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Another Shot Across the Bow of PC Pirates....arghh!

Débuté par Wicked 702 , mai 19 2010 01:51

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#151
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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 06:58

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Sort of related to piracy, what about people who only rent/borrow games, or buy games used?



Supposedly that is more damaging to game developers and publishers then pirating.

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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 07:03

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chiliztri wrote...

Sort of related to piracy, what about people who only rent/borrow games, or buy games used?

Supposedly that is more damaging to game developers and publishers then pirating.

I don't buy that.  As I understand it.  The rights to rent a product are paid for by the rental agencies to the developers and a certain portion of the rental fee also gets sent as a royalty percentage.  I can see buying used games as being a problem and isn't that why EA and others are doing their DLC with Cerberus Network ideas etc.

#153
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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 07:13

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Darth Jayder wrote...


I don't buy that.  As I understand it.  The rights to rent a product are paid for by the rental agencies to the developers and a certain portion of the rental fee also gets sent as a royalty percentage.  I can see buying used games as being a problem and isn't that why EA and others are doing their DLC with Cerberus Network ideas etc.



That just shows how greedy the company´s are. If you bought a game it´s yours and they can´t fobid you to sell it again............

#154
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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 07:14

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Technically, no, a game is never yours... one word: EULA.

Modifié par Dethateer, 19 mai 2010 - 07:14 .

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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 07:16

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Tirigon wrote...

Darth Jayder wrote...


I don't buy that.  As I understand it.  The rights to rent a product are paid for by the rental agencies to the developers and a certain portion of the rental fee also gets sent as a royalty percentage.  I can see buying used games as being a problem and isn't that why EA and others are doing their DLC with Cerberus Network ideas etc.



That just shows how greedy the company´s are. If you bought a game it´s yours and they can´t fobid you to sell it again............

You'll get no argument from me about reselling games and buying used games.  That should totally be allowed. 

#156
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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 07:21

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Reselling loses companies money, y'know.

#157
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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 07:28

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Dethateer wrote...

Reselling loses companies money, y'know.



How so?  It only does if you re"sell" pirated copies......

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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 07:29

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Dethateer wrote...

Reselling loses companies money, y'know.

True but they are products that have already been paid for and the primary sale made them their allotted revenue.  Pirates get them for free from the get go and no money goes to the company.

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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 07:29

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Well, does the company make any money when the person who buys from you pays you? Company still loses a sale, since they could have sold that person a brand-new copy and gotten money for it.

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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 07:34

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Dethateer wrote...

Well, does the company make any money when the person who buys from you pays you? Company still loses a sale, since they could have sold that person a brand-new copy and gotten money for it.

I can't argue with that but it is a different issue and not piracy related.  Almost all products once sold can be resold to a third party without the maker getting money for the subsequent sale.  The point is that the first sale of that item made the company money as set up by the system that is currently in place.  To make money on subsequent sales would be double dipping so to speak and I don't see how that would work.

#161
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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 07:41

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Let me ask you a question: as far as the companies are concerned, the second buyer has an illegal copy, since its acquisition didn't bring them any profits, correct?
Please take note of the fact that the EULA expressely (sp?) prohibits the resale of software.

Modifié par Dethateer, 19 mai 2010 - 07:50 .

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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 07:50

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No. The product as I understand has been sold. They no longer "own" it. It's not like leasing a car or anything. You paid for it. The company gets the alloted revenue for it. What you do with it afterwards is not their concern. The only illegal thing would be if you copied it and sold copies or sold it for a higher price than you paid for it.

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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 07:52

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*sigh*
You do NOT own software. Read an EULA. You only own a license to use it for as long as the dev (or publisher, can't remember exactly) wants you to. They have the right to, at any time of their choosing, with no prior notice, demand that you stop any and all use of the software and destroy your copy. And you're forced by law to obey. You are not allowed to sell either your license, nor your copy of the software without the express permission of the publisher.

Modifié par Dethateer, 19 mai 2010 - 07:55 .

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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 07:55

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Dethateer wrote...

*sigh*
You do NOT own software. Read an EULA. You only own a license to use it for as long as the dev (or publisher, can't remember exactly) wants you to. They have the right to, at any time of their choosing, with no prior notice, demand that you stop any and all use of the software and destroy your copy. And you're forced by law to obey.

That may be.  However until they order said destruction, it is fully legal to sell it to someone else for less than you paid for it and the company is not entitled to any revenue.  That license has already been paid for and unless you sign a contract saying you will not sell it and you are going to be the sole user, they can't say **** about it.

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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 07:56

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You DO sign a contract saying that. It's the EULA I keep rambling about. It prohibits any and all financial use of both the product and your license. Pretty sure it's non-transferrable (as in, giving it away for free) as well, but don't quote me on that.

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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 07:59

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It is not financial use to resell it for less than you bought it. It is to copy it and sell it or to sell it for more. The license has been paid for and no contract has been signed. You agree to their terms upon purchase however reselling it in this manner does not violate those terms.

#167
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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 08:05

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Mr Woo, could you please tell me if the license is transferable or not?

#168
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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 08:08

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Dethateer wrote...

*sigh*
You do NOT own software. Read an EULA. You only own a license to use it for as long as the dev (or publisher, can't remember exactly) wants you to. They have the right to, at any time of their choosing, with no prior notice, demand that you stop any and all use of the software and destroy your copy. And you're forced by law to obey. You are not allowed to sell either your license, nor your copy of the software without the express permission of the publisher.



And this is precisely why I don´t think piracy is morally wrong.

#169
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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 08:12

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In many countries, (I think in USA too, atleast some states) EULA IS NOT LEGALLY BINDING! To be legally binding it must be available to read before opening the package and before purchase. Clicking forward in the installing program is not same as signing something, not good enough to be valid.

This obviously does not make piracy OK (to stay on topic) as that is covered by the copyright laws, but power over selling used games EULA has no legal binding.

Modifié par MaaZeus, 19 mai 2010 - 08:13 .

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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 08:13

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MaaZeus wrote...

In many countries, (I think in USA too, atleast some states) EULA IS NOT LEGALLY BINDING! To be legally binding it must be available to read before opening the package and before purchase. Clicking forward in the installing program is not good enough.

This obviously does not make piracy OK (to stay on topic) as that is covered by the copyright laws, but legal power over selling used games EULA is not binding.

Also this.  Many contracts don't hold up in court especially ones that are not physically signed and witnessed.

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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 08:16

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Tirigon wrote...

Dethateer wrote...

*sigh*
You do NOT own software. Read an EULA. You only own a license to use it for as long as the dev (or publisher, can't remember exactly) wants you to. They have the right to, at any time of their choosing, with no prior notice, demand that you stop any and all use of the software and destroy your copy. And you're forced by law to obey. You are not allowed to sell either your license, nor your copy of the software without the express permission of the publisher.



And this is precisely why I don´t think piracy is morally wrong.

So your argument is that piracy is okay because you disagree with the contract you agree to upon purchase of the item?  That's like saying I disagree that this bubblegum is worth a certain price so it is morally okay for me to steal it.

#172
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Posté 19 mai 2010 - 08:37

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And we're done here.



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