to do so?

Now, pirating a high quality disc image of original DVD or Bluray, this is a wrong story. Definetly wrong in both law and moral POV.

Modifié par MaaZeus, 19 mai 2010 - 04:25 .

[Dethateer]

Rubbish Hero wrote...

Dethateer wrote... , they'd do like me and buy a game after downloading if they
like

Typical pirate excuse.

Typical elitist [insult pertaining to what Cracked likes making jokes about] way of ignoring a point.

Modifié par Dethateer, 19 mai 2010 - 05:17 .

[Stanley Woo]

Let's remember, please, that name-calling and insults are not permitted in the forums. We can disagree with each other without resorting to nastiness and childishness. Thank you.

[Dethateer]

My apologies.

[Tirigon]

Sand King wrote...

Put your self in there shoes. If Epic releases Gears 3 on pc people can play it for free, release it on the 360 they are going to make money. If people keep pirating games then developers are going to stop releasing games for pc.

Xbox 360 games are pirated too...................


As for the article: Whoever this company guy was, he has no idea of what he´s talking.

[Tirigon]

randumb vanguard wrote...

I may be a bit late but I don't mind pirates as long as they say "arrrr" and sing off tune.

Go check out Alestorm then. It´s an awesome, scottish Pirate Metal band.

[marbatico]

...formerly known as battleheart

[Tirigon]

Darth Jayder wrote...

If you didn't like it then whoever made the product loses money.

I don´t think so. From my experience, the games you pirate are either ones you wouldn´t have bought anyways, or ones you can´t get for some reason (for example because your state law forbids the game and therefore Steam locks it unless you manage to change your IP to a foreign one - happened in case of AvP 2010)

[MaaZeus]

Darth Jayder wrote...

MaaZeus wrote...

So, because you liked this movie after pirating it, that makes it ok?
Nonsense.

IMHO yes. Law might say differently but that doesnt mean it was morally wrong thing to do. In these matters copyright laws are so unrealistic as there are way too many variables. For example in his case the download (of crappy screener?) was profitable to the makers of the movie, because after that he wanted to watch it high quality in the cinema and later bought a bluray when available. No sales was lost, there was only gain.

This is pretty much same issue as downloading a game which you own already (broken or lost disc/discs perhaps), law is against it but in in real life that truly matters is it morally wrong for person to do so?

Now, pirating a high quality disc image of original DVD or Bluray, this is a wrong story. Definetly wrong in both law and moral POV.

But that only applies if you liked it.  If you didn't like it then whoever made the product loses money.  And although some do buy if they like it...I know lots who don't.  Once they have it a lot feel like what's the point of paying for it now.  I disagree with piracy however I do think that it should be easier to sample before buying.  Like in the case of music.  There is nothing worse than buying a crappy album because 1 song was good.

Also...I don't see the difference when you say:

Now, pirating a high quality disc image of original DVD or Bluray, this is a wrong story. Definetly wrong in both law and moral POV.

Just because the quality is better?

I meant that downloading high quality disc image just to get it for free and not wanting to pay a single penny of it. You know, like pirating the game because you want it for free. Quality is technically meaningless, yes, I only just used it to make my point more clear. Apparently I failed.


And you are correct, if the movie was crap then developers lost the ticket money. But then again cynical side of me says that is it necessarily a bad thing? Considering the garbage hollywood puts out nowadays... I dont want to walk out of the theatre with dissapointed feeling (Max Payne movie, I'm looking at you)

[Tirigon]

MaaZeus wrote...

And you are correct, if the movie was crap then developers lost the ticket money. But then again cynical side of me says that is it necessarily a bad thing? Considering the garbage hollywood puts out nowadays... I dont want to walk out of the theatre with dissapointed feeling (Max Payne movie, I'm looking at you)

Yea, this. A developer SHOULD loose money if they´re only making crap. Hopefully enough people start thinking like that to get EA out of business......

[Dethateer]

Darth Jayder wrote...
I am going to generalize here but I think people are inherently cheap and unless their conscience overcomes that or their fear of breaking the law does they will try to get things free if they can.  If you wouldn't have bought it anyways why pirate it then?  If you are pirating it is because you want something but don't want to pay for it.  And if you aren't paying for it then those who made the product are losing money.

Or, or, or, a shocking thought! People who download actually buy later because they think whomever made what they like deserves the money.

[Dethateer]

No, they don't. Same point as with Hero up there. If those people couldn't pirate, they'd move on to other games, they wouldn't buy just because they can't get for free.

[Tirigon]

Dethateer wrote...

Darth Jayder wrote...
I am going to generalize here but I think people are inherently cheap and unless their conscience overcomes that or their fear of breaking the law does they will try to get things free if they can.  If you wouldn't have bought it anyways why pirate it then?  If you are pirating it is because you want something but don't want to pay for it.  And if you aren't paying for it then those who made the product are losing money.

Or, or, or, a shocking thought! People who download actually buy later because they think whomever made what they like deserves the money.

Or people get told by friends to play [insert game here] because "It´s f*cking awesome and it rockzzz!!! Here are links!" and you try it out of sheer boredom and then realize your taste differs because it´s crap.

[Outamyhead]

Darth Jayder wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

MaaZeus wrote...

And you are correct, if the movie was crap then developers lost the ticket money. But then again cynical side of me says that is it necessarily a bad thing? Considering the garbage hollywood puts out nowadays... I dont want to walk out of the theatre with dissapointed feeling (Max Payne movie, I'm looking at you)

Yea, this. A developer SHOULD loose money if they´re only making crap. Hopefully enough people start thinking like that to get EA out of business......

Umm no.  What is crap to some is gold to others.  It is a matter of opinion and taste.  Of course this is a generalization but if you suspect something is crap then don't buy it.  Problem solved.

Or to make life easier and the pirates less likely to download a cracked game, provide a demo, there was a 360 demo of SC conviction, not a sausage for the PC, I'm sure as heck not buying a 360 for the sake of a demo that could play like a drunkard at the wheel of an oil tanker on another platform.

Piracy was almost non existent in the late 90's early 2000's compared to now (for games anyway, software is a different kettle of fish), due mainly to just about every title hitting the shelves would provide a demo a month or three prior to launch, anyone that didn't bring out a demo...you could be certain it was a crap game.

[Dethateer]

Darth Jayder wrote...

Dethateer wrote...

No, they don't. Same point as with Hero up there. If those people couldn't pirate, they'd move on to other games, they wouldn't buy just because they can't get for free.

Bullcrap.  I am not talking about people who can't pirate.  i am talking about people who do and don't pay for them after the fact.  It happens more than you are admitting unless you truly believe absolutely everyone who pirates eventually pays for what they just priated.  And you can't possibly know that everyone who can't pirate a certain product won't go and buy it.  Truth is most pirate for things they simply don't want to pay for period.  And it is likely the minority that actually goes out and buys what they already have.

Sir... *ahem*, you missed my point. Read again what I posted.

[Dethateer]

No. My point was that

a)Some people buy games they like after downloading

and

b)Those who never buy (and there's plenty of those, at least around me), and who aren't really lost sales since reventing them (i.e. THIS group) from illegally playing a game wouldn't make them buy it, it would just make them turn to other forms of entertainment.